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Miniatures Adventure => Weird Wars => Topic started by: redzed on 08 December 2012, 01:07:16 PM
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I need a non-swastika swastika for my Weird W2 'Nazi's', I'm keeping the red with the white circle but I want something to replace the black bit.
It has to be LAF friendly and ideally would be easy to paint :D
it also has to look right (so no smily faces) lol
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What about the Triskelion/Triskele?
Eugène Terre'Blanche and his AWB were rather fond of it. Not sure if it is a banned symbol or not, as the AWB version does look rather like a Nazi Swastika that has lost a leg in a nasty accident. Type "eugene terreblanche" into Google images and you will see one behind his lovable, handsome visage. On second thoughts, "AWB flag" is a much simpler thing to type. ::)
Also, video games sometimes put an all-black version of the standard WWII-style German cross inside the white circle on a Nazi flag.
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I'm fairly certain that version is banned, thanks for the info :)
so far I have a white diamond shape on a red background. :)
and the rune symbol Othel in the center
(http://hem1.passagen.se/vsen/public_html/images/Image13.gif)
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That image doesn't load, but yeah, I'd say pick a rune symbol you like and that has a vaguely appropriate look. :)
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The baddies from Metal Slug kept the colors but changed the symbol:
http://videogamecritic.net/images/xbox/metal_slug_3.jpg
http://kelexo.thedailypos.org/imagefest/ms2/ms2105.png
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A big, bold-fonted Z. And make everyone speak backwards!
Eviv Bulgroz! Esod Mumixam!
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Well, the most common non-swastika swastika ist the Balkenkreuz or the Schwarzes Kreuz. For it was really used by (and still is) german Forces it also has the "right look".
regards
Zwerch!!!
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The Wolfenstein logo is fairly versatile.
Mod edit: removed the link. Current Wolfenstein games may not be promoted in Germany.
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Charlie Chaplin's version?
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e230/roebeast45/CharlieChaplininTheGreatDictator1940.jpg)
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I have this at the mo', does it pass the LAF test?
Mod edit: pic removed, too close to be on the safe side.
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Hi mate.
You thought about the danger girl comic and her ss Nazi protagonists Hammer:
http://dangergirl.wikia.com/wiki/Hammer (http://dangergirl.wikia.com/wiki/Hammer)
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110716163605/dangergirl/images/a/af/Hammershocktroops.png)
Alex/Chris W: if this is too near prohibited imagery please delete.
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Why not stylized skulls? As skulls always represent the baddies... Something like the punisher skull, but more stylized and angular.
And you can get them made into decals! We're running several sets of custom decals in the next week or so for clients. We run a custom decal design and print service after all.
Brent
Company B
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You could always go with the hydra symbol from the Red Skull's troops in Captain America:
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSSj2P6PdQ85FnSKw2tqkq_VKUHIyQCqOPv3ZXKFXLy-nKv15UG4Q)
And get Company B to do the decals?
??? ???
The Commander
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Why not stylized skulls?
SS, `C18, GW, nuff said ;)
You could always go with the hydra symbol from the Red Skull's troops in Captain America:
I did give that serious consideration.
You thought about the danger girl comic and her ss Nazi protagonists Hammer:
when it's scaled down for 28mm it looks like the BUF symbol. :?
(I already tried it mate ;))
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Why not stylized skulls? As skulls always represent the baddies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsNLbK8_rBY
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Do three curved daggers arranged into a radially symmetrical "Y" shape with the blades facing out.
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The problem with all those using the "red field/white shape/black symbol" approaches is that they could be construed as legally relevant with regard to the letter of the law.
The hydra logo is definitely on the safe side, as would the hammer version. With regard to the Wolfenstein logo, do not use that one as the current game may not be actively promoted in Germany (possession is not a problem as long as you are at least eighteen years old.
My recommendation would be to increase the level of detachment, so, for example leave out the white field and only use a black symbol on a red field or vice versa.
I appreciate the problem, but the current judicial argument is that it will be liable if the symbol in question "may be mistaken for a Nazi symbol by a non-specialist observer upon inspection, withou further research". This pretty much also covers the rune symbol posted earlier, so I'll take it out.
I'll keep watching this thread, but for the time being, feel free to continue the discussion. By the way, descriptions rather than images are perfectly okay.
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I'd juggle the colours, maybe go for a red zed on a black background with a white border ;)
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What about the hammer icon from Pink Floyd "The Wall"?
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The problem with all those using the "red field/white shape/black symbol" approaches is that they could be construed as legally relevant with regard to the letter of the law.
My recommendation would be to increase the level of detachment, so, for example leave out the white field and only use a black symbol on a red field or vice versa.
cheers :)
a red zed wouldn't look bad....... apart from everyone will think I'm a total egomaniac lol
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The problem with all those using the "red field/white shape/black symbol" approaches is that they could be construed as legally relevant with regard to the letter of the law.
The germans from Crimson Skies then:
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs45/f/2009/069/e/6/Focke_Wulf___Hellhound___by_foxmalcolm.jpg
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not bad :D
but I think I'm going to go with a black Z on a white diamond on a field of red, or an inversion of those colours.
thanks for all the help :)
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Another idea is the design in Sinclair Lewis' 1935 novel "It Can't Happen Here" (fictional rise of a fascist movement in America, as contemporary to Mussolini and Hitler). The design there was a ship's wheel.
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The diamond and a lightning bolt Z kind of thing would look menacing enough. Certainly better than photoshopping them away. :D
edited for not derailing the topic :)
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What about the Block 109 New teutonic order symbol. Arrow piercing a square looks kinda neat.
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I use the symol from Charlie Chaplins "Great Dictator". Everyone knows it, but it is not forbidden...
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How about the symbol from Richard III?
(http://www.mckellen.com/images/0605.jpg)
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How about the Helgan symbol from the game Killzone?
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Or the Cobra symbol from G.I.Joe ?
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Well, the most common non-swastika swastika ist the Balkenkreuz or the Schwarzes Kreuz. For it was really used by (and still is) german Forces it also has the "right look".
regards
Zwerch!!!
I agree with you. I also thought of using the cross of the Imperial Army of the First World War, again used today by the German army, as a symbol for our Weird Germans.
As substitutes for the Nazis forces, like Waffen-SS, we decided to put the members of the dark sect led by Red Skull, the well known evil character of the comic book Captain America.
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or maybe this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fvUuk1jVuU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fvUuk1jVuU)
lol
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There's a page on the 'Flags of the World Forum' called 'fictional flags of Nazi inspiration' - it's here:
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/fic-nazi.html
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Why not stylized skulls? As skulls always represent the baddies...
What about a rat's... anus?
Actually I suggest hammers, if only for the Pink Floyd connotations.
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Has anyone already suggested a shapely pair (or more) of women's legs in fishnets?
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or maybe this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fvUuk1jVuU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fvUuk1jVuU)
lol
Love this tune. :D
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Charlie Chaplin's version?
(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e230/roebeast45/CharlieChaplininTheGreatDictator1940.jpg)
HEIL HINKLE!!!
The runic symbol for Ragnarok?
MOD EDIT: Removed since it is essentially a swastika that is even more crooked.
It looks nice and swastika-ish, has the right colors and literally means "end of the world" - perfect for nearly any Nazi project/super science division.
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HEIL HINKLE!!!
The runic symbol for Ragnarok?
MOD EDIT: Removed (too similar for the letter and intent of the law).
It looks nice and swastika-ish, has the right colors and literally means "end of the world" - perfect for nearly any Nazi project/super science division.
Not gonna lie, but I think that's too close to a swastika, what with all the branches being bent 45º further inward.
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Yeah maybe if the cross ended in arrows or triangles. But this one is just skirting the boundary.
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Yeah maybe if the cross ended in arrows or triangles. But this one is just skirting the boundary.
I know - but it would make a epic armband/vehicle/bunker door emblem... Dam nazis they ruined one of the best symbols ever.
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Dam nazis they ruined one of the best symbols ever.
Damn inconsiderate of them. :D
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Was Pink Floyd's hammer symbol from the Wall mentioned already?
Also, GW's symbols for their Imperial Guard and Space Marine units all seem to be suitably on the right of the political spectrum...
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[(http://www.ilsecoloxix.it/rf/Image-lowres_Multimedia/IlSecoloXIXWEB/multimedia/fotogallery/italia/foto/2012/11/corteoCasapound37.jpg)
to use a poor turtle to rapresent a svastika is something very bad :((
2010 neo-fascist italian social enter
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Has anyone already suggested a shapely pair (or more) of women's legs in fishnets?
Works for me :)
That's my kind of totalitarian regime :D
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(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2T2RnmEsu0zLCy7MMsoFayXIE-MDjdd8PQ8awO35E0IG2phDq)
A youg picture of nowdays Major of Rome :((
Note to all, the "celtic cross" as above also falls under the category of prohibited symbols (in that context, mind you, so actual celtic stones are fine, for example in a SAGA context). I'll leave that picture in as it does serve a public information purpose.
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Note to all, the "celtic cross" as above also falls under the category of prohibited symbols
Does it really? Never knew that... Did it feature in Nazi iconography then? (No pictures in reply please).
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Does it really? Never knew that... Did it feature in Nazi iconography then? (No pictures in reply please).
It wasn't exactly used by the Nazis themselves (who were rather busy rebranding the Swastika as a "Germanic" symbol), but as displayed in the picture of Giovanni Alemanno, neofascist groups used it due to the similarity. So, in the combination of red field, white circle, black symbol, it falls under the legal provisions. It is the "so similar a casual observer can confuse them", or rather, it is patently obvious what the brown buggers are trying to pull off.
No problems with Anglo-Saxon warriors wearing them as pendants, or having a couple in an Irish church yard as a backdrop to the Battle of the Boyne or something similar.
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Where does the latter BUF symbol fall in all this? Here imposed on a Union Flag..
http://6milphil.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/bufflag.jpg
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Where does the latter BUF symbol fall in all this? Here imposed on a Union Flag..
http://6milphil.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/bufflag.jpg
That one is a bit tricky. Per se, the BUF is not a "criminal organisation" as defined by the Nuremberg trials. Used on the union jack as shown by you, it should be perfectly fine. If presented in a fashion more similar to the nazi flag (e.g. red field, white circle, black lightning), it could be problematic, as it then resembles the SS runes (or rather, a single pseudorunic "s"). White, silver or gold lightning on a blue field should be okay, too.
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That turtle symbol rocks. Pity those fucktards used it because it would of made a great warflag for my turtle warriors.
Turtle Power?
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That turtle symbol rocks. Pity those fucktards used it because it would of made a great warflag for my turtle warriors.
maybe you can put turtle legs in a different way so they do not look like a swastika and do not put inside a red with a white circle flag.
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Teenage Mutant Nazi Turtles
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or maybe this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fvUuk1jVuU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fvUuk1jVuU)
lol
oh my gawd! that was a riot to watch(does anyone know the translation)
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Google is your friend :D
http://www.justsomelyrics.com/738095/Glukoza-Schweine-Lyrics (http://www.justsomelyrics.com/738095/Glukoza-Schweine-Lyrics)
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That one is a bit tricky. Per se, the BUF is not a "criminal organisation" as defined by the Nuremberg trials. Used on the union jack as shown by you, it should be perfectly fine. If presented in a fashion more similar to the nazi flag (e.g. red field, white circle, black lightning), it could be problematic, as it then resembles the SS runes (or rather, a single pseudorunic "s"). White, silver or gold lightning on a blue field should be okay, too.
Thanks for the illumination. It's most commonly used as this http://th00.deviantart.net/fs70/150/f/2011/263/d/e/b_u_f__flag_by_greatkingpest-d4aea5z.png in VBCW so I think it's possibly okay, plus there's no glorification of it, Moseley and his band of cranks are still widely loathed to this day amongst those who know who he was.
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That, and GW has that lightning symbol as one one of their standard emblems on their Imperial transfer sheets; a lightningbolt is quite universal after all...