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Acoording Forum rules (2.4 Politics and religion):
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES are you allowed to start discussions about current political events, potentially contentious religious issues
According to my very poor english I AM ""ALWAYS"" ALLOWED to start discussions about current political events if IS NOT potentially contentious religious issues ...
and A LOT (99,99% of them) ARE NOT potentially contentious religious issues!
... according to moderators of this forum every discussion about current political events is censured because they think (committing a serious impedonabile mistake) is not allowed (committing a serious impedonabile mistake) by forum rules.
IMHO it would be better to change rules and say the truth: speaking about political events is not allowed in this forum!
The same about "current affairs which may involve aggressive patriotic sentiment" ... say the truth: "We do not want people to talk about current affair" ... STOP.
I hope You do not consider this topic againnst your way to read rules. Change them and tell the truth!
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If you want to see it this way you may be right. We don t want them here.
I think that political discussions mostly cause trouble. We should just respect these rules.
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I don't usually post on these subjects,keep well away,why? Life is too short.
Guy
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Acoording Forum rules (2.4 Politics and religion):
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES are you allowed to start discussions about current political events, potentially contentious religious issues
....which means you are NOT to start any of these topics under any circumstances.
Maybe there should be an 'or' inserted in place of the '.' which would make it clearer.
So, if it read:
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES are you allowed to start discussions about current political events OR potentially contentious religious issues.
Maybe then it would be clear and not cause the confusion that you are experiencing.
:)
I don't usually post on these subjects,keep well away,why? Life is too short.
This ^^^ sums up the matter perfectly.
In my opinion.
;)
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To discuss/talk about politics or religion I visit other forums, is not a matter if it's allowed or not, it's a matter of context, I dont go to religion forums to talk about miniatures or wargaming. But thats only my personal opinion.
In the other hand, many times I wonder if wouldn't be clever to rename "Open Talk" for something less close to the "speaker's corner" idea, just my two cents.
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Honestly I think that the taboo that speaking openly about things such as politics and religion is a very negative one, mind you it does seem to rile people up quickly doesn't it?
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I agree that it's good to talk about politics. But this is a forum about Toy Soldiers and I feel politics has no place here.
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....which means you are NOT to start any of these topics under any circumstances.
Maybe there should be an 'or' inserted in place of the '.' which would make it clearer.
So, if it read:
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES are you allowed to start discussions about current political events OR potentially contentious religious issues.
Note that the above is part of a listing of "prohibited" topics. The full sentence is:
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES are you allowed to start discussions about current political events, potentially contentious religious issues, or current affairs which may involve aggressive patriotic sentiment.
I agree that this may be a misunderstanding, although I went to great pains to translate the rules as unambiguously as possible (I agree that it could be phrased differently, e.g. "YOU MAY NOT start discussions (...).").
This is not to stifle discurse but for a variety of reasons, for example:
- to avoid potential legal issues
- to avoid having to arbitrate discussions on a case-by-case basis
- to avoid setting an arbitrary set of "acceptable" topics
- to minimise offensive behaviour towards other forum members, who could be offended or insulted, as such discussions quickly get out of hand
The LAF is supposed to be apolitical, which includes religion.
You are welcome to participate in such discussions, but do it elsewhere. We appreciate that those topics are very important to some people, for example religious beliefs (I personally am very interested in geo- and domestic policy, as well as modern history), but we do not want other, less scrupulous people to abuse this just to create disharmony. Therefore, no discussion of these topics in the first place.
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I agree that it's good to talk about politics. But this is a forum about Toy Soldiers and I feel politics has no place here.
There's that too.
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Paul, Bergil and Guy are on the money in my opinion. There's enough contention in the painting competition than worrying about current affairs as well.
There is a certain irony that we can then get on with talking about World War 2, the Spanish Civil War, the Russian revolution, the American Civil war, the Crusades etc etc without being concerned about the politico-religious philosophical issues behind them. Just an observation.
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Paul, Bergil and Guy are on the money in my opinion. There's enough contention in the painting competition than worrying about current affairs as well.
There is a certain irony that we can then get on with talking about World War 2, the Spanish Civil War, the Russian revolution, the American Civil war, the Crusades etc etc without being concerned about the politico-religious philosophical issues behind them. Just an observation.
I don´t think there is any irony, because we don´t judge wrong or right, but play it or talk about historical facts or speculations.
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I agree that it's good to talk about politics. But this is a forum about Toy Soldiers and I feel politics has no place here.
Spot on. It's as simple as Paul says.
The rules are clear enough in English. It may be that there's a translation problem here for Pierrebi.
If you want to debate world events, politics, religion, societal, moral and philosophical issues of the moment, do it on Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo, or any of 1001 other online outlets for these sorts of discussions.
Firstly, it's not appropriate here because this is a forum specifically about miniatures.
Secondly, discussions on these contentious real-life topics almost always end up in some kind of argument and bad feeling which is damaging to the karma, courtesy, and general good nature of this particular forum. So let's not drag that sort of thing into a forum which is about our enjoyable hobby. Leave it where it belongs.
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do it on Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo, or any of 1001 other online outlets for these sorts of discussions.
It's jolly amusing reading the comments on youtube videos sometimes though - amazes me how things can degenerate into such a load of cobblers so often (and usually so unrelated to the original video...) :D
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I don´t think there is any irony, because we don´t judge wrong or right, but play it or talk about historical facts or speculations.
I totally agree with that!
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I agree that it's good to talk about politics. But this is a forum about Toy Soldiers and I feel politics has no place here.
Quite. I think LAF has such an agreeable atmosphere because there's nothing from outside of the hobby to distract from it.
Also this forum is run for us totally free of charge, it's for them to define whatever rules they choose and not for me. I'm quite happy with that.
Now about this new pope...
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Spot on. It's as simple as Paul says.
The rules are clear enough in English. It may be that there's a translation problem here for Pierrebi.
If you want to debate world events, politics, religion, societal, moral and philosophical issues of the moment, do it on Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo, or any of 1001 other online outlets for these sorts of discussions.
Firstly, it's not appropriate here because this is a forum specifically about miniatures.
Secondly, discussions on these contentious real-life topics almost always end up in some kind of argument and bad feeling which is damaging to the karma, courtesy, and general good nature of this particular forum. So let's not drag that sort of thing into a forum which is about our enjoyable hobby. Leave it where it belongs.
Or dip your toe if you dare into Frother`s Frothpot :D ;D
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the real reason Politics etc is not allowed to discussed is obvious.
where the hecky flip will anyone get the time to either read it or post about it?
there is already way too much content on the site to keep abreast of it all ( lol 'breast)
I'm constantly finding topics that are 10 pages long with the most amazing stuff on them.
Plus it's a Toy Soldier Forum ;D
When I'm at Mega News & Political Corp I've never felt the need to demand a Toy Soldier board.
and, most importantly of all...It's just bad manners to discuss Politics & Religion at the table.
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When I'm at Mega News & Political Corp I've never felt the need to demand a Toy Soldier board.
This.
There's a time and a place and this is neither.
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What they said...the ones who said don't do it. Not here. ::)
I don't want to discuss politics, religion, current affairs HERE.
I don't want to hear about other LAFFERS politics or religion HERE.
I only want to see shiny painted toys and all the related stuff. That's why I come here.
What has always amazed me about the rule in question is that there is even a need for such a rule. This thread and those recently removed proves there is a need. I'm still amazed though. ::)
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There's enough arguments over metal versus plastic and the orthadoxy of the true Games Workshop Hobby lol
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I can't really fathom the politics of toy soldiers. I've asked mine on a number of occasions and all I get is a stony silence from the little buggers.
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lol
Ignorant little gits, aint they?
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There's enough arguments over metal versus plastic and the orthadoxy of the true Games Workshop Hobby lol
Then there's the all-important conflict between the white, grey and black primer users. Forget politics, we need to settle this for once and for all!
:D
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Then there's the all-important conflict between the white, grey and black primer users. Forget politics, we need to settle this for once and for all!
:D
Grey. There is no black and white in this life. Besides, it more closely resembles the drab existence we lead that took us to the hobby in the first place. :)
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Metal or resin? (Surely not plastic.)
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What about 1:56th (correct) vs 1:48th (incorrect) for 28mm figures? Much more relevant than politics!
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28mm figures
Measured to eyes or top of head?
And what do "true" and "heroic" really mean?
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Heroic means you've just spent a large wad of dosh on an over sized cartoonish miniature but because you like it you are now going to replace all those hundreds of quite respectable and lovingly painted 25s you've had for 20 years.... until, of course, the wheel turns, fashions change again to slighter more realistically proportioned sculpts forcing you to repeat the experience to stay in with the cool kids.
See also idiotic 28mm.
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What about 1:56th (correct) vs 1:48th (incorrect) for 28mm figures? Much more relevant than politics!
Bloody 1/56 and 1/48. Who the hell decided that was sensible? At least 1/48 had a historical rationale.
It was bad enough when the 25mm/1" entente cordiale was broken.
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Metal or resin? (Surely not plastic.)
Resin is just plastic with petit bourgeoise pretensions. ;)
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So, if it read:
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES are you allowed to start discussions about current political events OR potentially contentious religious issues.
Why I have to read BAD!
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Why have I to read BAD?
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Secondly, discussions on these contentious real-life topics almost always end up in some kind of argument and bad feeling which is damaging to the karma, courtesy, and general good nature of this particular forum. So let's not drag that sort of thing into a forum which is about our enjoyable hobby. Leave it where it belongs.
According to you
If a miniature producer makes "italian fascist miniatures" in Spanish Civil War and call them Italians
is damaging to the karma, courtesy, and general good nature of italian members of the forum!
If a miniature produce makes miniatures of "tortured females"
is damaging to the karma, courtesy, and general good nature of members of the forum!
... b ut nobody say it is against rules of the forum or decided to change forum's rule ... truth is always better then false!
It is not my problem of traduction the problem is rules do not say the truth!
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I think that political discussions mostly cause trouble.
we play war a trouble arrived at the end of political discussion!
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There is a certain irony that we can then get on with talking about World War 2, the Spanish Civil War, the Russian revolution, the American Civil war, the Crusades etc etc without being concerned about the politico-religious philosophical issues behind them. Just an observation.
That is my topic!
I would agree somebody discuss about this question, not traduction or "," or "OR" or "karma" ...
please discuss about this starkadder topic!
Off course according to rules we cannot discuss about starkadder topic in this forum, we have to discuss in an other place!
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Please, don't feed the troll.
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According to you
According to the rules.
I don't understand what your point is pierrebi.
The rules say no discussion of politics and religion. That seems clear and truthful enough. And the reason why the forum has this rule is borne out by most of the comments above. Most members do not want 'real life' problems and arguments intruding on their hobby. Most members understand that these sorts of topics often lead to arguments and ill feeling which they do not want to spoil their enjoyment of the forum.
If you don't like the rules, you don't have to take part in the forum. But there does not seem any point in repeatedly complaining that you don't like the rules, or that they are not truthful or clear.
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But there does not seem any point in repeatedly complaining that you don't like the rules, or that they are not truthful or clear
I suppose one could complain about the rules if one doesn't like them. After all, they aren't holy scripture. I wouldn't personally start a complaint thread about them tho but instead propose it directly to the admin. Tastes vary in that regard I'm sure but all the same I don't think it's quite right to start a complaint thread about them with a quote mine.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6EaoPMANQM
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Why I have to read BAD!
@pierrebi:
It's not the complete sentence in question you are quoting. It is fully in compliance with the grammar rules to list something as 'not permitted to w, x, y, or z' meaning 'or' between each listed element. You could sobstitute 'and' for 'or', and the rule would still apply.
As for the discussion of historical conflicts, be they political and/or religious, I have never on this forum seen a discussion on whether this or that participant was righteous or not - merely ppl seem to seek historical ifacts on how to arm/organize/paint the miniatures needed to play out the conflict.
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I understand that you've felt that you were wrongly "accused" of starting a thread about the new pope. But please, for the nice atmosphere of this forum, let it go. It's not a big deal, and you're just building a case against you when you continue to post threads like these, and hijack other ones. Stop feeling so wronged. It's not the end of the world, move on and enjoy the forum for what it is :)
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I think Silversixx pretty much sums it up. I'm going to close this thread to avoid it deteriorating.