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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: nozza_uk on March 19, 2024, 03:06:24 PM
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The official trailer is out for the new series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtytYWhg2mc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtytYWhg2mc)
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You just beat me to it lol
Looks good 8)
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You just beat me to it lol
Looks good 8)
So when can we expect the first bit of scenery from you? lol
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lol
June 5th?
lol
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lol
Looking forward to it. ;D
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This looks like it could be interesting! I’ll be sure to check it out, hope this is an Andor, and not another Obi-wan lol
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June 5th?
Not May the fourth ? :D
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Not a massive amount to go on but looks ok so far...looks like it might be set a while before the movies (not heard anything about it).
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There is already a Wikipedia page about it - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Acolyte_(TV_series), although it doesn't add much.
Hopefully there will be more details supplied in the next couple of months.
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Intruiging, but something I can't put my finger on is making me feel off towards this one. I hope I'm wrong and it's the quality of Mando.
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All the details I could find out.
• Set 100 years before 'The Phantom Menace'
• Didn't use The Volume VFX at all during filming
• Narratively similar to Andor
• 8 episodes
• Episodes around 30 min
• Pitched as a multi-season show
• Incorporates EU / Legends lore
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All the details I could find out.
• Set 100 years before 'The Phantom Menace'
• Didn't use The Volume VFX at all during filming
• Narratively similar to Andor
• 8 episodes
• Episodes around 30 min
• Pitched as a multi-season show
• Incorporates EU / Legends lore
Well all of that sounds promising to me! I’m cautiously excited about this one :D
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Also, we've got Star Wars: Skeleton Crew due out this year as well.
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Yet to see any of the TV series but I just checked and the total episodes for all of them combined exceeds 600. That is a lot of TV. That includes the animated ones, about half. Like the movies, not sure I want to delve too deep into the TV stuff. And I wonder, where is the saturation point of diminishing returns.
If I were to watch some of the live action, which series best represents the movies in quality of content, especially the original trilogy?
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And I wonder, where is the saturation point of diminishing returns.
My thoughts too. Out of all of the new stuff, the only series I was really keen on was Andor.
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Is this based on any books/comics/games?
Always interested in anything Star Wars.
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Flaming is already well underway, with even the Critical Drinker taking pot shots avant la lettre. But as usual he raises some valid points, so I have but middling hopes. I'll probably watch it, because: Star Wars, but I don't have any hopes for another Andor...
...If I were to watch some of the live action, which series best represents the movies in quality of content, especially the original trilogy.
Well, IMHO Andor is by far the best in terms of storytelling. It's a lot darker than the original trilogy though. But very good.
Something lighter, and more swashbuckling would be The Mandalorian, especially the first couple of seasons. It drops off a tad towards the end of the series, but it's still fun to watch.
The rest is certainly not bad, but less captivating than the two I mentioned. So I'd recommend starting with those two :)
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Is this based on any books/comics/games?
Always interested in anything Star Wars.
It's set around 100 years before Phantom Menace and right after the High Republic era of which there are several books and comics now. It's not from anything already written as far as I'm aware, just based in the period. It will probably have some characters from the High Republic but I haven't looked into/read any of that yet so I don't know for sure.
Flaming is already well underway,
Haters gonna hate no matter what. Load of hot air.
Most of them need this :D
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/62/2619-220324131538-621601419.jpeg)
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All the details I could find out.
• Set 100 years before 'The Phantom Menace'
• Didn't use The Volume VFX at all during filming
• Narratively similar to Andor
• 8 episodes
• Episodes around 30 min
• Pitched as a multi-season show
• Incorporates EU / Legends lore
Cool, thanks. Sounds good to me so far.
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Flaming is already well underway, with even the Critical Drinker taking pot shots avant la lettre. But as usual he raises some valid points, so I have but middling hopes. I'll probably watch it, because: Star Wars, but I don't have any hopes for another Andor...
Well, IMHO Andor is by far the best in terms of storytelling. It's a lot darker than the original trilogy though. But very good.
Something lighter, and more swashbuckling would be The Mandalorian, especially the first couple of seasons. It drops off a tad towards the end of the series, but it's still fun to watch.
The rest is certainly not bad, but less captivating than the two I mentioned. So I'd recommend starting with those two :)
I have not seen Andor, but season 1 and 2 of the Mandalorian are spot on for capturing the feel of the original films.
Bobba Fett was underwhelming, and Obi Wan was not good other than a few scenes of Vader curb stomping some folks.
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That's what I do like about the more recent stuff with Vader.
In the originals, he was feared. Watching them now, I think ... why? He's slow, etc.
Then, Rogue One shows him dismantling half a crew. Obi-Wan just showed him to be absolutely merciless. I really like the way they've turned Vader into the R-Rated murderer they hinted at in the first movies.
Also, Andor is the best Rogue One-esque of the shows. I'd put it up as a great show, not just a great Star Wars show.
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Just bringing this back to the top of the list, as it starts on Wednesday ;D
I don't know if anyone else is seeing this, but Disney+ has dropped run times for episodic shows just now, which is a major pain in the bum >:(
Anyone have any idea what length these episodes are going to be?
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From ComicBookMovie.
Episode 1: 41 minutes. Episode 2: 36 minutes. Episode 3: 42 minutes. Episode 4: 32 minutes
Just the first four episodes for now as they were previewed (and well received) this weekend.
I'm looking forward to it :)
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This has been an interesting thread. Most Star Wars fans I know are going to hate watch this.
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From ComicBookMovie.
Episode 1: 41 minutes. Episode 2: 36 minutes. Episode 3: 42 minutes. Episode 4: 32 minutes
Thanks Oshiro. The Disney+ app has a shiny new startup sequence, but apparently that meant sacrificing actual useful information :-[ Streaming shows tend to vary with their timings as well - as the list you posted shows, so it is nice to know before sitting down to watch.
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I have Disney+ but this show doesn't even come up to be able to watch. Is it not available in Canada? That happened with Marvel Studios Echo as well. If this continues I'll be dropping this streaming series very soon as well. Ads on Netflix, Amazon, etc. No thanks, I'm not interested in paying more to not see ads. These platforms were getting ridiculous in price as well. This will be the final straw. CBS canceled over half the shows my wife and I enjoy, citing they were too expensive. Cable is on the edge of being canceled in our home as well.
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definitely seems to be - https://mobilesyrup.com/2024/05/23/disney-plus-canada-new-content-june-2024/
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Thanks @zemjw. So release is tomorrow in Canada.
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I enjoyed that :)
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I enjoyed that :)
Me too. It’s easy to watch, not taxing on the brain, I nice way to spend an hour or so.
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An average show, a lot of cheap martial arts instead of lightsaber duels. Disney seems to save money in production. Story is ok. Hope the next will be getting better.
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I enjoyed it, looking forward to seeing how it develops
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I quite enjoyed seeing the Jedi fighting without her sabre, made her look more protective than we've previously seen.
Enjoyed the show overall, but the non-twist was a bit obvious.
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Feels like The Matrix meets Star Wars.
Disappointed that Carrie-Anne Moss got bumped off.
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Might want to change the title to include spoilers ;)
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I hope Jacky Chan is in the next episode ;)
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I hope Jacky Chan is in the next episode ;)
No, he gets killed. :?
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No, he gets killed. :?
No! Jacky is bigger than Chuck Norris. No one can kill him
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It looks very nice, but the story and the dialogue are a tad lame.
It needs a touch of Filoni/Favreau seasoning
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I think it will be like Ahsoka, better watched in one or two goes rather than week by week (at least I found that with Ahsoka).
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It looks very nice, but the story and the dialogue are a tad lame.
It needs a touch of Filoni/Favreau seasoning
This.
The start was...ok...hoping it warms up a bit...for now I'm spending more time looking at the set dressing which was less wooden than some of the acting.
Not sure who the lady with the green face is, but she has less acting range than the Yoda puppet they used in Empire Strikes Back :?
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"Not sure who the lady with the green face is, but she has less acting range than the Yoda puppet they used in Empire Strikes Back."
Yup. Her action figure doesn't have any points of articulation. Just a 2D plastic standee.
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Underwhelmed at the first two episodes, but I'll give it a second look in the hopes it takes off and goes somewhere. Not holding my breath tho.
Only reason I re-upped my Disney+ subscription was the upcoming Daredevil, so anything extra is gravy.
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Not sure who the lady with the green face is, but she has less acting range than the Yoda puppet they used in Empire Strikes Back :?
lol
Old fashioned Hollywood casting couch hire updated for a modern audience :-X
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I've noticed this with Star Trek: Brave New Worlds' Vulcans as well. People seem to equate living a life in control of your emotions as talking in a flat monotone.
I would like to think that if I was connected to the Universe, I would be happy and at peace, not dead inside and wondering what the point is of getting up in the morning ??? I don't remember the Shaolin Monks in Kung Fu wandering around like robots. No idea why it's been adopted in today's shows.
I made the mistake of typing "acolyte review" into YouTube. It has not been well received. Sadly the headline were various levels of clickbait and I didn't dig in, but the best (excluding the racist and homophobic titles, which was about 90% of them) said it was okay.
Apparently episode 3 is going to break Star Wars, and, if it's on the Internet, it must be true ::)
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I just realised this is starting to drift away from LAF "values" a bit, so to bring it back to gaming - has anyone noticed any decent tech in the series?
The stunner thing looked like a can of Pringles, although it could probably be represented by any GW oversized pistol o_o
The ships are okay, but they seem, in general, to be equating old with "square and clunky". There's nothing really jumping out at me droid-wise either, although the guard droid thing on the temple door could be fun to add.
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I like Pip, the modular droid multi-tool. I think that's a really clever design and a practical bit of kit for an itinerant "meknek".
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I enjoyed the two eppisodes so far.
I am wrapping my head around the timelines in terms of knowing what to call this. Rogue one is a prequel, but between the prequel trilogy and the original trilogy so its a sort of pre-.5-quel. Same with Obi Wan I guess. This series is a prequel of the prequel trilogy...
Anyway, if this show was, say, on TV back in the 90's or early 2000's I think folks would be a tad more accomodating of less than movie levels of acting.
Mando gave various relatively young and less experienced directors a go.
For me it's about being able to enjoy it. I like the plot so far. It doesn't need to be movie level heavy for me. I just need to see the universe and tangible stories being played out within that setting.
The tech; love the pip-droid, I also love the nod at going fully automated by droid can be dangerous/risky.
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I've seen the two available episodes this weekend, and I must say that I absolutely found myself entertained. Not everything needs to be Oscar/Emmy winning stuff to be enjoyable.
The meditating monk and his deeply seated feelings of guilt was pretty fascinating, and made me curious about what actually transpired to warrant such an overwhelming need for absolution in the first place.
With this storyline taking place about 100 years before the rise of the Empire, I could see Darth Plagueis (the Wise) making an appearance, making this a possible sort of origin story for Palpatine or his master.
After all, at the start of the Empire era, Palpatine was already well into his sixties, so Plagueis was certainly alive during the era of this series...
I'm actually looking forward to the next episode :)
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I enjoyed it, but where's Yoda? Surely he'd be knocking around the Jedi Temple somewhere...
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I enjoyed it, but where's Yoda? Surely he'd be knocking around the Jedi Temple somewhere...
I'm sure it's a Deadpool situation; not enough funds to show off the big names, so all you see in the big house are some B-listers (and always the same ones too ;D ). I'm certain that when if the show takes off, there will be a cameo or two... :D
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it's an odd watch. The Jedi as portrayed are not interesting to watch, as pointed out, they are a bit monotone and dull. It feels more like a fan film. too much martial arts rather than anything Jedi like, although they need to get that guy who redid the Death Star Vader ObiWan duel and visit all of the original trilogy for an update - the original fights are so static.
Sending the ship to the arrest/ambush seemed a bit overkill and I thought the stun gun was repainted Nerf at first.
EDIT: oh and I expect we'll get a flashback episode to show what they supposedly did, so we'll hopefully get more Carrie Anne Moss.
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I enjoyed the two eppisodes so far.
I am wrapping my head around the timelines in terms of knowing what to call this. Rogue one is a prequel, but between the prequel trilogy and the original trilogy so its a sort of pre-.5-quel. Same with Obi Wan I guess. This series is a prequel of the prequel trilogy...
Anyway, if this show was, say, on TV back in the 90's or early 2000's I think folks would be a tad more accomodating of less than movie levels of acting.
Mando gave various relatively young and less experienced directors a go.
For me it's about being able to enjoy it. I like the plot so far. It doesn't need to be movie level heavy for me. I just need to see the universe and tangible stories being played out within that setting.
The tech; love the pip-droid, I also love the nod at going fully automated by droid can be dangerous/risky.
No need to overthink it. This series is set around 100 years before the prequels.
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Oh dear.
I really wanted to like it but, gods, it's poor.
SW, recently imo, has been at is best when the 'magic' is minimal (Rogue 1 and Andor) and at its worst when to the fore.
Plus it is a veritable petrified forest of woodeness. Especially the youngsters.
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Yes, not overly keen on this episode although I did like the temple design.
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...it is a veritable petrified forest of woodeness. Especially the youngsters.
I kind of agree, but there's still a not-zero percent chance that this was intentional.
After all, there's been talk many times of the Jedi temple having lost its way, turning inwards, becoming conservative and stagnant. And this ultimately lead to the Jedi temple's downfall.
At least; that's how I prefer to look at it for now ;)
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'The power of one, the power of two, the power of maneeeeeee.'
Oh dear oh dear, shoot me now.
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Just watched the third episode and overall I quite liked it. It was good to see some non Jedi / Sith Force users though the term Witch did make me think of Night Sisters. Plus the power of many thing was obviously rubbish as they all died...it felt a bit hippy-dippy and gave nothing to the episode.
What might have been interesting, I think, is to have started with this setting in the first episode establishing a settlement of 'other' force users who sound reasonable and make them endearing...then reveal that members of a child-snatching cult are abroad, hide the children etc...then they are revealed to be Jedi at the end of the episode.
As it is I assume the Jedi killed the Witches and Mae's master is taking advantage of her pain etc.
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I assume the Jedi killed the Witches and Mae's master is taking advantage of her pain etc.
Actually I can now reveal that the witches died of embarrassment, at that godawful song...
'The power of one, the power of two, the power of maneeeeeee.'
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'The power of one, the power of two, the power of maneeeeeee.'
Even Orks can count 50% higher than that ::)
Not sure what happened, and I struggled to care. Not sure how a large bunch of force users died, but I doubt it was the Jedi(*). I suspect "the master" type figure will be revealed to be the culprit, at which point the twins will reconcile and defeat him.
(*) although that would sort-of explain why the hovering Jedi was consumed by shame
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there was a song? everyone is mentioning a song, did I blank out a song?
that Finnish chap, as lovely as I'm sure he is, just isn't tall enough for Wookies.
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I kind of agree, but there's still a not-zero percent chance that this was intentional.
After all, there's been talk many times of the Jedi temple having lost its way, turning inwards, becoming conservative and stagnant. And this ultimately lead to the Jedi temple's downfall.
At least; that's how I prefer to look at it for now ;)
Sorry man, but how an institution has become inward-looking, conservative, and stagnant is best portrayed effectively through subtle and nuanced acting and dialogue. This isn't that. lol
(I admit, much as I loved SW in my 1980s youth, I'm not such a fan that the world-building/eye candy outweighs poor acting/plot/script, but I don't want to take anything away from folk who are bigger fans than me).
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Got to say that I don't feel a connection to the show yet. If I'm asked, I'll say it's alright. Hopefully it will grow on me.
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So far I'm enjoying the scenery, outfits of non jedi, machinery, droids etc etc as ideas for star wars games. The storyline, so far is meh. The acting and writing is pretty awful. I've not found it as bad as the Tattoine '60's mod scooters look' in terms of really jarring and out of place (they ruined boba fett for me, totally not needed and out of style in every sense). I'm a star wars slut though and will lap it all up - even the shitty prequels and the terrible bits of episodes 7-9. More Andor and Mandalorian please, less of the other crap.
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Actually I can now reveal that the witches died of embarrassment, at that godawful song...
Sy Snootles and the Max Rebo Band want a word...
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At least it's better than Kenobi... :-I
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'The power of one, the power of two, the power of maneeeeeee.'
Oh dear oh dear, shoot me now.
That was the death-knell for me.
And to think someone got paid to write that. And someone who gets paid more, said, 'yeah. go with that.'
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At least it's better than Kenobi... :-I
That was not a high bar to start with.
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That was the death-knell for me.
And to think someone got paid to write that. And someone who gets paid more, said, 'yeah. go with that.'
I hate sand
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So...Episode 4...
Well it was better than Ep 3... but then literally anything would be. At least there was no singing this time.
I'm going to be disappointed though if the green lady isn't the baddie in the mask, as they have the same lack of facial expressions...
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Got to say that Episode 4 is the first episode that has left me wanting more, although I'm not warming to the characters.
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Episode 4 was something like 35 minutes, a huge chunk of which seemed to be credits. The rest seemed to be filler, just to get to the cliff-hanger :-[
I was actually enjoying it, but it felt like it could have included the fight without running too long, so seemed a bit contrived timing-wise.
Still, better than episode 3 (although, as noted, that wasn't difficult). The limited number of droids during this time period was unexpected, and suggests a lot happened in the intervening 100 years, when droids are everywhere.
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Mae needs to ask herself if she's seen her helper and her master in the same room at the same time...
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Shame the wookie died without really doing anything, I would’ve liked to have seen him kick some arse lol
Still warm about this and would like some more pew pew pew but happy to wait until it’s complete and either binge it or not bother.
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Mae needs to ask herself if she's seen her helper and her master in the same room at the same time...
Ooh, wiley... :D
It's not excellent watching, but I do find it entertaining enough to start ignoring the avalanche of hate-reactions on Youtube that seem to be all the rage these days. You can be critical, but Star Wars film and series writing has never been award winning. Not even the original trilogy (I know; *gasp*) and this basically still is a TV-series after all. A TV-series just like Knightrider for instance...
So while this particular storyline has me kind of meh, I'm still enjoying some more Star Wars :)
I do hope they will reveal that those 4 jedi slaughtered the entire coven, which will turn Osha away from them for good, or even into the arms of the Sith. Now that would be an interesting turn of events for sure...
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What's everyone's take on Jedi High Councilperson Ki Adi Mundi's comment about the Sith not being seen for 1000 years in the prequels, yet he's in this series? A cover-up?
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And he might have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling jedi... ;D
But Mundi might have spoken in truth if there won't be any witnesses after this series.
Either that, or they're sworn to secrecy and future generations never learned of this Sith. But we know that Darth Plagueis was real, and must have been alive around this time, so there's that...
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What's everyone's take on Jedi High Councilperson Ki Adi Mundi's comment about the Sith not being seen for 1000 years in the prequels, yet he's in this series? A cover-up?
Well...it could be a cover up...
Or it's not a Sith?
Or its a Sith, but the Jedi can't accept that its a Sith?
Or no one that sees the Sith lives to talk about the Sith?
Or Ki Adi Mundi has dementia?
Or the writer of the Acolyte screwed up?
'The power of one, the power of two, the power of maneeeeeee.'
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What's everyone's take on Jedi High Councilperson Ki Adi Mundi's comment about the Sith not being seen for 1000 years in the prequels, yet he's in this series? A cover-up?
The jedi have always lied, covered things up, and hidden the truth, "from a certain point of view".
Vernestra has deliberately assembled a small council - including Adi-Mundi - to avoid telling the High Council, and therefore informing the Republic at large. As far as the Clone Wars era council is concerned, the Sith have been extinct for millennia, unless Adi-Mundi breaks secrecy, which we know he doesn't, and maybe inadvertently actively contributes to the ultimate fall of the order.
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The jedi have always lied, covered things up, and hidden the truth, "from a certain point of view".
Vernestra has deliberately assembled a small council - including Adi-Mundi - to avoid telling the High Council, and therefore informing the Republic at large. As far as the Clone Wars era council is concerned, the Sith have been extinct for millennia, unless Adi-Mundi breaks secrecy, which we know he doesn't, and maybe inadvertently actively contributes to the ultimate fall of the order.
Still doesn't make 'em morally equivalent to the Sith, despite what Harvey Weinstein's acolyte would like to do in an ham-handed manner.
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Well...it could be a cover up...
Or it's not a Sith?
Or its a Sith, but the Jedi can't accept that its a Sith?
Or no one that sees the Sith lives to talk about the Sith?
Or Ki Adi Mundi has dementia?
Or the writer of the Acolyte screwed up?
Any one of these could be possible ATM and Headland will claim it was all planned, like the intro to the Battlestar Galactica reboot. ::)
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Slightly tangential to The Acolyte, but still Star Wars, I just wanted to mention the YouTube series For the Empire. It was actually on another thread here that I heard about it, and it is really good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g43lgCJ_D6o&list=PLxJr4XsTcWljTxufEaW_3X1VY_eqjuLgi
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lol lol lol. Thanks for posting.
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The gold standard is this one...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HO70-Rk3jE
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Interesting thread in that it's gone from 'cautious optimism', to 'haters gonna hater', to 'maybe this isn't as good as I hoped' to 'yes - it's absolute bilge'. I'd say, the the LAF's credit, most people tried to give it a more than fair go but there are just too many flaws.
One wonders if the only people watching it are youtubers looking for material to make hate videos (there are a lot of them out there). Still, it has brought people together, so that's something.
Roll on Andor Season 2.
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I’ll watch it to the end but for me this is the worst of the live action series so far.
It’ll no doubt get another viewing at some point in the future but not anytime soon I think.
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I’ll watch it to the end but for me this is the worst of the live action series so far.
This, mostly... :?
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It's all a bit Southgatey... it might get there in the end but it's a dull old journey. Wouldn't surprise, given his lack of mobility, to find out it was Harry Maguire guesting in the dead, shaved Wookie suit.
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This weeks was much better, almost feels like the first three could've been rolled into one.
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Yeah, but only because it was just one long light sabre battle.
Props to to long necked one for getting the identity of the dark master.
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This weeks was much better, almost feels like the first three could've been rolled into one.
Yup...tbh, they could have just started with Ep 5, and left a lot unexplained rather than spell everything out with flashbacks.
Nice to see cortosis ore in action 8)
also...
It's all a bit Southgatey... it might get there in the end but it's a dull old journey. Wouldn't surprise, given his lack of mobility, to find out it was Harry Maguire guesting in the dead, shaved Wookie suit.
lol lol lol lol
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Props to to long necked one for getting the identity of the dark master.
I thank you. But him just turning up like that was too much… combined with how he was speaking and encouraging Mae, it had to be him.
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I know that he is referred to as "master" but technically isn't the Sith apprentice, which is why he is seeking an acolyte?
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I don’t think he’s really a Sith, he said it was just a term the Jedi would use to categorise him. His desire for freedom to use his powers as he wished, even though he’s a dick with them, seems more his motivation than looking for power itself.
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I don’t think he’s a Sith either, just some bloke who’s out for himself and doesn’t give a tinkers cuss who gets in his way lol
Expanding it to more than Jedi/Sith is a good thing as far as I’m concerned.
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Some of the way he kept referring to himself/Sith in the third person had me wondering if there was an alien parasite thing involved, but probably not.
Not sure cutting your hair and putting on your sister's clothes should be enough to fool a Jedi master who can read minds, but, why not...
Hints of the witches getting into Jedi minds is muddying up my opinion of what/who killed all the witches, so credit to them for at least keeping that mystery open.
Not happy about the "all my friends are dead, I'll just leave them where they are to be eaten by the Rodents of Unusual Size in Fangorn Forest", approach (yeah, mixing movies, I know). He could at least have moved the bodies into the Wookie's hut to await collection :-[
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I like the implication in this series that there may have been many force-using cults in the universe at one point, but the Jedi were the only state sanctioned force-using cult...
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I like the implication in this series that there may have been many force-using cults in the universe at one point, but the Jedi were the only state sanctioned force-using cult...
Yes, I like that as well.
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I like the implication in this series that there may have been many force-using cults in the universe at one point, but the Jedi were the only state sanctioned force-using cult...
Well, there is a reason for that, as invariably those force cults went to the dark side (save for maybe the Whills).
Remember, the Jedi are space Knights Templar. That is one of the main sources of inspiration for the Jedi, and early in the Catholic church there were many heresies which had to be dealt with, such as the Arian heresy.
I just hope it (the Acolyte) doesn't paint them as anything other than heretics instead of the stupid trope of good and unfairly oppressed.
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I actually like the idea that the Jedi are not the paragons of good that they were made out to be. Maybe individual Jedi are, but the organisation itself appears to be at least partially Byzantine, with councils, secret councils, secret sub-councils etc. Different schools, sub-sects and interpretations and all that.
The fact that Ki Adi Mundi was in the know of the happenings at the beginning of the series, and him blatantly agreeing that there had not been any Sith for a thousand years when on the high council during the Phantom Menace is proof enough that the Jedi order is not as forthcoming and transparent as they make themselves out to be.
Add to that the distinct implication that the 4 Jedi murdered all of the sisters during the fire (the bodies seen during the escape were not burnt and there was no suffocating smoke, they just lay where they died/were cut down), and it appears to me that this series is trying to add some severe nuances to the Jedi order.
It's only logical that there are many different force using groups across the galaxy (a galaxy is a very large place), and it's becoming clear that the Jedi order is doing whatever it takes to maintain its monopoly on force use, to the point where they will criminalize any competition or even outright exterminate them.
The Jedi order might have begun as a force of good, but thousands of years of institutionalization have severely blinded the order to their own original tenets, which have been replaced by strict, unforgiving dogma and a blind eye for certain aspects of their original beliefs that has made them unflexible and cold.
This might be me, but ever since the prequel trilogy I have had serious doubts about how (morally) good the Jedi actually are. They go on about balance in the force, but without dark, there is no light, so how can there be balance when all the dark is being suppressed?
Also; how is taking young children away from their loved ones, telling them to sever all ties with their past, then throwing them into an imposing, alien environment with very strict rules and ragging on them for feeling scared supposed to be good?
I think the Jedi order lost its way long before the events of this series, replacing actual good intentions with strict dogma.
And storywise, this makes them much more interesting I think; no strict black and white, but shades of grey (and a lot more than 50 ;) ), which gives all matter of options, from paladin-like individuals fighting actual evil to scheming, machiavellian manipulators. So I'm all for that.
I know that this will not sit right with a lot of old-school Jedi fans, for whom the Jedi order is the true champion of all that is good, but to each his own. I'm also not defending the Acolyte as a series; the 5th episode was pretty good as far as I'm concerned but the first few fell really flat.
But then again; let's hope that after a lacklustre start, it will maintain its momentum and turn out to be actually OK...
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Also; how is taking young children away from their loved ones, telling them to sever all ties with their past, then throwing them into an imposing, alien environment with very strict rules and ragging on them for feeling scared supposed to be good?
They don't take children away from their loved ones. If the parent(s) says no, they respect their wishes. The ones who take children without consent are the Sith, like what Darth Sidious did with the infant Maul. Severing ties with their past and other things make sense, but by the end of the High Republic era, the Jedi gone overboard with it.
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I know that he is referred to as "master" but technically isn't the Sith apprentice, which is why he is seeking an acolyte?
Since he's the one training her, it'd be correct for her to refer to him as "master". Banite Sith got around the Rule of 2 by training Sith Assassins or Sith Acolytes, like Sidious and Maul and Tyranus and Asajj Ventress. Usually this was done in secret, since it would be an obvious indication that the apprentice was preparing to replace their master, but even if known, it was tolerated, so long as they were kept weak - Sidious ordered Tyranus to kill Ventress, as she become strong. Some Banite Sith, like Tenebrous did violate their rule by having 2 apprentices: Darth Vanamis and Darth Plagueis.
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It is certainly easy to see the Jedi's flaws in the prequels, and it is kind of fun to see them as 'not good guys'. However, it's again back to the Knights Templar. They were not allowed to have any relations with women, they couldn't even kiss or hug their own mothers or sisters.
The overarching failure isn't so much, pull away from family, as it is they fail to teach them how to not let their emotions run away with them. Coupled with their own hubris/self belief they were blind to needed actions. The implication might be that Qui-Gon was the right blend of attributes, but in his death Obi-wan was too bound to be legalistic in his approach.
The Sith are certainly the bad guys, and not 'misunderstood'.
In terms of Ki Adi Mundi knowing, I think it's less he covered it up and more 'we don't give a #### about continuity'. They've clearly demonstrated as much with Obi-wan. Anything else is worthy of a Marvel No-Prize for covering up a total disregard for bad teen fan-fic.
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I have now sat through the whole series. It expands the universe and adds new avenues for plot lines. For me this failed in the same way as the majority of their new stuff. Almost all of the new series have held real promise but then failed with the story, dialogue and the acting. It is almost as if they are hoping that the effects makes up for the other deficiencies. I really worry that they are flooding the market with mediocre content rather than putting real effort into creating compelling series. It will turn off fans.
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Watched today's episode...it was good to see the Jedi don't just leave their dead...the whole Sol missing that Osha is actually Mae thing felt like filler.
Also, the lightsabre whip is silly.
I realised this week I'd quite like to see a Star Wars series with a jobbing Jedi, no Sith, no the-galaxy-is-on-the-line story arcs. It could be a bit Quantum Leap-ish and be a good way of exploring different aspects of the setting.
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They don't take children away from their loved ones. If the parent(s) says no, they respect their wishes.
The witches said no, but they kept pushing.
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Well, I'll keep going with it but I don't think it'll improve really.
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Still Southgatey
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It is certainly easy to see the Jedi's flaws in the prequels, and it is kind of fun to see them as 'not good guys'. However, it's again back to the Knights Templar. They were not allowed to have any relations with women, they couldn't even kiss or hug their own mothers or sisters.
The overarching failure isn't so much, pull away from family, as it is they fail to teach them how to not let their emotions run away with them. Coupled with their own hubris/self belief they were blind to needed actions. The implication might be that Qui-Gon was the right blend of attributes, but in his death Obi-wan was too bound to be legalistic in his approach.
The Sith are certainly the bad guys, and not 'misunderstood'.
In terms of Ki Adi Mundi knowing, I think it's less he covered it up and more 'we don't give a #### about continuity'. They've clearly demonstrated as much with Obi-wan. Anything else is worthy of a Marvel No-Prize for covering up a total disregard for bad teen fan-fic.
The celibacy rule keeps getting brought up, but there's no requirement about Jedi being celibate, they just can't have emotional attachments.
George Lucas (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/1989505.stm) has an habit of changing canon on a whim and not above appropriating non canon material, but he's been consistent in regards to this subject since the prequels.
But Lucas revealed that despite their monastic regime, Jedi were permitted to have sex.
"Jedi Knights aren't celibate - the thing that is forbidden is attachments - and possessive relationships."
Due to his species' low birth rate, Ki Adi Mundi was allowed multiple wives, so the Jedi Council could grant marriage dispensations, but the person would have to have to be mature, something lacking in Little Orphan Ani (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_69wvG7Bqa8).
Were the Jedi supposed to not be allowed to get married, have children or any possessions when the OT was made? (https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Were-the-Jedi-supposed-to-not-be-allowed-to-get-married-have-children-or-any-possessions-when-the-OT-was-made/id/110937)
George Lucas Answers the Question of Jedi Marriage (https://writerbuddha.tumblr.com/post/664419049902604288/george-lucas-answer-the-question-of-jedi-marriage)
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Oh and at least someone in that galaxy has heard of safety railings…
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Oh and at least someone in that galaxy has heard of safety railings…
Star Wars Debunks The Best Explanation For A New Hope's Most Absurd Death Star Problem (https://screenrant.com/star-wars-death-star-guardrails-theory-debunked/)
You know, that’s the funny thing. It's one of those iconic things that George wanted to establish in the Star Wars locale, that there’s no health and safety. It’s this crazy thing where the minute you take away handrails or anything like that, it really kind of puts it in the Star Wars world.
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Have y'all given up on this show? I've heard there will be 1 or 2 more seasons, but seeing what I've seen now, this show might've been cancelled if it were on a network channel. I was rolling my eyes at parts of episode 6, but episode 7 was awful in the way it treated the characters, like the writers gave up on it.
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yeah, I'm more committed to it out of morbid curiosity now.
the wookie fight was kinda cool, but everyone is a dick really, so you can't care about them. What was so dangerous about turning to vapour that meant Sol killed the mother?
and another flashback just reminded me how silly the "I want to be one of these things that I only heard about an hour ago" motivation is.
and how flammable is stone on this planet?
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yeah, I'm more committed to it out of morbid curiosity now.
This unfortunately.
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I did chuckle at the "m-count" line. The franchise has been desperately trying to distance itself from that nonsense since episode 1, so it almost felt like a dig at Lucas lol
Given that they knew the witches could control minds, why did the Wookie not strengthen his mind as well?
Given that Sol had the strength to hold up the platform, why not just grab and hold both kids instead ???
So many questions, but I'm with @anevilgiraffe on the morbid curiosity part now :(
I was disappointed not to see the evil Jedi at least in the background, as that would have at least tied things together. And how did May/Mae??? survive and get out of the place ???
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And how did May/Mae??? survive and get out of the place ???
more flashbacks!
I think Darth Smiles has at least been the best character, decent actor (he was great in the Good Place) and some back story that gives him some empathy at least.
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I have my personal canon where Darth Vader never died, killed Luke's dad and nobody knows about young Anakin, other than that he was a good pilot ...and a friend - and rebels bother the empire not more than any other criminals. :D
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I think Darth Smiles has at least been the best character, decent actor (he was great in the Good Place) and some back story that gives him some empathy at least.
I had completely missed that :o, but I suppose the Dark Side and Bud Holes share similar motifs ;D
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yeah, I'm more committed to it out of morbid curiosity now.
the wookie fight was kinda cool, but everyone is a dick really, so you can't care about them. What was so dangerous about turning to vapour that meant Sol killed the mother?
and another flashback just reminded me how silly the "I want to be one of these things that I only heard about an hour ago" motivation is.
and how flammable is stone on this planet?
If I'm not mistaken, turning to vapor was a means of possessing someone, similar to the Nightsisters. I could understand why a young Sol wanted Osha away from this group, though he approached it the wrong way. Mae likes to torture little animals and got into a fight with Osha, who wanted to explore the galaxy, and her birth mother respected her decision, in contrast with the cult.
Flammable stone made about as much sense as flammable metal catwalks during the prison riot on the CW's Arrow.
You know it's gone to crap, when Grace Randolph gave this episode a bad review and she liked the prior ones. ::)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDOT00Bnm24
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As the story keeps flipping back I thought I'd start at the beginning again to see if it gets better 2nd time around.
I still don't think the characters are fleshed out much with many coming across as wooden.
Why is Sol so obsessed with the Osha & Mae? He seems really fixated on them after only watching them for a brief time. We aren't shown anything particularly bad about the witches or how the children are being treated.
His stance seems to be the opposite of Indara who seems happy enough to leave the kids where they are. Has Sol had a bad experience with witches in the past?
This kinda extends to pretty much all the Jedi, they don't seem very balanced at all...with perhaps the exception of Indara, she feels like a hard pressed mother just trying to see her charges through the job at hand; I suspect that when they are done she just wants a soothing bath and a glass of wine :D
All in all this feels like a fan project.
I wonder when they assign these projects how much they seek to find people who understand the subtleties of the world (philosophy, influences etc) or do they just hand them out to "super fans".
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Osha, who wanted to explore the galaxy, and her birth mother respected her decision, in contrast with the cult.
wanting to go off and explore is one thing, but there has been absolutely nothing about those Jedi to make anyone go I want to be one as soon as they meet them.
if your kid said they wanted to drop out of school and be a road sweeper, right now, absolutely, even though they'd never seen a road sweeper before, you'd have concerns.
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Perversely, despite the plotholes, I enjoyed the last episode.
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wookie rampage helps...
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wanting to go off and explore is one thing, but there has been absolutely nothing about those Jedi to make anyone go I want to be one as soon as they meet them.
if your kid said they wanted to drop out of school and be a road sweeper, right now, absolutely, even though they'd never seen a road sweeper before, you'd have concerns.
I think Osha had been drawing the Jedi symbol before she saw them so I kinda assumed she was already being drawn to them...maybe thats why Sol is soo attached to her right from the off. I hope Osha / Mae aren't yet another chosen one (pair).
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Well, they then would bring balance to the force... :D
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wookie rampage helps...
Massively, even though it's a plothole.
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Massively, even though it's a plothole.
how so?
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how so?
Early on in the episode, we see Torbin had the witches in his head. They all saw what happened to Tobin, so why didn't they all "fortify" their minds before another altercation?
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fair point
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So, did the witches actually all die though?
We saw them collapse when the wookie was freed from their control, but nobody actually checked they were dead, Sol just grabbed the kid and ran....
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certainly Mother Maul was never seen again...
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So, did the witches actually all die though?
We saw them collapse when the wookie was freed from their control, but nobody actually checked they were dead, Sol just grabbed the kid and ran....
Dead more than likely...
It's rather confusing and I'm not the only one who thought cultists were a living battery.
THE ACOLYTE’s Leslye Headland on Episode 7, Witches, Vergences, Qui-Gon, and Anakin (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/acolyte-leslye-headland-episode-7-193512023.html)
Why did they all die when Indara freed Kelnacca?
Headland: This was a big question when we were working on the episode. To me, it was very important because it told two stories. One, that Indara, despite her being completely and utterly the consummate Jedi in this episode, I did feel it was important that she also misjudged something. If we were going to explore those themes, she couldn’t just be this infallible Jedi, she also had to have something else going on with her. And I think what she did is, in the moment, in trying to sever the connection between Kelnacca and the witches, she dealt with a power that she did not understand and was unfamiliar with.
Did she kill them?
Headland: Yeah. She didn’t know what was going to happen to them.
So it wasn’t intentional?
Headland: No, she did not know. All she was thinking was, “I have to save him.” Again, it starts to become a selfish want. “I must save this colleague of mine. I have to do this. If I don’t do this, then something terrible could happen to him. We’ve seen what they’re capable of. I’ve seen them do this to my Padawan. They’re now doing it to an incredibly powerful Jedi master. What do I do? Okay, I’m going to make this decision.”
But she doesn’t know what the consequences of that decision will be. The same way that Sol doesn’t know what his actions will mean for Osha’s future. Torbin doesn’t really put together, because he’s so young that, the consequences of his actions are going to lead to all of this falling apart. Indara had to also make that mistake in order to continue exploring that idea.
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Fair enough. :)
Vergences, though.... anyone else think Sol said they were hunting for "Virgins" at first?
I thought, ooh, the Jedi were a bit dark in them days, then someone else said it and I realised it was just made up bollocks.
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I didn't really get any of that from the episode even after a second viewing. I don't feel like they sold it. I'm not really sure that'd upset a Jedi anyway, the witches possessed her colleague and she broke the connection.
I think my biggest problem with the show is everything feels forced, characters must act the way they do so we can get to the next plot point rather than we get to the next point because thats the way the characters would respond. It's like everyone is just a playing piece to be moved about.
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Fair enough. :)
Vergences, though.... anyone else think Sol said they were hunting for "Virgins" at first?
I thought, ooh, the Jedi were a bit dark in them days, then someone else said it and I realised it was just made up bollocks.
TBF, Lee Jung-jae learnt to speak English for this role and it shows in one scene when he was interacting with Carrie-Anne Moss - felt like they were in different places. It's a rare form of dedication to a role and it's a shame he's been let down by a subpar plot.
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No comment on him as an actor, more my own cloth ears...
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I thought episode 7 was the nadir, but 8 appears to have dug a deeper hole. >:(
Stenberg's acting is the weakest link: she's okay when she's playing one character, but can't differentiate when playing the twin and this wouldn't have been that big an issue, except Mae and Osha are the focus of the show. I used to think Anakin turning Sith was rather abrupt, but Osha's 180 was even more unbelievable and she didn't give Sol the benefit of the doubt, as she knew him for years.
How much authority does Vernestra Rwoh have compared to the High Council?
Why is Darth Plagueis playing voyeur?
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Thor Skywalker's 40 minute spoiler filled review of episode 8:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcZ5sftwWWA
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I quite enjoyed that episode to be honest, although the form a 5 click perimeter somehow became hang around in a mob with the tracker... and that lanky guy from Outlaws is not a good actor, no idea who thought he had the presence to be a jedi.
Osha's 180 was even more unbelievable and she didn't give Sol the benefit of the doubt, as she knew him for years.
Maybe because she'd known him for years...
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I’m still not sure if a liked the show or not. I know I didn’t hate it though. The final episodes fights were pretty cool
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I figured it was the last episode because of the length. However, it didn't really feel like it had an ending, it just fizzled out :?
I have no idea why the tracker sabotaged Sol's ship, that came out of nowhere and was never explained. Green lady throwing Sol under the galactic bus seemed rather un-Jedi like. Talking about a "5-Klick" perimeter seemed really unnecessary, unless the metric system really was being used a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away ::)
Highlight was Yoda finally making an appearance
At least it's over. I'm not sure where it ranks with the other shows, but it's in the bottom one or two for me (fighting with Kenobi for bottom place)
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saying Klick/Click is just a way to give viewers some sense of measurement without using our world terms.
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I quite enjoyed that episode to be honest, although the form a 5 click perimeter somehow became hang around in a mob with the tracker... and that lanky guy from Outlaws is not a good actor, no idea who thought he had the presence to be a jedi.
Maybe because she'd known him for years...
Didn't you get the memo? Anyone can be a Jedi nowadays, just like anyone acting like an emo is considered a Sith - not even a canon Dark Jedi.
Still not a good enough reason to force choke someone, without hearing their side, and then go live on the lam with someone she'd just met. ::) I've read and watched better plotted bodice rippers than this poor man's Agatha Christie. Everyone had to act stupid, just to progress the plot or whatever passes for a plot, not unlike the Shogun remake. I'm getting the impression this series was set up to make the Jedi look like perpetual losers, culminating in the blue milk scene in those horrible sequels.
I'm reading comments elsewhere and I'm surprised at the number of posters expressing sympathy for Dark Side Force wielders and the real bad guys are the Jedi - too easy to dismiss the posters edgelords, more a sign of the times.
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I figured it was the last episode because of the length. However, it didn't really feel like it had an ending, it just fizzled out :?
I have no idea why the tracker sabotaged Sol's ship, that came out of nowhere and was never explained. Green lady throwing Sol under the galactic bus seemed rather un-Jedi like. Talking about a "5-Klick" perimeter seemed really unnecessary, unless the metric system really was being used a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away ::)
Highlight was Yoda finally making an appearance
At least it's over. I'm not sure where it ranks with the other shows, but it's in the bottom one or two for me (fighting with Kenobi for bottom place)
Almost nothing's been explained in this show, like we're expecting another season or two to wrap up this JJ Abrams style mystery box. If there's a season 2 and Yoda buys green lady's cock and bull cover up, then he's a bigger idiot than I thought and the Jedi deserved to fail. The prequels were about their hubris and a later story about a Sith temple leaking Dark Side energy, located at the lowest level of the Jedi temple, clouding the residents' minds.
From Reddit via a Google search: The Acolyte Nielsen Rating Analysis from a TV Industry Guy (https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/1e4xg1g/the_acolyte_nielsen_rating_analysis_from_a_tv/) for the first 3 episodes and if the stats are true, it ranks at the bottom of the list. Maybe there will be a season 2, as it's not a network show. :-I
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I thought green lady was going to be hideously disfigured by dark force energy and then turn into Yoda
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I thought green lady was going to be hideously disfigured by dark force energy and then turn into Yoda
That would've been an interesting twist a la M. Night Shyamalan! lol
She's much to badass to be disfigured by force lightning, as she wields a purple lightsaber. Like Mace Windu, she channels the Dark Side without going down that path and probably proficient enough to use her opponent's attacks against them - no wonder Qmir looks afraid.
Unlike Kenobi, with Reva having all the presence of Arnold Rimmer, with the exception of the budget Nightsisters, the majority of the Acolyte's characters were rather interesting before episode 7.
I think Osha and Mae were the first or one of the early experiments in creating life, so made sense for Darth Plagueis to make an appearance, though it would've been better to have occurred 2 episodes ago.
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lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J6Gdl-0DRI
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lol
Final episode - decent fight (apart from the Mary Poppins bit), a couple of fan pleaser cameos...and the rest was a bit meh... clearly the writers had given up by this point.
{producer}"Why did Beaver-guy sabotage the ship?"
{writer}"Just because."
{producer}"...and why did Mae get left behind?"
{writer}"Just because."
{producer}"But what about the "force dyad" storyline, I mean that was tee'ed up the whole way through...shouldnt they have taken Mae with them?"
{writer}"Look, I said just because ...ok? ...Ok quick glimpse of Yoda...right run the credits quick."
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A series can't be that awful if it inspired someone to create a rave music video... o_o
Who can hook me up with some glowing Death Sticks? ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHqKzIdqksg
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That's actually better than the series itself.
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That's actually better than the series itself.
This was my initial thought too.
That way the song will last at least, while it was rather boring when they sung it in the episode.
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It lacks jazz hands...
Everything's better when sung with and danced to jazz hands!
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Think on this....when Osha becomes a Sith, she causes Sol's lightsabre blade to turn red, because her emotions were ones of anger, hate, and revenge.
When killing Younglings, Anakin's lightsabre stays blue, so he must have been pretty happy when doing it.
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Turns out the showrunners did. She touches the crystal because Sol's hilt was damaged in the fight. Anakin does not as his saber us intact.
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I had to go online to find out who the character in the shadows is. Wonder if he'll be more prominent in series 2?
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That was Darth Plagueis, right? Why the long face? ;D
Considering the timeline, it was pretty much a given that he would be involved in one capacity or another. I'm sort of chuffed to see I correctly predicted that at least.
With the last episode concluded, I can state the following; it was a Star Wars series. Was it good? Nah. Was it bearable? Definitely.
Mind; I am pretty easily amused, and I'm well aware of the fact that when lined up and compared, there will always be a best and a worst, and this one does dangle dangerously close to the lowest rank for me.
Still; easily amused and all that lol
For comparisson; I have enjoyed (and actually still do) all the 63 Classic Battletech novels. And there is some pretty dire and formulaic stuff in that line-up. But I still enjoy all of them. Same goes for all the Star Wars films and series.
I remember when there were just three choices; ANH, TESB or ROTJ, and let's be honest; the effects were cutting edge, but the acting and storylines were not the strongest ever. Granted; they were probably better than The Acolyte, but in my opinion there should be only one criterium: were you entertained?
So; was I entertained? I suppose I was. Did I enjoy other SW content better? Absolutely. Will I watch a second season? Most likely. Because yeah; easily amused... :D
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That was Darth Plagueis, right?
Correct and of course we had that other cameo at the end.
I think bearable is the right word to describe The Acolyte. My enthusiasm has definitely waned as the series progressed. Will I watch series 2, yes, am I looking forward to it, maybe not. Makes me worried about the Skeleton Crew later this year.
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I had to go online to find out who the character in the shadows is. Wonder if he'll be more prominent in series 2?
Assuming there will be a second season, as it looks like Disney didn't get a decent financial return on it.
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Makes me worried about the Skeleton Crew later this year.
I reckon it’ll be fine. Jude Law is a very good supporting actor and as long as they don’t make it for too young an audience it should be ok.
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the poster has Ewok Adventure vibes though...
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I’m afraid to say, that for me, Ewoks (films & series) was better than The Acolyte lol
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So, the million dollar question:
Was Acolyte better than Boba Fett (which, honestly, I enjoyed, because I watched it with my 11 year old son who was crazy about the show)?
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I’m afraid to say, that for me, Ewoks (films & series) was better than The Acolyte lol
How about the Droids animated series?
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So, the million dollar question:
Was Acolyte better than Boba Fett (which, honestly, I enjoyed, because I watched it with my 11 year old son who was crazy about the show)?
As far as I'm concerned Boba Fett was miles ahead. Especially the Sandpeople episodes...
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I really like the mix of Wusha style action and Star Wars, but overall, the writing feels like it was written by someone who won an online fanfiction contest.
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the writing feels like it was written by someone who won entered an online fanfiction contest.
FTFY ;D
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So, the million dollar question:
Was Acolyte better than Boba Fett (which, honestly, I enjoyed, because I watched it with my 11 year old son who was crazy about the show)?
Nope. BoBF wasn’t great but I do watch it every now and again.
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Acolyte is just badly written, badly cast and badly acted. It's a shame as it could have been really good.
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Acolyte is just badly written, badly cast and badly acted. It's a shame as it could have been really good.
I though the actors portraying Sol, Qmir and Jecki were quite good, but episode 7 screwed the good guys. Mention should be made of the actor playing Yord, as it's hard to pull off a decent tool onscreen!
Just noticed now...
The actor playing Venestra is Leslye Headland's spouse. If one's going to engage in nepotism, at least make sure the person could pull it off.
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I don't think it was awful, just a bit dull in places.
As for the wooden acting, that's a Star Wars tradition since back when Lucas was in charge. It's basically canon.
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Mention should be made of the actor playing Yord, as it's hard to pull off a decent tool onscreen!
I think that might have been incidental, due to bad script and poor acting.
Just noticed now...
The actor playing Venestra is Leslye Headland's spouse. If one's going to engage in nepotism, at least make sure the person could pull it off.
Good call
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I think that might have been incidental, due to bad script and poor acting.
Good call
The best scenes occur sometimes by chance. Grey Worm was a total tool and wondered why he never got punched in the face - maybe a clause in the contract? Yord was one of those rare likeable tools who'll sadly be missed...
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I don't even remember characters called Yord and Jecki... lol
And Grey Worm was in it? from GoT? who was he? I don't remember seeing him at all.
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They were the two padawans who got offed by the Sith Apprentice.
Yord was the obnoxious male played by the same actor who also played Grey Worm in, indeed, GoT. Yecki was the Ziggy Stardust lookalike who put up quite the fight before also getting lightskewered. Shame, because I think I actually liked the Yecki character...
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I don't even remember characters called Yord and Jecki... lol
Someone wasn't paying attention... ::)
Unlike Kenobi and Book of Boba Fett, with the exception of the budget Night Sisters, I find the characters interesting, albeit poorly portrayed.
And Grey Worm was in it? from GoT? who was he? I don't remember seeing him at all.
He's the bad douche, I used to contrast with the good one in this show.
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Nope - Grey Worm is Jacob Basil Anderson
Yord is Charlie Barnett
nothing alike.
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They were the two padawans who got offed by the Sith Apprentice.
Yord was the obnoxious male played by the same actor who also played Grey Worm in, indeed, GoT. Yecki was the Ziggy Stardust lookalike who put up quite the fight before also getting lightskewered. Shame, because I think I actually liked the Yecki character...
Oh dear... :(
Yord was played by Charlie Barnett and Grey Worm by Jacob Anderson. Anderson plays Louis in Interview with the Vampire, though the character's backstory was changed, because Rolin Jones couldn't imagine a Black or mixed race plantation owner in the former French territory.
Yord was a Knight and had his own Padawan, that Zygerrian contradiction - someone the writers forgot about. I didn't find Yord that obnoxious compared to Grey Worm, but I guess one can be unpleasant, to make up for a lack of balls. Yord put up a fight and was rather creative with the discarded cortosis helmet in the fight, before getting his neck snapped, a debunked method of killing.
Jecki was played by Dafne Keen, who played Wolverine's daughter in Logan.
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Nope - Grey Worm is Jacob Basil Anderson
Yord is Charlie Barnett
nothing alike.
They're both d-bags, I can contrast. Are you telling me Grey Worm wasn't a monotonous jerk?
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Oops lol
Goes to tell how much of an impact they made then. I can't even remember any other male knight/padawan other than Yord... :D
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lol lol lol
"If there's no miscommunication in this show, then there is no show."
"Who's to say why characters do what they do?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqwEE6G6zaU
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Due to low viewership, Acolyte Season 2 has been cancelled...
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Well, that wasn't unexpected.
But the end did have me wondering how Plagueis fit into all of it...
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But the end did have me wondering how Plagueis fit into all of it...
Isn’t he ALMOST immortal?
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Well, that wasn't unexpected.
But the end did have me wondering how Plagueis fit into all of it...
Articles on the popular sites - probably studio paid - are blaming toxic fandom for the cancellation and not helped by the occasional idiot in the comments whinging about DEI! ::)
Plagueis and Yoda were probably included to bait fans...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2nhhR4zNAA
I'm going to assume Osha isn't a figment of Qmir's imagination, due to anxiety caused by testicular cancer.
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Any company that makes an unsuccessful product needs to honestly accept their own failure to meet the demands of the customer base, not point out why people were wrong to want what they wanted.
For my own part, I love Star Wars (have done since 1977), but I don't have any rose coloured spectacles and realise that some of the content is more to my taste than others. I really wanted to love the Book of Boba Fett for example, but in the end I thought it was so-so at best. I didn't expect to enjoy Andor, but ended up thinking it was amazing. The Mandalorian goes without saying.
I didn't even bother watching the Acolyte because unfortunately the whole bullshit about it on social media, with people drawing a line and pointing fingers - if you like it you're one of the woke brigade, if you don't like it you're a racist/incel - soured it for me and I knew I was never going to be able to just watch it on its own merits. Something about the series obviously polarised people so violently before it was even released that it didn't stand a chance to be judged on its own merits. The makers need to identify why this was and either accept they need to do things differently next time or take the hit.
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Well said sir.
For my part an hesitance I had about The Acolyte before watching was more to do with the inconsistent quality of what came before. But, I watched it all, many of the episodes twice and found it...so, so.
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(...) and found it...so, so.
That sums it up quite succinctly, I think! ;) But I do not think this thread is going anywhere in less than 12 parsecs, given the show's cancellation.
We should probably leave it at that.