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Miniatures Adventure => Old West => Topic started by: Treebeard on 09 April 2013, 09:15:46 AM
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Cowgirls 2
(http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/images/salute13/cowgirls2.jpg)
Town Watch
(http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/images/salute13/townwatch.jpg)
Deputy Sheriff Parker
(http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/images/salute13/deputyparker2.jpg)
Got very mixed feeling on these. The town watch is mostly good. Cowgirls are just babes with guns ... not real interest for old west. Deputy Tanner have a lot of personnality but I don't like it.
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To say norhing of the fact they are RESIN!! :-[
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To say norhing of the fact they are RESIN!! :-[
Resin is ruining miniatures in my opinion
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Yeah, I have a handful of kits from them in resin...and I really REALLY prefer metal.
I'll put up with the ones I have, but won't be buying any more I don't think. I also don't care for most of these releases. A couple of the townwatch look good, but the rest are silly. I have zero interest in all the big-boobed gunslingin' babes...never thought I'd say that. :D
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You'd think they would notice how annoyed and put off by resin the customer base has been and reverse their decision. Though it might mean a hefty price increase.
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I just ordered 4 sets from BSM and while I like the sculpts overall, I HATE resin. Resin is great for a display piece, that wont be handled. With display, who cares how brittle the material is?? But for gaming minis...metal is the only way to go. I must say, while they were my preferred line, I wont buy from BSM again because they cast only in resin now. Shame. Overall, more disappointed than not.
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I have a fair number of BS resin and they are standing up to gaming fine.
But i have to say I do NOT like the look of any of those at all , would not matter if metal or resin.
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Yeah a bit disappointed in the miniatures and the resin. I bought some resin BS cowboys last year and I just didn't like them since then I e-mailed some BS retailers in Europe if they still had some BS miniatures in metal. I now have quite a few (enough) of them in metal.
Regards,
Za
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Now here is a set I kinda/sorta need...
(http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/images/TOMB_TOMB25_1.jpg)
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see i love resin, much preferable to me than metal, and ive been doing this for 30 odd years...
it holds the paint better often, weights less, and can hold crisper finer detail than metals.
Ive just ordered some black scorpion minis on the fact they are resin and not metal, digital sculpting and resin is the future, and sticking my heals in for old times sakes that have in many ways had their day is doing more damage to the industry than resin could ever do.
love the new minis, but then i like fun stuff.
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Lovely set of figs there.
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I agree that the deputy is the best.
I am not a huge fan of "Bimbo Cowgirl" models. I have yet to see even one Old West female that actually looked like that. I own a handful of them, but it gets tiresome... especially because there is a lot of untapped potential for unique models that look like real human beings.
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There are another 2-3 sets of Black Scorpion females...and one or two of the models look okay - the rest are bimbos. The womenfolk in the two civilian packs are great though.
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the guy from the town watch is going to look ace in my outlaw gang.
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I really like the guy on the right of the Town Watch...it's a set I may have to pick up (after all...I have to justify fifty pounds for free shipping right!?)
Town Watch
+Indians 1
+Indians 2...
...and I'll have to grab up another set or two to justify it all. But not for a while, I have four packs sitting unprimed/painted right now.
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Hmmm, I could do without the "bimbos" but one thing I like about Black Scorpion, they make some really lovely "fatty" gunfighters, so I might have to pick up the deputy to go with my other two favourite BS minis! lol I don't know, I just like the way they are sculpted, not heroic, but with a hard tough edge to them nevertheless.
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Ah you speak of the beer-belly brothers? The shotgun guy is my absolute favourite character of mine. I think I have pics...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/Elbaus/Gaming/001-1_zps78fa6545.jpg)
^Front right...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/Elbaus/Gaming/005-1_zps798ccb72.jpg)
^Back left...
Some of my favourite figs indeed. lol They have that grizzled feel to them. Love those guys.
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Ah you speak of the beer-belly brothers? The shotgun guy is my absolute favourite character of mine. I think I have pics...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/Elbaus/Gaming/001-1_zps78fa6545.jpg)
^Front right...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v455/Elbaus/Gaming/005-1_zps798ccb72.jpg)
^Back left...
Some of my favourite figs indeed. lol They have that grizzled feel to them. Love those guys.
Bang on the money Elbows! The shotgun brother and the two gun-toting brother are my main characters in my solo 6GS campaign, shotgun man is an old Mountain Man and two-gun is a Gunfighter, so far they've survived 5 years in the old west, 5 more years to go!
Links to my AAR's for that campaign: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=51810.0
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Are these going to be available in the U.S.? If so where?
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Black Scorpion has free international shipping if you go over 50 pounds ($80). I know Legends in Time occasionally carries for BS stuff. You can find some of it on ebay (seems to be a lot from a shop down in Texas).
I have not found a solid retailer who carries the full line reliably (or at any form of discount!)
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Noble Knight Games carries the figures here in the US, but it really works out cheaper to order direct from the UK. The guy on ebay has the sets for MORE than Black Scorpion or Noble Knight!
Besides, I look forward to getting emails from "Ramona". :)
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Boobs and guns...very imaginative
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King Tiger,
I agree, those are the only figures I will NEVER buy. I think that sort of model cheapens the hobby. No place for them in a moderately historical game setting.
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Yep...I don't think many people are interested in the big boob gunslinger girls. I own almost the entire range from Black Scorpion...except their female sets which are useless to me. I like the job they do on their town folk females.
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They really need to do at least one more set of townsfolk, and a couple more mounted figures to really complete the range.
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Cowgirls 2
(http://www.blackscorpionminiatures.com/images/salute13/cowgirls2.jpg)
They could be well used as some hot and gun-toting Hillbillies (especially the middle two) ... like in those movies from the 90s (EDIT: "The Beverly Hillbillies" form 1993). Gee ... I must be getting old to remember that one ...
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Town watch are great
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Resin is ruining miniatures in my opinion
+1 on that.
We've used resin in a couple of our releases, but only b/c they were harder to cast in metal. For any miniature that can be cast in metal, then I prefer metal - hand's down.
Howard
The Tekumel Project
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That said, the figures themselves are ACE. :)
I don't actually care that the female figures are not, strictly speaking, historical. In fact, I prefer this version of the West!
I just wish they hadn't switched to resin...
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There are TOO MANY "inaccurates" these days for my liking - yes, I get people like painting girlies - but I think the range could have done with being "fleshed out" with more rootin tootin Cowpokes first.
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I have painted two BS old wets minis made in resin, and they are good, maybe it will be better if they made more details, but it is not bad.
In the other hand I painted a BS metal pirate, and it is no better than the others so....
I think that plastic (hard) is better because it is more secure for the painted miniature (if you touch it or if you hit it, no problem, is more difficult to break it).
The resin will be the future if the economy don't help. Metal and plastic is more expensive.
Best wishes.
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Wait wait wait...we learned from GW that resin is 10x better and more valuable, hence the 100% increase in the cost..right? :D
I have both BS metals and resins...when given a choice I always prefer metals. I don't paint well enough to care about the better detail on a resin mini. Heck I'd be super happy with hard plastic cowboys/etc. Shame no one makes a quality boxed set.
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Now a box of plastic cowboys from Perrys, Warlord or one of the other manufacturers would make a fantastic addition to the genre. :P Not only that but cavalry, mexicans and indians too. ;D Given that there are a lot more companies churning out Old West buildings than there used to be, surely there must be a market for this.
Sorry for highjacking the thread. :-X
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Wait wait wait...we learned from GW that resin is 10x better and more valuable, hence the 100% increase in the cost..right?
Jajaja, great post, Here we think the same, GW had made all the things bad, very bad, but BS doesn't increase the prices.
It´s true that BS miniatures could have a little more details in the resin moulds.
Modify:
Some pics from my resin miniatures.
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8325/dscn0574o.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/22/dscn0574o.jpg/)
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7417/dscn0577n.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/821/dscn0577n.jpg/)
(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8839/dscn0582q.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/dscn0582q.jpg/)
(http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8532/dscn0584t.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/692/dscn0584t.jpg/)
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Yeah, while it is a bit of a niche market, I'm surprised a decent (even modular) cowboy boxed set doesn't exist. As mentioned you could do a simple range of 5-6 boxes (Cowboys, Cavalry, Indians, Town folk, Mexicans) etc. and really corner the market. Unfortunately a consumer could buy one or two boxes and never need anymore, so I understand it's probably a horrible business decision. You want ranges where people need to buy "battalions" at least, in order to recoup costs etc.
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I agree in all your post. It only a bussines for them, and it ins't a bad way... All the old west ranges are "individual" o little boxes. It isn't napoleonics wars, you only need 5 or 10 miniatures no more...
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I have not purchased or painted any of the BS figures, but they are tempting to be sure. With Western skirmishes needing smaller amounts of figures, one has a lot of freedom when it comes to picking figures you like. At any rate even the resin figures look better than most of the early western lines that were available 30 odd years ago!
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I'm on the train to gotta have Deputy Sheriff Parker. The girls wil work to get my wife back into it. Gotta have the Parker for the flavor I want. Single perchase figures suck though. The s&h kills the thought of it.
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Remember 50 pounds and up is free international shipping. So find someone nearby that wants some of the BS minis (I like their pirate range and some of their fantasy stuff is great - hate the moderns). When I order BS, it's always 50 pounds or more ($75)...and the free shipping saves you a lot.
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I wasn't sure if that was to the U.S. to.
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Last couple of times I've ordered - yes. Could have changed, it's been a few months.
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The Free Shipping does apply to the US. I'm just waiting for the new Townwatch set to come out to make another order. I'm just not sure I can come up with 50 pounds worth figures.
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Yep, you have to buy what...6 sets to make it worthwhile? I don't think I have six sets left (though I could go with the Indians...) lol
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Well I know I want to get the Apaches and the Billy the Kid figure, the Townwatch set, maybe the least ridiculous looking pack of women and another pack of Mexicans and possibly a pack of horses.
I decided to make a couple mounted and dismounted versions of figures for flexibilty.
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Cool. If they do another town watch set I could buy those, the indians...and I think I could find one or two other packs I don't own. Failing that I'd just buy some more pirate sets and ebay them or something. They do have some other cool minis I'd consider just to have them too.
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You'd think they would notice how annoyed and put off by resin the customer base has been and reverse their decision. Though it might mean a hefty price increase.
Since I have not seen their sales figures I don't know that they are losing sales... Just because I am ambivalent at best (clumsy is a good nickname for me some days) doesn't mean they are not selling like hot cakes to others...
Gracias,
Glenn
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Personally I think the resin castings are gorgeous. They do require some clean up with a sharp knife, but the detail is just amazing. I'll be their customer as long as they keep releasing new Tombstone sets.
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I suppose my comment was a bit unfair. I was basing what I said on the reaction I had seen here to the switch to resin.
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If they had metal as an option still I'd definitely pay an extra bit to ship or purchase them.
I love hard plastic, and metal...never been a fan of resin. The miniatures are fine (I have 8 or so resin BS old west figures)...but I fear for snapping/breaking. I'd still really prefer a good quality boxed set of modular plastic cowboys...but I won't derail this thread with that! lol
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I like metal figs. I have several resin. Yes the detail is great but they are alot mot fragile.
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I agree...thankfully in this case the Black Scorpion line is very hefty and large for 25/28mm, so an unexpected benefit is that I don't fear these will break as easily as some other more finely cast ranges. I'm confident. lol I need to add some metal to the base though...no satisfying "thunk" when you move them!
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I have a long list of figures I'd love to see Black Scorpion release for the Tombstone range. Mounted and dismounted US Cavalry would probably be at the top, follwed by mounted and dismounted Commanche.
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I agree...thankfully in this case the Black Scorpion line is very hefty and large for 25/28mm, so an unexpected benefit is that I don't fear these will break as easily as some other more finely cast ranges. I'm confident. lol I need to add some metal to the base though...no satisfying "thunk" when you move them!
I sadly had a resin pirate snap at the ankles when putting the figure into a storage box. Trust me when I say I was not being rough with it. That figure was from their first batch of resin releases.
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I honestly haven't had a singe problem with the resin figures, and I have had a couple fall off the table. They have even been handled by my almost 3 year old grand daughter with no damage.
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I sadly had a resin pirate snap at the ankles when putting the figure into a storage box. Trust me when I say I was not being rough with it. That figure was from their first batch of resin releases.
Funny you should mention that. I ordered a big batch of pirates when they first went to resin...they were so bad I emailed and complained to them. The castings were horrible, resin was powdery, with exposed metal rods...a couple pieces arrived broken. Truly horrible stuff. I sold them off on ebay. I did receive a free four pack of miniatures from Black Scorpion as they redid their entire resin process (something they were aware of when I first emailed them).
The new stuff is 10x better, night and day and is more in line with other normal quality resin figures. Much more robust, cleaner lines, better resin etc. So, I feel your pain. I don't have pictures to compare, but the new stuff is fine as far as resin goes. I'll be selling off my current resin pirates (I have a couple of sets). Let me know if you're looking for anything, maybe I can bring it down.
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Noble has some available. With luck I'll get them there.
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Funny you should mention that. I ordered a big batch of pirates when they first went to resin...they were so bad I emailed and complained to them. The castings were horrible, resin was powdery, with exposed metal rods...a couple pieces arrived broken. Truly horrible stuff. I sold them off on ebay. I did receive a free four pack of miniatures from Black Scorpion as they redid their entire resin process (something they were aware of when I first emailed them).
The new stuff is 10x better, night and day and is more in line with other normal quality resin figures. Much more robust, cleaner lines, better resin etc. So, I feel your pain. I don't have pictures to compare, but the new stuff is fine as far as resin goes. I'll be selling off my current resin pirates (I have a couple of sets). Let me know if you're looking for anything, maybe I can bring it down.
I did have 4 or 5 figs from that order with exposed metal rods an/or broken parts in the package. I kept everything, and it looks good painted, but I wasn't too happy. I didn't complain or try to get them replaced though. The one breaking while putting it away did tick me off quite a bit though. I'm scared to take them out and use them at this point. :-[
It is good to hear they have improved their resin casting because I do like a lot of their figures.
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Yea Jake,
I've had no issues with their new resin figs...
Maybe you don't know your own strength? lol
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Yeah, the old stuff was really bad...the new package they sent me were good enough that I have since purchased a couple of sets of figures without pause. I can even bring some new resin ones down if we game sometime so you can see the difference.
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Does anyone know how BS figures compare in size to the Foundry range?
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I can tell you that they are a head taller than Artizan's Old West stuff if that helps.
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Does anyone know how BS figures compare in size to the Foundry range?
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=55111.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=55111.0)
Recent comparison of Old West figures I did. Foundry figure is of the newer range and still on integral base which makes up the difference in height.
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I can tell you that they are a head taller than Artizan's Old West stuff if that helps.
Not true. BS and Artizan match quite well if properly based.
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http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=55111.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=55111.0)
Recent comparison of Old West figures I did. Foundry figure is of the newer range and still on integral base which makes up the difference in height.
Thanks Gutbukkit. Looks like I will be adding these to my collection.
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Just bought 54 Scorpion figures off evilbay, all different. Includes apaches, Mexicans, billy the kid, lawmen + many more. And they are all METAL, cost £43, a bargain, me thinks. THE CID.
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Not true. BS and Artizan match quite well if properly based.
I have BS and some Artizan.
Sorry, but basing won't hide the difference.
Its very noticeable.
:-I
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Geoff,
I completely agree. You can slightly hide the size difference with pennies etc., but you can disguise the difference in the size of weapons.
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If you feel that this photo is making your eyes bleed when looking at scale then you are probably right.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-qPx1GfT8h_U/UY6LvRvAimI/AAAAAAAAAng/70naukg8lSI/w480-h333-no/P1020978.JPG)
I can agree with the weapon size which are oversized in the BS range. And it is also probably a matter of personnal acceptance but honestly when the miniatures are on the table it is hard to see a major difference.
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Hi guys,
the difference in scale forces me to buy only the Black Scorpion Models, cause i'm loving them (the design) in spite of the guns beeing too big. Optically the bigger scale of the figures does very well, if you know what I mean. The Hands aren't that big as seen from other brands. It looks more proportional. I also like that they aren't made out of metal (tin) anymore.
For god's sake the Range of them is big enough, so you don't have to buy others. :)
However it would be very nice if they would bring out more figures. So, if anyone hears anything about it, please tell us.
If the responsible person is reading this: Bring out new stuff. I will buy it! :)
Cheers,
Jan
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Funny... I never noticed the scale issues with the weapons before.
Doesn't bother me in the slightest.
And I do mix BS with Artizans all the time.
And I have no issues with the resin. Granted, I like the 'heft' of metal, but it won't stop me either.
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Some guns really "were" that big.
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/a/a0/LDColtWalker-5.jpg/600px-LDColtWalker-5.jpg)
lol