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Miniatures Adventure => Weird Wars => Topic started by: Marauder on 29 July 2011, 10:57:47 PM
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Interesting announcement from Fantasy Flight Games:
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=2512
Hope its good!
-Tim
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Just what I've been waiting for! I will definitely give it a try, especially if it makes it possible to use some of the models I already own for that other related game... :-)
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Fingers crossed that it lives up to everyone's expectations.
I will definitely give it a try, especially if it makes it possible to use some of the models I already own for that other related game... :-)
You could always proxy them in to Dust Tactics - Star Troopers for Combat/Recon Rangers.
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ohhh... Andy Chambers....
I'll buy this!
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I am very interested, Andy's 1st edition Starship Trooper rules are IMO one of the best rulesets around.
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Agis, I agree with you...
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I really like the look of that sentinel/AT-ST/walker thing.
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Here's a bit of info from the ffg forums:
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp?efid=253&efcid=6&efidt=528398
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp?efid=253&efcid=6&efidt=531245
Seems it will be IGO UGO but there will be "reactions" to allow you to do things on your opponents turn. Uses the same dice and cards and unit stats. Looks like there will be a number of command related things and they are mixing up how vehicles work and such.
Sounds not bad. I would prefer if you could mix up the infantry units a bit (like pick how large they are and which special weapons they use etc), but we'll see how it goes.
-Tim
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Thanks for the link.
Hopefully the tanks/walkers will be better balanced by Oct. :)
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You all might have seen pictures elsewhere on the net, but if not here are a few I snapped of the new Dust heavy walkers at the FFG booth. As you can see by the size of the infantry near their feet, these things are massive and rather impressive looking.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bGnE6DzEKXM/TkB9TGcUPeI/AAAAAAAAATI/2SxemCo0jv0/s1600/Picture%2B015.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mOnaKTi0cAs/TkB9TTlH8rI/AAAAAAAAATQ/pvFx2n1Y4Fs/s1600/Picture%2B016.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Hwc2IoCb3qQ/TkB9Tw4PjRI/AAAAAAAAATY/unIHZs6dsoY/s1600/Picture%2B017.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QrWThKhmqAM/TkB9UFrPHiI/AAAAAAAAATg/IYRz2kXHUuo/s1600/Picture%2B018.jpg)
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Normally I really dislike 4 legged walkers, but these designs are just great.
:o 8)
The allied walker looks like a T28 Super Heavy Tank on legs!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/T-28-1.jpg/300px-T-28-1.jpg)
...while the German Königsluther and Sturmkönig remind me of E-100 / Maus designs.
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/E-100_Flak_1.jpg)
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The first two do nothing for me BUT I do like the look of the Punisher and the SturmKönig.
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the last one WOW :o the 6 legged ones are a bit weird not sure if its bad weird of good weird
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You all might have seen pictures elsewhere on the net, but if not here are a few I snapped of the new Dust heavy walkers at the FFG booth. As you can see by the size of the infantry near their feet, these things are massive and rather impressive looking.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bGnE6DzEKXM/TkB9TGcUPeI/AAAAAAAAATI/2SxemCo0jv0/s1600/Picture%2B015.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mOnaKTi0cAs/TkB9TTlH8rI/AAAAAAAAATQ/pvFx2n1Y4Fs/s1600/Picture%2B016.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Hwc2IoCb3qQ/TkB9Tw4PjRI/AAAAAAAAATY/unIHZs6dsoY/s1600/Picture%2B017.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QrWThKhmqAM/TkB9UFrPHiI/AAAAAAAAATg/IYRz2kXHUuo/s1600/Picture%2B018.jpg)
Must... get... one... of... them...
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the last one WOW :o the 6 legged ones are a bit weird not sure if its bad weird of good weird
I think it's very much "good weird." I at first gravitated towards the German walkers, but upon further inspection came to appreciate the Allied walkers quite a bit more. A lot of the design elements feel much more period appropriate and they felt as if they were heavily influenced by actual tank design - though I couldn't put my finger on why. Agis' picture of the T-28 solved that mystery for me. :)
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I like the allied waked a bot better then the german one, what is up with those legs? two freight crane legs and two spidery ones? how does that work?
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Those German walker's feet will sink right into any soft ground. Its like walking on spear tips.
Still like the original ones better,
Brian
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Those German walker's feet will sink right into any soft ground. Its like walking on spear tips.
Still like the original ones better,
Brian
Actually maybe that's the idea, like a artillery piece nailed in place only with the legs, that being said, I still don't like the look of them.
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Looking forward to Dust Warfare a lot. Just need to get around to painting Dust Tactics units now.
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I am very interested, Andy's 1st edition Starship Trooper rules are IMO one of the best rulesets around.
Well; most of the BF:Evo stuff is based on it. ;)
Andy has said on the FFG forums that there's a 99% chance FFG won't allow rules to be published for historical units outside what they sell, but that he would 'endorse' fan made rules for them. So no Shermans, Tigers or T34's alongside the walkers. :(
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No worries about mixing historical vehicles in with the new 1/56th scale Gear Krieg combat walkers!! Gear Krieg is the original dieselpunk Weird War setting, and we're finally going to get it up-scaled to 28mm over at Gears & Guts, a Company B spin-off! The first two walkers will be the US Combat Walker M11 "General Early" and the German PanzerKampfer V "Valkyrie." Next we'll release the Japanese Type 38 ShiKi walker, followed by the British Cavalier and Italian LC1/40. These have all been prototyped. Also on the workbench is a 28mm X-7 ATGM set (with crew), and the Kätzchen APC.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gears-Guts/229252220422916?sk=wall (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gears-Guts/229252220422916?sk=wall)
Here's a BATREP with the Gear Krieg vehicles mixed in with DUST mechs, historical stuff and some other odds and ends. This game was done with the upcoming new NUTS! War Without End weird war rules from Two Hour Wargames.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=30015.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=30015.0)
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj233/EasyEight_photos/NUTS_War_Without_End_front.jpg)
All this coming to you this September!
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Well; most of the BF:Evo stuff is based on it. ;)
Andy has said on the FFG forums that there's a 99% chance FFG won't allow rules to be published for historical units outside what they sell, but that he would 'endorse' fan made rules for them. So no Shermans, Tigers or T34's alongside the walkers. :(
I am of course perfectly aware of the tight connection between SST and BF:Evo ...
(Having written most WaW books) However the core SST has some very unique game mechanics that were missing in later Evo releases.
Anyway - the reluctance to produce historic vehicle stats come IMO from the HUGE amount of work to balance these right.
I have tons of spreadsheets with armour values etc. to get my Vehicle Compendiums and now my Technical Manuals right.
Maybe I should do a generic Weird War book that allows to combine both walkers and real life WWII vehicles, similar to the way my Gear Krieg books work.
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Not smart to have a limited or incomplete rulebook. Stick it all in there so the gamers can go wild. Buyers will get more for their cash and be allot more happy knowing they can use anything they want be it WWII or WWWII.
JMO,
Brian
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Maybe I should do a generic Weird War book that allows to combine both walkers and real life WWII vehicles, similar to the way my Gear Krieg books work.
Sounds absolutely great! Please do! I already have a couple of historic vehicles to go with my Dust Tactics/AT-43 walkers.
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Agis
As they say in Robocop. "I'd buy that for a dollar!"
Seriously, that would be an awesome book to have for Dust.
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I am of course perfectly aware of the tight connection between SST and BF:Evo ...
(Having written most WaW books) However the core SST has some very unique game mechanics that were missing in later Evo releases.
Anyway - the reluctance to produce historic vehicle stats come IMO from the HUGE amount of work to balance these right.
I have tons of spreadsheets with armour values etc. to get my Vehicle Compendiums and now my Technical Manuals right.
Maybe I should do a generic Weird War book that allows to combine both walkers and real life WWII vehicles, similar to the way my Gear Krieg books work.
Hence my winky. ;)
I love all your WaW expansions Agis; a generic book ala SotTR would be brilliant.
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On the flip side, it doesn't take much to do mods off your favorite rules for whatever you want to do without having someone else do it for ya. ;)
Brian
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I don't see FFG ever doing stats for models they aren't producing. That doesn't fit in their business model. They are very much into selling those miniatures and providing a set of rules that are fairly tournament focused as opposed to being more hobby focused - which most of the other WWWII games seem to be more geared towards.
I have lots of Dust models, and I'll pick up warfare to check it out, but I'll likely never play much - I've certainly never played Tactics either, although I did enjoy reading the books that came with the starter.
I have a 1:48 Tiger I to go with along with my axis models. There are so many games out their right now that you could use this stuff with - Defiance, Fast and Dirty, Fubar, Warengine, No Limits, Gruntz and SOTR just to name a few - all of those will let you add real world elements to our weird forces. I'm looking forward to NUTS and any weird supplements from VD. I'm even writing my own set of rules so that we can play with all our miniatures from various collections.
Honestly I think FFG has Dust nailed down exactly where they want it. If you are the type that wants to expand and go beyond, just take the cool walkers from them and move on to a ruleset that gives you all that you want. Plus we really don't need FFG to produce real tanks for us, there are so many of those for the all scales already!
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The upcoming new NUTS! War Without End weird war rules from Two Hour Wargames will have analog stats for all of the WW2 mecha out there, including "not" DUST mechs. You can also build your own vehicles. The rules are designed for the NUTS! system and in addition to WW2 mecha will have rules for all of the "heavy metal" for Allies and Axis (the various E-series German tanks, US T-28 superheavy, etc.), the X-7 ATGM, Night Vision systems, rocket packs, power armor suits, death rays, gas weapons, zombies, and super soldiers. You'll be able to use whatever figure or tank/mech you want with these rules to achieve the level of Weirdness in your games that you want.
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The upcoming new NUTS! War Without End weird war rules from Two Hour Wargames will have analog stats for all of the WW2 mecha out there, including "not" DUST mechs. You can also build your own vehicles. The rules are designed for the NUTS! system and in addition to WW2 mecha will have rules for all of the "heavy metal" for Allies and Axis (the various E-series German tanks, US T-28 superheavy, etc.), the X-7 ATGM, Night Vision systems, rocket packs, power armor suits, death rays, gas weapons, zombies, and super soldiers. You'll be able to use whatever figure or tank/mech you want with these rules to achieve the level of Weirdness in your games that you want.
Sounds amazing. Just to clarify - you need the core NUTS book for the rule mechanics and non-weird units and then get War without end for all the weird stuff right?
-Tim
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Hi Tim,
Yes, that's right. This is a supplement that let's you add weirdness to you WW2 period games. It also will have unit & equipment lists for all the major combatants -- US, UK, USSR, Germany, Italy and Japan. Oh, and it has helicopter rules... and the Hanebu. Plus like all NUTS books it has a number of scenario samples and a mini campaign. You can get the core NUTS rules for around $20 ( both PDF and printed) from Two Hour Wargames, War Without End will be priced similarly.
Best,
John
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Dust Warfare looks to be out. Choice retailers have it also already.
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I'll certainly buy a copy when I see it as I've a decent Axis force tuck away. Need to add some heavy class walkers and zombies as well.
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I didnt really feel interested in DUST but those pics on the first page look sweet and me thinks ill be droppin a bit of cash on them. do they come like a jigsaw puzzle that GW do or a solid piece.
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I will buy this. Not sure if I'll play it but I will buy it.
-Tim
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It's one of those things I would pick up. Already have someone into Dust Tactics so it would be worth it.
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I didnt really feel interested in DUST but those pics on the first page look sweet and me thinks ill be droppin a bit of cash on them. do they come like a jigsaw puzzle that GW do or a solid piece.
Miniatures come in a very few pieces*. I've just come into possession of two Heavy Panzer Walkers (which, along with the Allied equivalent, are the biggest vehicles available so far) and they come in ten pieces. Also, all miniatures come pre-primed. Just like in AT-43, vehicles are traditional hard plastic, infantry plastic is a little soft but not clix-bendy (I suspect they are done by the exactly same company as well).
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*) ETA: that go together without glue, although you might want to commit to that eventually as the plugs are just regulars plastic (not polycaps as in Japanese mecha stuff for example) and probably will wear out at some point.
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So does anyone have the book in their hands yet? Not sure if I'll have a chance to swing by my LGS this weekend to see if they have it.
-Tim
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Miniatures come in a very few pieces*. I've just come into possession of two Heavy Panzer Walkers (which, along with the Allied equivalent, are the biggest vehicles available so far) and they come in ten pieces. Also, all miniatures come pre-primed. Just like in AT-43, vehicles are traditional hard plastic, infantry plastic is a little soft but not clix-bendy (I suspect they are done by the exactly same company as well).
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*) ETA: that go together without glue, although you might want to commit to that eventually as the plugs are just regulars plastic (not polycaps as in Japanese mecha stuff for example) and probably will wear out at some point.
Did you buy them online? And could you post some pictures, comparing them to other ranges of miniatures? ;)
I think I may buy a couple of them to use in far-future scenarios instead of WWWII.
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Raxxus wanted a comparison shot of the German heavy panzer walker with any W40K Imperial Guard tank, and i happily obliged him. Here's one of the pictures (two more in that thread):
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i460/willypold/IMG_4024_mini.jpg)
If anyone is interested in more comparison shots between Dust, AT-43 and W40K vehicles and figures, just let me know and I'll see what I can add tomorrow. At the moment I have most of the Dust minis, except the heavy Allied walker, a fairly large horde of Red Blok (AT-43) and Imperial Guard and Space Marines to pick from.
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A pic is indeed worth a thousand words...that walker is one big fella. As I have a Chimera here, I don't need more comparisons photos, but thanks anyway! It will do nicely for what I want.
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If anyone is interested in more comparison shots between Dust, AT-43 and W40K vehicles and figures, just let me know and I'll see what I can add tomorrow. At the moment I have most of the Dust minis, except the heavy Allied walker, a fairly large horde of Red Blok (AT-43) and Imperial Guard and Space Marines to pick from.
Could you please post a comparison picture next to a Red Blok Dotch Yaga please ? Thanks.
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Sorry, the Dotch Yaga is the one RB walker that is missing from my collection. I have the others though...
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Sorry, the Dotch Yaga is the one RB walker that is missing from my collection. I have the others though...
So you only have a "fairly" large horde of Red Blok ;)
No problem use a fire crawler if you have one or the largest AT43 walker you have...I have all UNA and Red Block walkers. Thanks.
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Fairly large is right. :-)
...but the Fire Crawler is UNA, which means that I don't have that one either, but checking it on the net I noticed that it is strikingly similar to the Dust Allied heavy walker - sort of the same general design style. Anyway...
The heavy panzer disassembled with all of the pieces:
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i460/willypold/IMG_4031_mini.jpg)
The Flak version with the chimera:
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i460/willypold/IMG_4033_mini.jpg)
Medium panzer and Flak:
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i460/willypold/IMG_4034_mini.jpg)
AT-43 and Dust medium walkers, the Chimera and the heavy panzer big gun:
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i460/willypold/IMG_4042_mini.jpg)
One detail I like about Dust - all of the gun arms use the same mounting plug, making it easy to switch guns between walkers. Here's the medium panzer with the heavy Flak guns:
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i460/willypold/IMG_4045_mini.jpg)
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Thanks a lot for this review, that's perfect.
I wanted to buy Dust Tactics base box since ages and I didn't do it but now I am really tempted since I played a game and saw that Warfare was released.
Is it true that the first edition base box is out of production and will no longer be released (as the revised box is out) ?
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The first edition base box is no longer available from FFG, as the Revised edition has replaced it. Some stores or distributors may still have it in stock, although the rules have some differences and the points values are totally different. All of the units from the first base game are available as separate unit boxes, except for the two original heroes. You're not losing much if you can't find it, although you get all of the models a bit cheaper than buying them separately, of course. I'd recommend getting the Revised box instead of looking around for the first edition. I have both editions, by the way, as I grabbed the first edition as soon as it was released.
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Some folks were showing this game off at the Game Kastle in Santa Clara CA, yesterday.
It looked like a nice game, beautiful models.
I'm contemplating on buying into it.
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We are Looking for players for dust warfare who might be in the New England area, others are welcome to take part to.
Lets work together to promote this game! ;)
http://games. groups.yahoo. com/group/ NEAT-43/
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Did you buy them online?
Bought one from Miniature Market, the other one was bought from a brick-and-mortar store locally and given to me as a gift by a gaming buddy (because he thought I had given up trying to get one since Maelstrom didn't get a restock of it and I had to cancel my order there).
And could you post some pictures, comparing them to other ranges of miniatures?
Willypold's pix probably show how big the Panzer Walker is. I cannot easily take comparison shots of any other DW minis as I don't have any. I've seen enough to say that the infantry minis are a little tall comapred to "real 28mm" stuff. Here's a comp shot from Agis:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=35439.msg423733#msg423733
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Can someone please tell me what the difference is between tactics and warfare please.
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DT is a boardgame with miniatures, played on gaming mats with 9x9 cm squares. DW is a miniature game played on an open table top, featuring free movement. The rules are rather different between the games, but DW can use all the troops from DT (caveat: the rulebook has Axis and Allies lists only AFAIK). I don't think DW utilizes DT cards either, but am not entirely sure about that.
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I don't think DW utilizes DT cards either, but am not entirely sure about that.
I have heard it does not use the cards but I do not yet have my copy of the rulebook yet.
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I have the book and thier are two instances were you "might like to use them" First is for army building and referance the only thing thats differant is the moving states as far as I can tell, the second is a specail night fight misson were the cards are used to randonly activate units during the mission a real fun game mission by the looks of it ;)
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I have the book and thier are two instances were you "might like to use them" First is for army building and referance the only thing thats differant is the moving states as far as I can tell, the second is a specail night fight misson were the cards are used to randonly activate units during the mission a real fun game mission by the looks of it ;)
Please tell us more : is it a IGO-UGO system or the same as Dust Tactics ?
Which kind of units can you build ? Would it work for other units than US and Axis ones ?
What is different (apart movement) from Dust Tactics ?
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As I haven't yet been able to get the Warfare rules I can only tell you a little about it. It is an IGO-UGO system, although with a great emphasis on reactions during the other guy's turn. The rules for the Sino-Soviets will be presented in a separate book, the campaign book Zverograd.
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Preview the Unit phase of Dust Warfare
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=3206
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Please tell us more : is it a IGO-UGO system or the same as Dust Tactics ?
According to a preview/marketing video FFG put out a week or three ago, it's "IGOUGO with reactions". Rather like Starship Troopers in that regard, which prolly comes as no surprise. Not very fond of it myself but I do admit it makes sorta sense in a "battle game" where combined arms actions (as in, "tank advances, covered by infantry") would be more important than in a "true skirmish".
As a closed game, it really doesn't work very well with other than official forces I expect. But of course dozens of people will want to convert other forces to it anyway - you know who you are :P
I'm a little surprised they didn't go completely with the cards if all the other stats except the Move and (I expect) the points value (can't recall what it is called in DT) are the same between the games. Surely they could've balanced the troops with 10cm bands for movement and weapon range.
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Does anyone know whos stocking this because it sounds pretty cool. I havent ever played DUST im sure it will be good
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Does anyone know whos stocking this because it sounds pretty cool. I havent ever played DUST im sure it will be good
www.adlerhobby.com thier a small mom & pop store email them they can get and ship it, if you like to support a real store or try any online store ;)
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Does anyone know whos stocking this
Roughly whereabouts would you want the outlet to be? USA? UK? EU? For example, it seems a lot folks in Europe can't order from outside EU because of ridiculously low customs price limits, and contrariwise quite a few Americans seem simply unwilling to order from Europe even if something is only available here (miniatures are almost certainly going to be cheaper at an American retailer of course, if one is available).
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Does anyone know whos stocking this because it sounds pretty cool. I havent ever played DUST im sure it will be good
Anyone selling any of the other games from Fantasy Flight should probably stock it.
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Roughly whereabouts would you want the outlet to be? USA? UK? EU?
Well I can get stuff here from the UK quicker but its more expensive, I can get it from the US but it takes longer. I think the US is better for me coz i live in down unda and our dollars doin better.
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Of the US shops, I've recently only used FunAgain and Miniature Market (and Noble Knight Games but they don't seem to stock Dust):
http://www.funagain.com/control/main
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/
Both are OK shop in my book, the latter has cheap products but exhorbitant p&p - expedited delivery tho so the stuff flys to you really quick. I ordered the Dust Warfare from MM the day it officially came out and it arrived yesterday.
I do believe the greatest number of people swear by The War Store however - not sure if it's just the locals tho:
http://www.thewarstore.com/
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ETA: on the subject of DW rules, the gaming buddy who actually shelled out the cash for the book was't exceedingly enthusiastic - it seems he actually likes DT more, possibly because it's a bit more "toned up", perhaps resembling WARMACHINE (which he is a big fan of) a little in that sense. Contrariwise I expect I'll like the derth of "I doez trikk X, I obliteratez teh enemy" options.
He mentions some odd problems with line of sight rules particularly which don't sound very promising and it does seem that there isn't much logic in what is more detailed in DW vs. DT and what has been changed in regards to ranges, the special rule semantics etc. which may be a problem to those who have played DT a lot. He likes the scenario generation system tho which is definitely a bonus if true - as I haven't myself read or indeed even seen the book yet I can't really comment any more.
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http://www.thed6generation.com/
Ive just confirmed my freinds at the D6G are doing feature on The Dust Warfare Game, followed soon after by an in-depth interview with one of the co-designers! This is due at the begining of next week! mention this site when you say hello!
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My gaming buddy compared the DT cards to the DW book and is of a mind that quite a bit has been changed in a somewhat unpredictable fashion. Which was pretty much obvious at this point of course but now it's confirmed.
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Of the US shops, I've recently only used FunAgain and Miniature Market (and Noble Knight Games but they don't seem to stock Dust):
http://www.funagain.com/control/main
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/
Both are OK shop in my book, the latter has cheap products but exhorbitant p&p - expedited delivery tho so the stuff flys to you really quick. I ordered the Dust Warfare from MM the day it officially came out and it arrived yesterday.
I do believe the greatest number of people swear by The War Store however - not sure if it's just the locals tho:
http://www.thewarstore.com/
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ETA: on the subject of DW rules, the gaming buddy who actually shelled out the cash for the book was't exceedingly enthusiastic - it seems he actually likes DT more, possibly because it's a bit more "toned up", perhaps resembling WARMACHINE (which he is a big fan of) a little in that sense. Contrariwise I expect I'll like the derth of "I doez trikk X, I obliteratez teh enemy" options.
He mentions some odd problems with line of sight rules particularly which don't sound very promising and it does seem that there isn't much logic in what is more detailed in DW vs. DT and what has been changed in regards to ranges, the special rule semantics etc. which may be a problem to those who have played DT a lot. He likes the scenario generation system tho which is definitely a bonus if true - as I haven't myself read or indeed even seen the book yet I can't really comment any more.
I have ordered from the Warstore a few times and they do excellent service. My buddy uses MM all the time.
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Picked it up a couple of hours ago but work is preventing me from reading it - of course work is also the reason I could buy it in the first play. What a terrible irony! lol
-Tim
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Somebody's been a bit more thorough when dissecting DW than my gaming buddy:
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp?efid=253&efcid=6&efidt=645134
All that work must've made the writer a bit grumpy :P
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Somebody's been a bit more thorough when dissecting DW than my gaming buddy:
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp?efid=253&efcid=6&efidt=645134
All that work must've made the writer a bit grumpy :P
I picked up the book Monday and am on my second read through (no games yet). While I'm still more positive than that reviewer I think he's right on with some of the points at the top of his post. Although I think his points degenerated into minor nit-picks about half way through).
I agree that the terrain rules are lacking (especially ignoring vertical terrain). Maybe it was an application of KISS by FFG, but as someone that uses a lot of terrain that soldiers can climb up and down on, it seems too simplistic. Either way, a couple of house rules should fix it.
I also agree with some of his criticism of the turn system. I’m a fan of alternating activations over IGOUGO and it looks like FFG went through a lot of work to attempt to please both crowds. I want to have a few games before I decide if they succeeded or not, but for now I’m cautiously optimistic.
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Another review can be found here:
http://www.thatsyogarbage.com/wargame-review-dust-warfare/
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I picked up the book Monday and am on my second read through (no games yet). While I'm still more positive than that reviewer I think he's right on with some of the points at the top of his post. Although I think his points degenerated into minor nit-picks about half way through)
Yes, it did get a bit detious at some point and IIRC (I didn't bother reading again) he complains about "lack of realism" a bit too much.
I was very surprised to find that the horizontal measurement rule he complains about is actually explicitly written in the rules... That's one rule I'm not going to be following right there :P
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I quite like what I've seen of the system so far. After one play there are a couple of things I'm not entirely sure of but overall I'm positive.
You can read my first impressions here (http://firebroadside.blogspot.se/2012/04/dust-warfare-first-impressions.html).
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We've scheduled a test game for next Thursday. I won't promise a review (with pix - else it didn't happen, yeah?) but it's not impossible I'll get hot and bothered enough to write something either... 8)
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I would like to get my grubby little paws on DUST warfare but it turns out Australia has been understocked and I cant find it online :'(
Tell us how your game works out
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Miniature Market (from whence I ordered our group's sample) does claim to have it in stock... The p&p to Oz is bound to be nasty tho.
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/ffgdtf01.html
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The books a little cheaper but then I have to pay another 20 bucks just to get it here, another 30 If I want it fast. I might just wait till fantasy flight games brings it back in stock or I find somewhere over here.
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The books a little cheaper but then I have to pay another 20 bucks just to get it here, another 30 If I want it fast. I might just wait till fantasy flight games brings it back in stock or I find somewhere over here.
Message sent RE: Stockist of Dust Warfare in Australia (I am in Toowoomba, QLD).
I also subscribed to your blog :D
Looking forward to seeing more.
Happy Gaming,
Allan
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I dont think I received the message, there's nothing there. thanks for the subscribe
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We did manage to play a game and a half (I left before the other guys finished so I'm not sure how far they got with it) of DW yesterday. No piccies tho since it was raining cats and dogs the whole day and as I had to haul a bunch of (unrelated) miniatures along I didn't have space in the rucksack for the camera :?
My first game, played at ca. 150 PA, was a solid victory for my Allies, really won by (possibly too cheap for their effectiveness) jump pack troopers (Hammers with the hero Rhino) on turn two - the rest of the full six turns of the "March Battle" scenario was really mostly just to test the ropes as the Axis player would've needed to have extreme good luck to pull a win and his force ended up getting wiped out completely while I still had 5 out of my 6 original units on board (my command squad was in retreat but I would've had time to command them back to battle before they ran off).
Generally, as it turns out, I do think our experiences with the game were somewhat similar as those of Fire Broadside! as per his earlier batrep/review. I might write a bit more about this later but possibly won't find the time so there it is.