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Miniatures Adventure => Colonial Adventures => Topic started by: Dr. The Viking on 18 January 2011, 07:25:30 PM
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Boooooooooooooring post, but I have a load of "6mm" Baccus figs lying around and want to put them to good use. Lately the colonial era really has got the better of me..
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I don't want to use just another warmaster modification. lol
EDIT: I've now found Science vs. Pluck and some interesting Polemos ideas!
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Cue for Phil Robinson to mention Dave Bickley........... :o
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Cue for Phil Robinson to mention Dave Bickley........... :o
Who? never heard of him ;)
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Who? never heard of him ;)
Nor me... :D
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Can I join? :-X
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Don't do it. Enjoy having eyesight.
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Don't do it. Enjoy having eyesight.
I think it's quite possible to distinguish one self within the 6mm frame and still keep the eyesight. :D
But I gather from these replies that this is not the place to discuss 6mm colonials.. ;)
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Yes it bloody well is. Don't listen to them.
I still enjoy Fields of Honor, quite a flexible game that can be used for most 19th Century conflicts. Can be played with any size of figure, and has an adjustable ground scale and figure ratio, depending on what size and type of game you want to play. I have played it using 15mm and 20mm figures, but it would work just as well with 6mm (with very minimal tinkering to the casualty system, as you'd probably want more than three figures on a stand at that scale), I reckon.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Crimean%20Bungling/4Fields.jpg)
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Crimean%20Bungling/2OldFigures.jpg)
Very enjoyable game. Bad news: Out of Print. Sorry. :(
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I was going to suggest Black Powder, but then again, isn't that just another Warmaster modification, when it comes down to it?
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I was going to suggest Black Powder, but then again, isn't that just another Warmaster modification, when it comes down to it?
'tis warmaster I think. Honestly haven't read it though. I a bit weary of rules that are too generic at the moment.
I will try to see if Fields of Honour is available somewhere somehow. I'm thinking 6mm should give me the opportunity to represent some action at 1:1 :` lol
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Battle for Empire, I used these for Zulu and it produces a great game and set of rules, units are company based with 4 stands making a unit.
D6 but units have a table for each nation/tribal group and movment morale combat is based on this. I whole heartedly recommend these to anyone
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For Fields of Honor in 6mm the only thing you would have to do is say that each stand can take three hits (or two for cavalry, four for artillery), regardless of the number of tiny 6mm men on it (the number of figures on a stand is how many hits it can take normally). Three 6mm figures to a stand would look silly. Easily done and wouldn't actually alter the gameplay at all.
I was going to do 6mm ACW using this method years ago, but found 6mm painting rather unfulfilling and not to my taste so gave up.
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Almost any set will work with the right modifications I would think.
Irregular Miniatures produce a "Colonial Rulebox" I think - literally rules on the back of a set of post cards - I've tried the ancients version which was fun and designed for 6mm figures.
With regards painting - I found 6mm figures the easiest to do as it's more giving an impression of detail rather than multiple shading and highlight on each item of uniform.
vT
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The obvious ones for me are "Battles For Empire". Quick, easy, company-sized units.
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I ordered the "Science vs. Pluck" set now.. don't know what came over me, but I thought it sounded interesting. And it was available.
I'll probably base after another system anyway, so I can try out all the variables.. lol
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Science vs. Pluck is an odd cross between a role-playing game and a war game. The players are all British officers vs. umpire-controlled Mahdists. Designed for Sudan games, but no reason why it couldn't be used for the Zulu War. I have a copy and it is a rather good read, but as yet have not played it. It strikes me that one could actually play it without figures at all, the same way I ran games when we used to do role-playing.
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Principles of War works great with 6mm as you use bases (9cm x 4cm for Zulus) with as many figures as you like. No casualty removal until the whole base routs/dies.
(Of course, as co-author I am a tad bias!)
John
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Boooooooooooooring post, but I have a load of "6mm" Baccus figs lying around and want to put them to good use. Lately the colonial era really has got the better of me..
BUT
I don't want to use just another warmaster modification. lol
Well, since you have the Baccus figures, it seems a shame to not use their Polemos rules... ;)
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Well, since you have the Baccus figures, it seems a shame to not use their Polemos rules... ;)
They're doing a Colonial supplement I think. So I'll hold until it sees light.
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The mighty Sword and the Flame
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sword_and_The_Flame (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sword_and_The_Flame)
http://www.zeitcom.com/majgen/924tsatf.home.html (http://www.zeitcom.com/majgen/924tsatf.home.html)
Accept no expensive substitutes
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Check out Cat10Woldes Zulu rules, using 3 figures on a base.
(at 10mmWorld)
It would work, and the rules are fine.
I say TSATF, use 20 based units with a few figures on each, or something). TSATF and the LAF's own T&T are my favs.
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Maidstone and District Wargames Club ran a show game a couple of years ago using 6mm Zulu's and a simple yet innovative set of home made rules. The game was very good and had real flavour, so much so that I bought lead (that is still unpainted).
I have found the rules, if you want them just shout.
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You probably don't want to individually base them I assume? If you did, Chris Feree's isandhlwana and Rourkes Drift rules are brilliant (and free)
But with TSATF, four figures per base, a 20 base unit plus some comand and sgts would be a 1/1 company. pretty cool, eh?
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Well now I did my first stands and as you see... I've switched to Sudan altogether. lol
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_YgOzHmVzYc0/TUHgb928_OI/AAAAAAAADBY/ljAVS2Vis-I/s912/P1190265.JPG)
I'm basing in anticipation of a Polemos Colonial war set that's going to be out whenever.
(I forgot to paint the mahdist shields... but will do it... at some point!)
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(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_YgOzHmVzYc0/TUbtuyO6D4I/AAAAAAAADB8/tFA6z07SBck/s912/P1190276.JPG)
Expanded the Englanders.. it feels really great to paint so much so fast. lol
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Small pedantic correction to Mr Smirnoff...the club who ran the Zulu game were the Maidenhead and District Wargamers(MADGamers) and not the Maidstone oojamaflip...Berkshire has higher standards than Kent don't you know lol
My old club so just wanted to put the record straight
Cheers
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Only just noticed this post. Fantastic figures.
I also vote TSATF. Although, you'll probably end up (as I have) modifying it beyond recognition.
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Only just noticed this post. Fantastic figures.
I also vote TSATF. Although, you'll probably end up (as I have) modifying it beyond recognition.
I guess I'll have to look into it now.. group pressure and all.
I'm doing Science vs Pluck first though. Just to get things going (already bought them). And Polemos if it ever comes out. lol
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These are really beautiful!!! Looking forward to the next update! :-*
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These are really beautiful!!! Looking forward to the next update! :-*
Thank you! The Mahdi's own camelry should be getting a bit stronger tomorrow. lol
But I'm beginning to run out of miniatures. I might even have to buy some! Goes a little against my plan of painting stuff that I've been hauling for at least 2+ years.
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my plan of painting stuff that I've been hauling for at least 2+ years.
What a novel idea. I might give that a go...
lol
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Goes a little against my plan of painting stuff that I've been hauling for at least 2+ years.
Only 2+ years! Lightweight! :D
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(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_YgOzHmVzYc0/TUbtuyO6D4I/AAAAAAAADB8/tFA6z07SBck/s912/P1190276.JPG)
Expanded the Englanders.. it feels really great to paint so much so fast. lol
These look great. As mainly a 28mm painter who has dabbled in 6mm in the past, I agree there is a real satisfaction to knocking out smaller-scale models in droves. Not that these are 'knocked out'...nice work, sir!
I found that 6mm works well for periods where it's easy to distinguish the two sides due to uniform, formation etc - the Sudan seems ideal for this. Not so good for Dark Ages, where you have two hordes of brown men with brown clothes and shields....
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I think you're spot on. I was contemplating Vikings vs. Saxons at a point... but the minis just don't seem easy to differentiate at this scale. I might give it ago anyway and just apply my 'usual historical hacksaw'. lol
Another 'era' that should work a treat with 6mm would be Roman times. That is if you believe that the Romans had a uniform appearance (which I don't) ;)
Either way I think the spirit of the Sudan campaign is easily transportable to 6mm. At least I hope.
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(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_YgOzHmVzYc0/TUkskBh2COI/AAAAAAAADC0/rHUT0HMnvIU/s912/P1190291.JPG)
The Mahdi camelry in all it's splendour. :)
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I am so tempted, even looked at Baccus' site. I'd forgotten how cheap that this scale is..... o_o
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They look brilliant :-* :-* :-*
Can't wait to see more.
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I am so tempted, even looked at Baccus' site. I'd forgotten how cheap that this scale is..... o_o
It's a bit fiddly at first, but I think it's the right scale for 'battles'. I think you should just go ahead. ;D
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Less than £70 for two armies.......... :o
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I'm seriously considering this scale as well, although I must admit I've yet to be convinced that the Sudan can be wargamed realistically beyond the company level.
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I don't know, looking at the large open battles in WI said 6mm to me.......... 8) 8)
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Hmm painting has stalled due to the arrival of Saul David's "Victoria's Wars: The Rise of Empire" which I'm now busy reading... did manage some silly business (VSF) earlier but that's about it.
Expect to return to 6mm colonials as soon as my reserves from Baccus arrive.
Interestingly the book has made me think about the first Anglo Afghan war.. lol
Did the British uniforms of that campaign differ from those of Napoleonic times at all ?
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Yes, although in 6mm only the bell-topped shako would stand out. ::)
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If you've seen Perry twins Carlist War Brits then the uniforms in the First Afghan War are quite similar to that.
Being a nitpicking button-counter I think they are very different to Napoleonic era uniforms. A Danish person with a background in VSF might think they look pretty much the same. It's all relative. lol
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Anyone read Saul David?
Just ordered his 'Zulu Hart' or whatever... I'm thinking Colonial Sharpe. We'll see when it gets here. :D ;D
If you've seen Perry twins Carlist War Brits then the uniforms in the First Afghan War are quite similar to that.
Being a nitpicking button-counter I think they are very different to Napoleonic era uniforms. A Danish person with a background in VSF might think they look pretty much the same. It's all relative. lol
That's fair. Although you have it the wrong way around. I bought colonial models way before VSF ever even entered my thoughts. Just never got around to play it.
I've had Zulu in 28mm, 15mm, 10mm (gave them away - but the bloke never got further than me) and now I'm finally in 6mm. I'm sure I'll visit 28mm colonial again though. Just not really sure when or when (what period). lol
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Oooooh, they are great! :o
Would you mind sharing your colour and basing recipe and maybe some WIP photos? ???
I've always struggled with this small scale, although I really like the look of it and hope to get some Baccus stuff soon.
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Anyone read Saul David?
Just ordered his 'Zulu Hart' or whatever... I'm thinking Colonial Sharpe. We'll see when it gets here. :D ;D
I've read his book about Lord Cardigan "The Homicidal Earl" which I enjoyed, but I haven't read any of his novels. In fact until today I didn't know he had started writing novels. As I recall he was one of the experts on "Time Commanders" a computer-wargaming TV show that was very entertaining, as it always descended into petty bickering between the contestants when everything went tits-up.
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Anyone read Saul David?
Just ordered his 'Zulu Hart' or whatever... I'm thinking Colonial Sharpe. We'll see when it gets here. :D ;D
I've read Zulu Hart and quite enjoyed it, but I'm not overly fussy where my novels or movies are concerned. I believe Saul David recently released the second in the series titled 'Hart of Empire' where Hart heads off to Afghanistan to try and prevent an Afghan uprising.
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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_YgOzHmVzYc0/TVUBdZ68EOI/AAAAAAAADKc/l7nK67fEou4/s912/P1190475.JPG)
Finished 3 more British bases and the first of the Egyptians that have just arrived.
Here's a group shot of the entire thing so far:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_YgOzHmVzYc0/TVUBd_3grZI/AAAAAAAADKg/y16rLc1WG9U/s912/P1190485.JPG)
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They look terrific!
I do love nicely painted 6mm armies and I have spent many an hour at the Baccus site pouring over their wonderful minis.
But ever time I get close to actually buying something, the thought of painting them and my eyes popping out of their sockets trying to do so, brings me back to reality.
The Egyptians, BTW, look particularly nice!
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Very nice indeed! :-*
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Thank you. I really love painting these miniatures.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_YgOzHmVzYc0/TVZEW5pJ2RI/AAAAAAAADLA/eyybNXact_0/s912/P1190486.JPG)
Hadendowah infantry.. I love these! I want a tonne! lol
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_YgOzHmVzYc0/TVZEXBHKhZI/AAAAAAAADLE/fB-nRSyo1w0/s912/P1190499.JPG)
Ready to slaughter an Egyptian line... saw 'Khartoum' last night - or at least the start,.,. my mother and my wife fell asleep almost immediately so I decided that I could watch it alone at some other point... :?
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_YgOzHmVzYc0/TVZEXQjmlcI/AAAAAAAADLI/FeXtDI3u6-o/s800/P1190500.JPG)
Close up of the infantry... just to show my blindfold work. I didn't know the belts were supposed to be black, so I'll be redoing that another day. Did get the mustaches on though. lol
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Stunning, they look more like 15mm. Cracking job, Grommit! :-*
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I'm confused - did ALL Royal Artillery units wear blue uniforms?
Even in the Sudan?
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Whilst not an expert, it seems that uniforms varied a lot in the Sudan, some units even wearing the red tunic on occassion. Here is the Perry's link:
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/index2.html
Their painting sggests a grey uniform without puttees was worn by the RA, but then they say:
16. Royal Artillery
This is their probable uniform at El Teb. A Forester’s drawing of the battle of Ginniss depicts them in what looks to be a mix of home service dark blue trousers and either dark blue or khaki frocks. Puttees are either dark blue or khaki.
So you pays your money you takes your choice. It seems that no uniform is really wrong.........
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Fantastic stuff, T.
I dunno how you can paint those tiny wee tom-tiddlers so well, giving such little things such charm and character. Microscope strapped to your head?
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(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_YgOzHmVzYc0/TVq2J2X4HnI/AAAAAAAADM0/DPotHYcnZzk/s912/P1190521.JPG)
Add it up!
- Violent Femmes
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Absolutely amazing! :-* :-*
What colour undercoat do you use?
Cheers
Kieran
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(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_YgOzHmVzYc0/TVq2J2X4HnI/AAAAAAAADM0/DPotHYcnZzk/s912/P1190521.JPG)
Add it up!
- Violent Femmes
Needless to say, your 6mm are better painted than my 28mm lol
Sad, really ::)
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Absolutely amazing! :-* :-*
What colour undercoat do you use?
Cheers
Kieran
Depends really. For the Egyptians white is the better choice, for the Brtiish I'd have used grey if I had one, but that's not really an option here, so I went for black.
And thanks! lol
Needless to say, your 6mm are better painted than my 28mm lol
Sad, really ::)
Aaarh hardly. I think 6mm has a tendency to look the part when you show it in mass. Your mind sort of fills in the blanks and makes it look pretty.
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Aaarh hardly. I think 6mm has a tendency to look the part when you show it in mass. Your mind sort of fills in the blanks and makes it look pretty.
Wellllll.....
Your 6mm:
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_YgOzHmVzYc0/TVZEXQjmlcI/AAAAAAAADLI/FeXtDI3u6-o/s800/P1190500.JPG)
My 28mm:
(http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr255/the_gluteus_maximus/Sudan_move_tray3.jpg?t=1298970133)
'nuff said! lol
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Both groups of figures are good for gaming, who looks that closely on the table? :D
Some of my stuff is embarassing, but I decided that, with my backlog, getting it on the table is more important. ::)
Like many wargamers, I suspect, the only alternative is to dump unstarted projects......... :o
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Forget the viking board, we're doing Sudan in September! lol
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I, too, am tempted by Sudan, but wavering between Baccus, Pendraken and Perry.............. :-X
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I, too, am tempted by Sudan, but wavering between Baccus, Pendraken and Perry.............. :-X
If you do it in 6mm, you can easily hide it away ;)
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Very beautiful miniatures Mr. Viking ! Especially the painting.
The bases look a bit thick to me.
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If you do it in 6mm, you can easily hide it away
As if.............. lol
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Forget the viking board, we're doing Sudan in September! lol
Haha. Yes all I need before it's done is just a set of rules, four times as many miniatures and some terrain! Easy! lol
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Haha. Yes all I need before it's done is just a set of rules, four times as many miniatures and some terrain! Easy! lol
You got several months! ;)
Besides, its only 6mm, so we can probably put some small pellets on the board and pretend that they're crazy mahdis lol