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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: Hammers on 09 February 2011, 12:45:53 PM
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...well, they are used to so I am sure they feel no pain.
(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1640813a_99120209023_Arachnarok01_873x627.jpg)
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Another quick browse produces this shelf decoration:
(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1570071a_99120206012_SkavenHellpit1_873x627.jpg)
I can really see what it is supposed to be. Skaven something...
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I have to admit, I quite like the spider, doesn't fit with the look of my goblinoids but I like it.
The Skaven chaos spawn is meh.
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Another quick browse produces this shelf decoration:
I can really see what it is supposed to be. Skaven something...
Well in their defence it fits its name quite well, "hellpit abomination"
But yea, my girlfriend has been waiting for that spider ever since the rumours of it started and probably has pre-ordered it by now.
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I don't remember that three storey tall spider from the army list, are we harkening back to the good old days when gw focused on releasing miniatures first and worrying about rules later?
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The new army book is in the same preorder list as the spider, so rules will be available the day the mini itself is.
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The new army book is in the same preorder list as the spider, so rules will be available the day the mini itself is.
A new O&G book again? This will be the third my army has had, and it's only been out on the tabletop once...
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Hey at least its not another flavour of space marines. And from what I hear on warseer the rules will be quite nice as well.
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I may get that spider and then get Kev Adams to resculpt the faces on all the goblins. ;D
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A new O&G book again? This will be the third my army has had, and it's only been out on the tabletop once...
Then I guess you need to play more often, I believe O&G were in need of a rules update 8)
I like the spider, and the resurrection of forest goblins in general 8)
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I really like the crab! :)
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Then I guess you need to play more often
Well there is that too... ::)
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Not liking the Abomination (looks like a naked mole rat with gubbins stuck on, which I suppose it is supposed to), but it might be a reasonable basis for further conversion.
Big ol' crab-spider is OK, would love to see some more love for some of the more long-neglected armies (Tomb Kings, Wood Elves, dare I say it Chaos Dwarves) before yet another endless iteration of Dwarves/Orcs/Empire.
Dark Elves have been crying out for more/better core plastics for like a decade now! :-[
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The hellpit thingi sucks big time as far as I am concerned. And the spider is... okayish at best. I hate this development of larger and weirder miniatures as a must have to play any army. Let's face it, how far is this skaven thing going to move before falling to pieces? How close to any known battlefields are they stitching it together? Skaven have so far always been an army of countless worthless runts and that's the way they should stay.
The same holds true for the spider... what does it do/eat where does it live when it's not on the battlefield? How many of these spiders exist?
If these models were severly limited in the army (one maximum per battle) and only in conjunction with certain character types at least the background would somehow seem not quite as ridiculous. Having read a battlereport in a White Dwarf about the Skaven thing I was really turned off.
Warhammer Fantasy's quality to me has always been the combination of our world with a dark fantasy part in it. These models are neither realistic nor dark but just stupid and big - like toys for 2-years-old kids... BORING!
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I fear I have to agree with doomhippie a bit, I quite like the spider (and you wont catch me saying otherwise where the girl can hear/read it :D) But I have to say I'm a bit miffed by it. Forest goblins have pretty much been around always and you will find mention of them throughout warhammer history, the same goes for their riding spiders as far as I'm concerned. But these huge spiders are a bit out there, you know the empire might be underpopulated in the great forests but you would figure they would've known about these things for a while. I mean are they only now realising there are 3 story tall spiders in their forests?
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I may get that spider and then get Kev Adams to resculpt the faces on all the goblins. ;D
Kev must love you! lol
I quite like this breed of Goblin faces. I really enjoyed painting up my Night Gobbos from skull pass.
Luckily, GW are re-releasing the old metal Fanatics (not the Kev Adams ones), I have some of those and a number of the more recent ones. :)
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I'm afraid I can't comment on what they did to my poor Goblins without going into a flaming rant.
While I still like quite a lot of what the Citadel Guys produce, G.W. is just in it for the $s, & their target group of consumers are lads of around 12; ergo, BIG creatures & the new MEGA army of the month are the way to go...of course, that is just my opinion such as it is.
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I know which side my bread is buttered Goblin-wise - Long live the Goblinmaster! :D
Got to agree about the mega armies - all a bit OTT and no GSOH... ::)
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are we harkening back to the good old days when gw focused on releasing miniatures first and worrying about rules later?
it sounds pretty impossible to me.
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<snip> I mean are they only now realising there are 3 story tall spiders in their forests?
Maybe glasses haven't been invented yet?
Since I am a known GW "hater" (so I am told) I won't go farther than that.
I don't want to see the flies it catches... or any other "prey" species...
Gracias,
Glenn
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That spider will look great once I get some Kevin Adams Goblins on it. Oh wait,... I could just buy a big plastic spider down the store and make a howdah for ten bucks.
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Meh... that's just fscked up! =( GW are raping Warhammer worse than George Lucas raped Star Wars with the prequels. These are the model equivalents of fast paced editing, loads of CGI explosions and extensive blue screen acting. No soul. =(
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I don't want to see the flies it catches... or any other "prey" species...
maybe goblins?
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One alternate option woult be the new sopider from otherworld with a scratch built howda on..may look better than a plastic toy spider.
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So in character with Games Workshop stuff, its just so OTT its getting rather boring, sure the kits and sculpts are great, but the prices are not and there is not the time nor the attic space to park more crap for WH that we eventually get bored with and can no longer be bothered to paint.
GW is like a dying sun, first it will get -very- big and then it will slowly collapse into itself like a neutron star. I don't find their stuff really appealing anymore, and I am planning of selling the GW stuff I have.
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maybe goblins?
Turns out you were right
(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1550165a_SpiderBase_1XL.jpg)
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But apparently it likes to strip them, make them cross their arms and gag them first... :?
They'd look better trussed up like Frodo after his encounter with Shelob...
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Turns out you were right
hehe, probably for the spider the tower is a sort of backpack full of snacks! like at school :P
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I really quite like all the upcoming Orc & Goblin releases. The complaint that they look like toys is a bit odd from a forum that features loads of projects using toys from Poundland and the like. ;)
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I really quite like all the upcoming Orc & Goblin releases. The complaint that they look like toys is a bit odd from a forum that features loads of projects using toys from Poundland and the like. ;)
Perhaps the differnce is Poundland arent asking 30 to 50 quid for a plastic spider?
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I had to go into the local GW to get some more washes (the Shoggoth maxed out my green).
Was faced with the usual stupidly obvious statement:
Customer buys paint: So how's your painting going?
Good. Is my reply.
Points to big plastic spider kit and says: What do you think of our new spider!?!?!?!?!?
It's big. Is my reply.
I then leave.
The spider itself would be interesting but the rest of the rubbish it's attached to, plus I never did get native american goblins myself, (forest goblins my arse!!!).
Can't see myself buying any new GW stuff this year either, that's five years on the trot (apart from oop stuff and LOTR from ebay).
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can't say I like the spider -
but I do like the savage orcs which are released at the same time - useful for primitive martians for vsf games or a lost valley type game back home or for orkish colonial type games with my 40K orks or they could even be used in fantasy games! All in all a usefull release.
vT
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I really quite like all the upcoming Orc & Goblin releases. The complaint that they look like toys is a bit odd from a forum that features loads of projects using toys from Poundland and the like. ;)
I have nor problems with toys per se. I'm personally just not fond of the "big is better" attitude GW sells. Goblins are great and I don't mind forest goblins (though other gobbos are way cooler IMHO). I even can picture them riding on spiders (however apart from Shelob I have yet to see a very convincing spider model). I just don't like this development of putting ever larger monsters on the table. Every 100 model goblin raiding party is now all the sudden going to have this spider along.
I can just hear the veteran soldiers talking about these monsters before the battle:
"Oh great, another unknown, gigantic, world-ending, fire-spitting, spell-using behemoth. When was the last time we actually had to fight any goblins? Hey, remember the unknown, gigantic, ice-spitting, spell-using demon of total and utter destruction we faced last week? And the (repeat enumeration but substitute ice-spitting with XY-spitting) thing the week before? And... (ad infinitum)?"
"Yeah, it's getting boring here. Let's invent flying machines, fly to the stars and see if we can find a planet that has just ordinary gobbos on it. Maybe things will be a bit less hectic there."
I mean, let's face it, the Empire is about the only hordes army that is left when actually they should be the proud few to hold back endless goblin, beastmen or chaoshordes. Soemwhere the rules and game design has gone in a totally different direction.
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I mean, let's face it, the Empire is about the only hordes army that is left when actually they should be the proud few to hold back endless goblin, beastmen or chaoshordes. Soemwhere the rules and game design has gone in a totally different direction.
That is if you don't take into consideration the steam tank and those huge contraptions shown in the rulebook, betcha those will be on for the next empire release. ;D
On an up note, the new horde rule is a pretty big step up for large units, making large units of little green men a bit more useful, spider or no.
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Was chatting with a friend on the dog-and-bone last night. When the new O&G army book and minis came up for discussion he pointed out that it now costs £18 for 10 plastic Orc Boyz (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440079a&prodId=prod900162a). I choked. Exsqueeze me? A baking powder?? So that's £54 for a unit of 30 PLASTIC Orc Boyz? I don't wish to upset anyone, but who in their right mind buys this stuff any more? Who can bloody-well afford it, for God's sake? I don't moan about much hobby-wise, but GW's prices are so extreme as to almost comical.
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That there my friend is the reason I only collect the elite armies of GW games. Well, specialist games aside.
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Well, if their models are getting bigger and bigger, might we hope for some TrueScale Marines? ???
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Well, if their models are getting bigger and bigger, might we hope for some TrueScale Marines? ???
I wouldn't hold your breath, have you seen the new bloodraven?
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The new dropship? Yes, but I meant infantry ;)
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As much as many of us hate GW, we also have to face the fact that it's the only way many of us get to play a real opponent and as yet no one has done any solo rules that I like (THW I'm looking at you!) I'm a bit stuck with GW.
Duncan
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As much as many of us hate GW, we also have to face the fact that it's the only way many of us get to play a real opponent and as yet no one has done any solo rules that I like (THW I'm looking at you!) I'm a bit stuck with GW.
Duncan
sadly, that's true, and you are right.
but as orthodox gamer, i still don't use gw stuff, and for that reason i play 1-2 times per year..... :(
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Maybe the Spiders should rebel, cleanse the planet of Goblins and other fantastical miscreants and then create a vast spaceship and explore brave knew avenues of why GW should make its figures cheaper. Why making stuff more expensive will cut of a lot of gamers especially with the current economic situation!
Then again the spiders will probably take immediate critical strikes when they enter a GW store and get bombarded by the usual GW staff trying to sell them all sorts of rubbish the spider never f***ing wanted! And after they have survived the artillery barrage of incessant questions that take on the character of "Clearly you walking into our shop makes you a Games Workshop fan who has an army and plays all our games!" their fighting morale will be that badly broken they won't have the strength to ask why the prices keep going up!!
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I am no GW basher by any means. I love lots of things they have done and even if I don't like all of their stuff and find certain developments rather boring (like creating bigger, better and more boring monsters every other month) I think they also created some of the best miniatures and loads of fun games. I absolutely wouldn't mind playing a little WH fantasy now and then - as long as it is not seen as a competition but more of a story telling affair. That's for me the key element to having fun on the tabletop...
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This situation clearly asks for a "Very Warhammer Civil War" ;D
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I'd actually have a battle between my Mantic Elves and my Warhammer Goblins, however the Great Chief of the Goblin Horde cannot afford to fund an army large enough to take on the already sizeable Elven Empire forces given his arms supplier charges so much, so has reverted to simply running away!
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...would love to see some more love for some of the more long-neglected armies (Tomb Kings, Wood Elves, dare I say it Chaos Dwarves) ...
Tomb Kings redux in May
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I think it's somewhat hilarious that they're not only making the plastics far more expensive (defeats the purpose of buying them in the first place), but also re-doing perfectly good plastic sets to conform with their "gotta make 'em more like Rescue Heroes" (http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/54/42/kifmToysAllRescue_Heroes_Wilderness_Force_Rocky_Canyon_775281-resized200.jpg (http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/54/42/kifmToysAllRescue_Heroes_Wilderness_Force_Rocky_Canyon_775281-resized200.jpg)) company policy. Honestly, have you seen the new beastmen plastics? Rather than intimidating forest-stalkers, they now look like intelligent goats; ones who saw "Jersey Shore" and started juicing...after shaving all their fur off of course. Just look at their plastic minotaurs and tell me that's what a minotaur is supposed to look like.
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Considering Minotaurs don't exist: No, I don't know what one is supposed to look like. :)
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i think he is referring to the big 3-in-a-box beastman, awfully painted and not really nice.
i agree that the beastman have been forgotten for years, i don't see them on the battlefield, neither on painting desks of my painter friends...
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I'd actually have a battle between my Mantic Elves and my Warhammer Goblins, however the Great Chief of the Goblin Horde cannot afford to fund an army large enough to take on the already sizeable Elven Empire forces given his arms supplier charges so much, so has reverted to simply running away!
Sounds like your Goblins need to start using guerilla tactics - small scale hit & run attacks on isolated pointy eared outposts could be entertaining scenarios, ambush supply columns etc. Have a look at historical examples of assymetric forces clashing for other scenario ideas.
vT
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Sounds like your Goblins need to start using guerilla tactics - small scale hit & run attacks on isolated pointy eared outposts could be entertaining scenarios, ambush supply columns etc. Have a look at historical examples of assymetric forces clashing for other scenario ideas.
vT
Ze problem is that the Elves can afford so large armies, even their outhouses have a battalion of troops guarding them!
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Well, Elf guano is supposedly one of the best fertilizers in the world... lol
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Considering Minotaurs don't exist: No, I don't know what one is supposed to look like. :)
lol lol Touche sir, touche.
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Ze problem is that the Elves can afford so large armies, even their outhouses have a battalion of troops guarding them!
lol
Oh, by the Maker, I love where this thread is going!
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lol
Oh, by the Maker, I love where this thread is going!
I don't. I didn't mean it to bee another general GW rant. >:D
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Yes, let's try to stay clear of turning this into the umptheenth GW-rant.
I wouldn't want to have to lock this thread and send you all to the backroom for a spanking. >:D
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I don't see much in the way of ranting here. Some people just expressed their disapointment with the presented models. However, I guess these opinions have now been made public and that's all there is to say about it, I would think.
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I wouldn't want to have to lock this thread and send you all to the backroom for a spanking. >:D
You can't spank the catgirl... the tail gets in the way! ;D
Besides, catgirls usually do all the SPANCing. ;)
Aaaanyway. Spider looks okay, might make for a nice boss monstrosity for whatever game since I don't play Warhammer. Of course, those silly goblins coming with it are practically useless, but that's why armies have a "cannon fodder" department.
Of course, the howdah thingy they come with might make for a neat boat with slight conversion work. Then it'd come to a game of Goblin overboard, with the last goblin sailing being the winner.
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I don't play WH, so I can't comment on what these mean in that context. As always I'm thinking about how useful these would be for any game (never understood the tendency to pigeonhole specific minis to specific games and vice versa)
The rat creature looks interesting. With some mods I can imagine that having some good uses in the Gothic Horror or Lovecraft sections. Too expensive for a plastic kit, though IMO.
The spider is not of interest to me. I'm interested in giant spiders, but this one is too cartoony, too expensive, and comes with too much stuff I'd never use (driving an already high price higher). I've already got a $4.00 toy spider that looks better to my eye. I guess it's for WH fans who want the goblins, and those weird dudes who get the twitches whenever someone dares to use a non GW model in a GW game.
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I quite like it and can't wait to get one...
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I don't play WH, so I can't comment on what these mean in that context. As always I'm thinking about how useful these would be for any game (never understood the tendency to pigeonhole specific minis to specific games and vice versa)
I wholeheartedly agree - I never get the "it's made for these rules so I can't use it for anything else" attitude. As I said before the upcoming Savage Orc models could make alternative primitive martians or lost valley denizens etc before even looking at their use in fantasy.
vT
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While I agree that kind of attitude is daft, I often see Kroot or whatever in VSF games and can't think of them as anything but Kroot. That's the only issue with certain models - that they're already cemented into a specific setting in your head. Well, that's me anyway.
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True, sadly. There's exceptions to every rule. I don't think a Terminator Marine will ever look like anything else to me. Kind of like how William Shatner will always be Captain Kirk... err... like how Robert Englund will always be Freddy Kreuger...
...Dammit. You know what I mean. Like how Mr. T Will always be B.A. Baracas.. maybe? Ok now I'm thinking about a Terminator Marine with big gold chains around its neck and "Pity the Poor Fool" inscribed on its pauldron (Aleph Squad?). I think it's time for me to go to bed.
I wholeheartedly agree - I never get the "it's made for these rules so I can't use it for anything else" attitude. As I said before the upcoming Savage Orc models could make alternative primitive martians or lost valley denizens etc before even looking at their use in fantasy.
vT
And there's those blokes who won't buy any figures that don't have their own rulebook.
Just as Seven Samurai can be recast as a western or a space opera, so too can an ancient temple full of statues that come alive to menace Indiana Quartermain and his sidekicks be recast as a evil corporate bio lab full of monsters in growth tanks waiting to menace Alice Ripley and her mercenary tag-alongs. And just 'cause your planet's got a raging case of the 'nids doesn't mean your marines have to wear iron bell bottoms.
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Can just see the old advert now...
"Got nids? You need iron bell bottoms!"
I don't get the abomination. Scrunch up some foil over a wire frame, whack some magic sculpt over it and stick some leftover rat bits into it, and you'll save yourself a bucket.
I think the spider kit looks kiddish and awkward. Compare to, say, the Grenadier orc carrying war giant, it looks more like a childrens party on an inflatable spider.
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Ze problem is that the Elves can afford so large armies, even their outhouses have a battalion of troops guarding them!
Indeed! The Elves will just deploy in an USSR/American/Roman styled deployment and drown out Great Goblin Chiefs with immense Oil stain tactics! (Did counter insurgency last semester at Uni for War studies!)
The Elves after all have enough War machines and Dragons to pound them small Goblin villages to dust!
Mr Hollownose the Goblin Chief of course has wondered whether obtaining the services of the other Older Warhammer Goblin and Orc hordes roaming the attic is a possibility but we all know how unpredictable tribal relations are these days.
As for Elven Guano, am told it depends on the Elf, like wood elf guano must be instant fertilizer, where as High Elven poop is like pixie dust and unicorns... Which must be painful.
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That would certainly help explain their attitude.
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I've not played Fantasy for years but I still like to keep an eye on what the evil empire are up to and I do still like a fair bit of the background, well when they aren't ruining it with terrible retcons.
Now I played Greenskins for some 15 years when I did still play and through all of those years I wished for plastic Savage Orcs. Now they finally get released and for plastic models the price is just rediculous, £18 (and no doubt there will be price rises soon) for 10 plastic models is disgusting. The actual models themselves look okay but something about them just doesn't seem as powerful as the previous metal ones, perhaps it's just the poses, or less detail in the muscles because they are plastic.
With Forest Goblins I'm in a really odd position, I love the character of the goblins, the tribal look is great, but I am no fan at all of the spiders or really the spider theme in general.
For that reason I would much rather have seen a box packed with Forest Goblins on foot that I could have used to make a tribe that worshiped a different creature, that would either have been enough to get me back into Fantasy, or atleast try to pick up a box from an online retailer with a discount to use in small skirmish games.
The massive spider really just seems like another "hey buy our big kit its awesome" thing. It feels like with every army book they release there is another big monster kit, usually with pretty powerful rules that make them must have if playing Warhammer. No doubt this thing is HUGE...coming in at £36, some £10 more than the likes of the plastic giant and stegadon...but even setting aside my dislike of spiders the price tag, as is usual for the EE is rather steep.
As for the Hellpit Abomination, dear me it is like someone melted down a box of the minotaurs and took the resulting mess away to be cast up.
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I love looking at GW models. I of course do not buy any of them. I can make my own stuff, and so I do. I like modelling with plastic, but the GW range seems to be very inconsistent in style. The orc boar riders dont match the savage orcs or the trolls, in my opinion. And the abomination just seems really rubbish.
I will however, be getting the army book. I have a ma-hoosive orc army and although I did buy the last army book and never played a single game with it, I love the images, stories and just general fun-ness of the books. I will buy it, then never play a game with it! haha
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I will however, be getting the army book. I have a ma-hoosive orc army and although I did buy the last army book and never played a single game with it, I love the images, stories and just general fun-ness of the books. I will buy it, then never play a game with it! haha
I can actually relate to that. GW certainly have their qualities and I do enjoy their background and a lot of the details they pour into it. I'm just not a fan of these "must-have" big monsters.
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I love looking at GW models. I of course do not buy any of them. I can make my own stuff, and so I do.
I'm kinda the same way. I can sculpt well enough to do big stuff like this for myself, it's the little 25-40mm stuff I'm still learning.
I'd very, very much recommend it to anyone. It's very liberating not to have to rely on what you can find to buy: if you want it, you can have it, and most often for less than it would cost to buy a hypothetical mini of the same (depends on your media of choice). It's also fun on a level well beyond that of painting alone. I actually stopped buying big stuff at all, 'cause even when I like something, I know I can just recreate it at home for less money and more satisfaction.
I'm just starting to get into toy wax, and it is awesome. Even though you have to cast it in something else in order to make it permanent, I don't think I'll ever be going back to polymer clay or epoxy for anything smaller than 40mm.
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Not a lot of ranting here - indeed, several people who have indicated they do not like one or both of these models noted that they buy a fair number of GW figs - they just don't like these one.
Myself, I like the Hellpit Abomination well enough. It does look like a hairless mutated rat, but it is supposed to. I really like the spider, though. I am going to see if I can fix it up where the howdah and gobbos can be removed when I just want a giant spider.
I have liked most of GW's recent fantasy releases. The minotaurs are an exception - I have yet to see a painted version where they look good. But the other beastmen releases that came out at the same time are quite nice, and I enjoyed painting them.
Love the new Skaven.
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I quite like the spider too... I'm not quite sure what purpose I'd put it to since I mostly play skirmish games... and I would be tempted to do something to make it have less of a 'face'. Supposedly the howdah can be left off without leaving gaping holes or pegs.
The rat thing... I like the concept but it's got some of the same badness going on as those nasty minotaurs do... not sure if it's the sculptor or some limitation of plastics.
(I saw some of those new minotaurs painted in a case at the store last week... they're pretty much crap in person as well).
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Generally speaking I like Citadel's plastic stuff, although the price increase does cut into how much. Some time ago I stopped thinking of their plastics as complete minis & started looking at them as components to kit-bash into unique pieces all my own. There's not enough usable stuff on these two to warrant purchasing.
The Spider isn't all that bad, but I like making my Mega-Fauna from the various plastic toy creatures available from craft stores et al....it's somehow more satisfying.
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Forgive a bit of tread necromancy here, but I fear I need to retract my previous statement.
My girlfriend got her oversized arachnid and army book a few days ago and I was surprised to find their was actually some background on why its only now we seeing these monsters around. Apparently there is a place called the black pit (Worst, name ever) also know as the pit of many eyes (now thats fine) which is a holy place to the spider worshipping forest goblins. The empire has been coming closer and closer to this place, which has gotten the goblins riled up enough to start awakening the older and larger of their deities, which has caused for the empire to send in more troops etz.
Oh and the model does look good in person, the owner of the local GW (only gw'er I have ever liked) was kind enough to point out the hard points in the build. (He's ok like that lol) The one his wife had done up for the store did look quite impressive.
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Did they managed to make the thing fit on the base it comes with though?
Because I'm yet to see a picture of one which does.
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Got the army book. Dissapointing. Recycled artwork and models. Ok, so the giant? Why have photos of the same paint job as the last book had? Why not paint another giant for the book? And 2 pages of the stupid spider in different colours? Lame.
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Got the army book. Dissapointing. Recycled artwork and models. Ok, so the giant? Why have photos of the same paint job as the last book had? Why not paint another giant for the book? And 2 pages of the stupid spider in different colours? Lame.
Especially some of the older models, for instance the ork boys could have done with a new paint job to at least disguise the fact they are older kits.
Oh and if you take a closer look at the larger group shots you will probably notice some units have been copied with the magic of photoshop. For instance there apparently are 3 studio spiders, but you can find pictures where there are 4 shown, with the one in the front and the one in the background looking rather similar.
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YPU, they have been photoshopping images like that for years. I'm sure it isn't that uncommon in the industry, or any other industry which uses imagery in this way.
I have to admit, recycled imagery is a bit of a shame but ahh well.
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Yeah, its just a bit lazy the way they do it though. Like, why not mess with the colours of the copied spider? Or for the units of boys, at lease use another actual photograph at a different angle with the models reearanged in order. Its just lazyness.
Can they honestly not afford a couple of grands worth of new images? Pish and balderdash. Bobbins!
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Games Workshop - Cheaply made merchandise made expensive.
The Boss knows the guy who -used- to work for Games Workshop down the road, and it seems the company is desparate to make cash at the expense of anybody save themselves. So I wouldn't be surprised if they recycled images etc, afterall it saves time and money and allows them to get out a pretty expensive codex/ruleset that every player has to buy because the last one they made a few months ago has become obselete.