Star Wars: The Acolyte [Spoilers on the North Ridge!]

[OSHIROmodels]

Well, I'll keep going with it but I don't think it'll improve really.

[Dags]

Still Southgatey

[Condottiere]

It is certainly easy to see the Jedi's flaws in the prequels, and it is kind of fun to see them as 'not good guys'.  However, it's again back to the Knights Templar.  They were not allowed to have any relations with women, they couldn't even kiss or hug their own mothers or sisters.

The overarching failure isn't so much, pull away from family, as it is they fail to teach them how to not let their emotions run away with them.  Coupled with their own hubris/self belief they were blind to needed actions.  The implication might be that Qui-Gon was the right blend of attributes, but in his death Obi-wan was too bound to be legalistic in his approach.

The Sith are certainly the bad guys, and not 'misunderstood'. 

In terms of Ki Adi Mundi knowing, I think it's less he covered it up and more 'we don't give a #### about continuity'.  They've clearly demonstrated as much with Obi-wan.  Anything else is worthy of a Marvel No-Prize for covering up a total disregard for bad teen fan-fic.

The celibacy rule keeps getting brought up, but there's no requirement about Jedi being celibate, they just can't have emotional attachments.

George Lucas has an habit of changing canon on a whim and not above appropriating non canon material, but he's been consistent in regards to this subject since the prequels.

But Lucas revealed that despite their monastic regime, Jedi were permitted to have sex.

"Jedi Knights aren't celibate - the thing that is forbidden is attachments - and possessive relationships."

Due to his species' low birth rate, Ki Adi Mundi was allowed multiple wives, so the Jedi Council could grant marriage dispensations, but the person would have to have to be mature, something lacking in Little Orphan Ani.

Were the Jedi supposed to not be allowed to get married, have children or any possessions when the OT was made?

George Lucas Answers the Question of Jedi Marriage

[anevilgiraffe]

Oh and at least someone in that galaxy has heard of safety railings…

[Condottiere]

Oh and at least someone in that galaxy has heard of safety railings…

Star Wars Debunks The Best Explanation For A New Hope's Most Absurd Death Star Problem

You know, that’s the funny thing. It's one of those iconic things that George wanted to establish in the Star Wars locale, that there’s no health and safety. It’s this crazy thing where the minute you take away handrails or anything like that, it really kind of puts it in the Star Wars world.

[Condottiere]

Have y'all given up on this show? I've heard there will be 1 or 2 more seasons, but seeing what I've seen now, this show might've been cancelled if it were on a network channel. I was rolling my eyes at parts of episode 6, but episode 7 was awful in the way it treated the characters, like the writers gave up on it.

[anevilgiraffe]

yeah, I'm more committed to it out of morbid curiosity now.

the wookie fight was kinda cool, but everyone is a dick really, so you can't care about them. What was so dangerous about turning to vapour that meant Sol killed the mother?

and another flashback just reminded me how silly the "I want to be one of these things that I only heard about an hour ago" motivation is.

and how flammable is stone on this planet?

[OSHIROmodels]

yeah, I'm more committed to it out of morbid curiosity now.

This unfortunately.

[zemjw]

I did chuckle at the "m-count" line. The franchise has been desperately trying to distance itself from that nonsense since episode 1, so it almost felt like a dig at Lucas

Given that they knew the witches could control minds, why did the Wookie not strengthen his mind as well?

Given that Sol had the strength to hold up the platform, why not just grab and hold both kids instead

So many questions, but I'm with @anevilgiraffe on the morbid curiosity part now

I was disappointed not to see the evil Jedi at least in the background, as that would have at least tied things together. And how did May/Mae??? survive and get out of the place

[anevilgiraffe]

And how did May/Mae??? survive and get out of the place

more flashbacks!

I think Darth Smiles has at least been the best character, decent actor (he was great in the Good Place) and some back story that gives him some empathy at least.

[Michi]

I have my personal canon where Darth Vader never died, killed Luke's dad and nobody knows about young Anakin, other than that he was a good pilot ...and a friend - and rebels bother the empire not more than any other criminals. 

[zemjw]

I think Darth Smiles has at least been the best character, decent actor (he was great in the Good Place) and some back story that gives him some empathy at least.

I had completely missed that , but I suppose the Dark Side and Bud Holes share similar motifs

[Condottiere]

yeah, I'm more committed to it out of morbid curiosity now.

the wookie fight was kinda cool, but everyone is a dick really, so you can't care about them. What was so dangerous about turning to vapour that meant Sol killed the mother?

and another flashback just reminded me how silly the "I want to be one of these things that I only heard about an hour ago" motivation is.

and how flammable is stone on this planet?

If I'm not mistaken, turning to vapor was a means of possessing someone, similar to the Nightsisters. I could understand why a young Sol wanted Osha away from this group, though he approached it the wrong way. Mae likes to torture little animals and got into a fight with Osha, who wanted to explore the galaxy, and her birth mother respected her decision, in contrast with the cult.   

Flammable stone made about as much sense as flammable metal catwalks during the prison riot on the CW's Arrow.


You know it's gone to crap, when Grace Randolph gave this episode a bad review and she liked the prior ones.

[Lost Egg]

As the story keeps flipping back I thought I'd start at the beginning again to see if it gets better 2nd time around.

I still don't think the characters are fleshed out much with many coming across as wooden.

Why is Sol so obsessed with the Osha & Mae? He seems really fixated on them after only watching them for a brief time. We aren't shown anything particularly bad about the witches or how the children are being treated.

His stance seems to be the opposite of Indara who seems happy enough to leave the kids where they are. Has Sol had a bad experience with witches in the past?

This kinda extends to pretty much all the Jedi, they don't seem very balanced at all...with perhaps the exception of Indara, she feels like a hard pressed mother just trying to see her charges through the job at hand; I suspect that when they are done she just wants a soothing bath and a glass of wine

All in all this feels like a fan project.

I wonder when they assign these projects how much they seek to find people who understand the subtleties of the world (philosophy, influences etc) or do they just hand them out to "super fans".

[anevilgiraffe]

Osha, who wanted to explore the galaxy, and her birth mother respected her decision, in contrast with the cult.   

wanting to go off and explore is one thing, but there has been absolutely nothing about those Jedi to make anyone go I want to be one as soon as they meet them.

if your kid said they wanted to drop out of school and be a road sweeper, right now, absolutely, even though they'd never seen a road sweeper before, you'd have concerns.