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Miniatures Adventure => Age of Myths, Gods and Empires => Topic started by: Prof.Witchheimer on 01 February 2012, 12:04:43 PM
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for my 7 AD project I'm thinking of filling the forest with some animals as chase or just for some random action. Do someone have any ideas what sorts of wild animals have been hunted back those days in Europe 2000 years ago? What about bisons?
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Real men hunt Aurochs and, last time I looked, Excalibur Miniatures had one.
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Boar, deer and bears I would think, wolves too I suppose
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Bison would definitely fit – they were once widespread across Europe, but these days I think found only in parts of Poland and Lithuania.
Plus all those previously mentioned, especially the aurochs.
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Ditto for bears and boars :) B&B
Do not know if they hunt them but You definetly need a wolves pack to disturb the hunt. I imagine an ancient forset as a spooky place where wolves are the first menace and, if I recall right, you have quite a number of them :D
Planning some funny hunt game I would add to the hunters' group some dogs too.
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Ditto for bears and boars :) B&B
Do not know if they hunt them but You definetly need a wolves pack to disturb the hunt. I imagine an ancient forset as a spooky place where wolves are the first menace and, if I recall right, you have quite a number of them :D
Planning some funny hunt game I would add to the hunters' group some dogs too.
Yes, the wolves got to the party as well.
Good idea to include some dogs. What breeds would be plausible?
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Yes, the wolves got to the party as well.
Good idea to include some dogs. What breeds would be plausible?
You would have to have mastiff and Wolfhounds :D I think Alternative armies do a cracking couple of wolf hounds, not running mind you but big buggers, and for mastiff either Vendel (SGMM) or warlord. The GB dogs would be nice to and probably more realisitc in size.
Outpost also do some lovely big dogs in their conquistador range that would work
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...or rather wicent. When was the moose extinct on the continent? Or isn't it?
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What breeds would be plausible?
Chihuahuas.
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All of the above plus rabbits and hares. Hares were sacred to some ancient Germans(anglo saxons). Spring was personified by a hare called eostre. Hence the Easter bunny. Oh yeah, dont forget slave hunts!!!
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You would have to have mastiff and Wolfhounds :D I think Alternative armies do a cracking couple of wolf hounds, not running mind you but big buggers, and for mastiff either Vendel (SGMM) or warlord. The GB dogs would be nice to and probably more realisitc in size.
Outpost also do some lovely big dogs in their conquistador range that would work
Great, so i could use my Ral Partha conquistador mastiffs.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/images/mordheim/ral_partha_mastiff.jpg)
...or rather wicent. When was the moose extinct on the continent? Or isn't it?
Moose was definitely around there. some Roman historians mentioned them. Are there appropriate moose figures out there?
Chihuahuas.
wrong continent :)
All of the above plus rabbits and hares. Hares were sacred to some ancient Germans(anglo saxons). Spring was personified by a hare called eostre. Hence the Easter bunny. Oh yeah, dont forget slave hunts!!!
thought of them already but will be hard to get some decent models. The Mega minis ones are way too large.
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I kknow the Romans used Mastiff so no problems
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Moose was definitely around there. some Roman historians mentioned them. Are there appropriate moose figures out there?
North Star: http://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=42&page=1
No pic, but this is from the old HLBS 'Great White North' range (I think that's what it was called). I have this mini – really good sculpt, good scale. Fits handily on a 40mm base.
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I kknow the Romans used Mastiff so no problems
yes, found some nice mastiff pics:
Mastiff-type dog. Babylon, approx. 1750 BCE
(http://happypitbull.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/babylonmastiff.jpg)
The Jennings Dog. Roman, 2nd century BCE.
(http://happypitbull.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/jenningsdog.jpg)
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North Star: http://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=42&page=1
No pic, but this is from the old HLBS 'Great White North' range (I think that's what it was called). I have this mini – really good sculpt, good scale. Fits handily on a 40mm base.
good hint, thanks!
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Irregular do a rabbit (sorry, can't figure out how to link to the specific page – it's 28mm / Animals / AN1)
Reaper also have one: http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/rabbit/latest/P02756C or http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/rabbit/sku-down/02756
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This big moose thing is nice, I might even have it lying in a box somewhere, may be a little deer though...I`ll get my coat :D
http://www.sbarber-models.clara.net/main.html
SGMM may also sell the Vendel Deer
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Moose was definitely around there. some Roman historians mentioned them. Are there appropriate moose figures out there?
I doubt it. I monitor miniatures like that and I have never seen one.
EDIT: Well what do you know... Brigade apparently makes some nop: http://www.brigadegames.com/Animals_c_44.html#top (http://www.brigadegames.com/Animals_c_44.html#top)
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Depending in what area are you referring to.
For example here in South of Europe there was also lion hunt.
Remember that hercules carried a lion hide (the Nemean Lion) and also there is a mosaic from Alexander's times depicting macedonian youths hunting down lions (with swords).
I am not sure whether there was any in the northern Europe. However, since at that time weather was warm enough, note, that the graeco-Roman temperature optimum lasted until 320 AD, there might be some lions living in the german forests, too. Also these are the mountain lions, similar to those living today in Atlas mountais of the magreb area (Algiers and Morocco)
In general 2000 years ago more or less european flora and fauna was similar to todays, so, wolves, lynx, jackals, bears, deers, rabbits, hares, wild boars, wild horses, ducks and other poultry etc were more common and present in large(!) numbers. Already decimated but they were numerous at least till the medieval times.
As for models: bears can be found by various manufacturers like Foundry, irregular miniatures, mega minis etc etc. grizzlies and the european brown bear are similar so, no problem. Deers (incl. one hunted down) are also well represented by Foundry and others. For lions, lynx etc: a good proxies would be : female lions or tiger/pumas from other ranges, but the colours should be more earthly browns etc. Forget black and leopard-spotted hides. A common feature , specially in the north savannahs/taiga etc was flocks of wild horses. Easy to find a few.
Here is the link to Foundry's MED519 aka the Deer Hunt
http://wargamesfoundry.com/historical_ranges/single_packs/medieval/european/the_deer_hunt_med519/
it is medieval but I think it can pass easily for earlier periods, too.
they also have another set named the boar hunt, but it is primarly a medieval knight hunting. Only useful for the boars.
here it is, too:
http://wargamesfoundry.com/historical_ranges/single_packs/medieval/european/the_boar_hunt_med520/?sector_id=
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thank you, argsilverson, some very useful infos!
though I don't think I will have a lion on my Ancient German board :)
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I forgot the red squirrels!
OK here is a link for the european bison:
http://www.blueplanetbiomes.org/european_decid_animal_page.htm
see the animals
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found some nice pics of the Ancient hunt:
(http://www.schloss-schoenfeld.de/img/rundgang/1_6_5.jpg)
(http://www.jadu.de/mittelalter/germanen/images/jagd_jpg.jpg)
(http://www.zinnfigur.com/shop/images/ware/7_30_00693.jpg)
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found some nice pics of the Ancient hunt:
very interesting!
and here is the macedonian lion hunt ca 330 BC:
http://culture.ana.gr/photos/20060620151214234-235.jpg
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I forgot fox, beaver and otter and also wild goats. Horses were eaten so its not impossible that they were hunted for food. Lynx in the upland regions. Mirliton do some beasties which may be suitable.
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From Lazio 2nd Century.
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Foundry used to do a very nice Celtic Boar Hunt set, but I can't seem to find it anymore on their site. Another casualty of the purge?
Anway, nice mounted Celt w spear who could pass as German if needed, 2 dogs, a boar (realistic sized too!), and some fanatic w/ heads that can be ignored. Worth hunting down! :D
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Foundry used to do a very nice Celtic Boar Hunt set, but I can't seem to find it anymore on their site. Another casualty of the purge?
Anway, nice mounted Celt w spear who could pass as German if needed, 2 dogs, a boar (realistic sized too!), and some fanatic w/ heads that can be ignored. Worth hunting down! :D
I've got some mounted Germans with spears, fanatics and dogs as well. Now only need some realistic sized animals.
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Warlord do a great Mastiff pack in their Ancient Briton range. They look excellent.
http://store.warlordgames.com/mastiffs-pack-1334-p.asp
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(http://www.schloss-schoenfeld.de/img/rundgang/1_6_5.jpg)
I'd take this one with a large handful of salt if I were you. Unless you're going for some sort of Wagnerian twist to your hunt, that is ;)
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I like Wagner :)
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Apparently the difference with the European bison and the american one was little, nothing you'd notice on a 28mm. mini.
Armorcast even has Glorantha bison riding beasts if you are into that sort of thing.
http://armorcast.com/store/index.php?cPath=116_98_146/
a moose and an elk are the same thing, right?
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I like Wagner :)
In that case a large rabbit is a must for your hunt.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_QMuDihPPyPA/S7Owd36s-eI/AAAAAAAAMq4/Fgup1ofz-TE/s400/whatsopera.jpg)
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Other than helmet adornments I don't think that hunt looks wrong at all. Wound the bison, follow it with dogs until it's on its last legs and then killing blows while it is barely standing so the hunters can thump their chests later and cheer each other's bravery.
As to elk=moose, what is called a moose in the US is the same thing as a European elk (Alces alces), but the American elk (Wapiti wapiti) is a different creature all together.
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Apparently the difference with the European bison and the american one was little, nothing you'd notice on a 28mm. mini.
Armorcast even has Glorantha bison riding beasts if you are into that sort of thing.
http://armorcast.com/store/index.php?cPath=116_98_146/
No, I'm no into that sort of thing :)
but these could work:
http://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?cat=173&man=60&page=2
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Foundry did some Bronze Age pigs you could use for Wild Boar :) They also brought out a range of European Woodland Wildlife a year or so back but dont know if it is still available.
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Other than helmet adornments I don't think that hunt looks wrong at all.
Bingo.
<sarsasm>Given enough time, I'm sure I could find some way to rationalise the use of tunics, armour and Dalmatians by early German hunting parties </sarcasm>
P.S. Forgive me, I have been drinking Rioja.
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Now I have recoverd from my laughing fit (re the Chihuahua ref.), Crusader have a hunting dog set in their Dark Ages irish range -
http://www.crusaderminiatures.com/prod.php?prod=126&cat=4&sub=11&page=1 (http://www.crusaderminiatures.com/prod.php?prod=126&cat=4&sub=11&page=1)
RMZ
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http://www.crusaderminiatures.com/prod.php?prod=126&cat=4&sub=11&page=1 (http://www.crusaderminiatures.com/prod.php?prod=126&cat=4&sub=11&page=1)
Yeah, like the dogs a lot.
(http://www.crusaderminiatures.com/images/img126.jpg)
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Not convinced about the Mohawk handler. :-[
Yeah, like the dogs a lot.
(http://www.crusaderminiatures.com/images/img126.jpg)
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Not convinced about the Mohawk handler. :-[
I only need the dogs.
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I have the dogs,would you like them? I can give you three ,all different poses.
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I have the dogs,would you like them?
Sure :) I'll PM you.
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Jolly good :)
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Yeah, like the dogs a lot.
(http://www.crusaderminiatures.com/images/img126.jpg)
Hmmm... I may need to get those...
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You have some,I sent them to you last year lol
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You have some,I sent them to you last year lol
Looks like he has got definitely too many dogs lol
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You have some,I sent them to you last year lol
Busted. Maybe it is time to paint them. :)