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Miniatures Adventure => The Great War => Topic started by: Poliorketes on May 14, 2008, 08:11:47 PM
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Looks great! Congratulations!
(http://homepage.mac.com/brentdietrich/Rolls001.jpg)
http://homepage.mac.com/brentdietrich/companyB_greens.htm
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Does look great, could be on the purchase list soon. It must be 30 seconds now and I am still resisting o_o
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Oh. My. God. Just good that they don´t yet have a Lanchester which I could really use for the RCW. lol
Lovely piece of work. The proportions look great, but it´s a later pattern (1920 or so), isn´t it?
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A Lancaster would be the thing
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It's certainly a beauty. But yes a Lanchester would be nicer. especially as it was probably more widely used (the later 6x4 I'm referring to).
This does appear to be the 1920 pattern RR, the earlier ones had wire spoked wheels as fitted to the requisitioned RR 'Silver Ghost' chassis the bodies were put on.
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Hi Guys,
I was at Michael Broadbent's abode yesterday morning and he had just finishing priming the model. It's a little cutie and there will be some crew too. There is even the crank handle 8)
Michael went to great lengths to show me how he constructed this model. Truly remarkable and just shows the talent he has been blessed with.
Congrats to all.
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I've just been checking the site out and I'm impressed. It is nice to see the rare and unusual rather than just the usual Tigers/Shermans whatever.
Certainly there is a lot of talent there.
It surprises me how well served the 28mm gamer is, and in a relatively short time, with Company B, BAM, Anglian, Chieftain and Crusader etc, all churning out good quality product on a regular basis. Good on you all!
I just need someone to produce a range of 1960's/70's figures for the Rhodesians and Portuguese, the odd Unimog and/or Berliet truck, what have you, and I'll be totally spoiled for choice :D
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Oooo, that's pretty - I wants one, no two - maybe three!
Brent - you're based in Seattle, right? Any chance that you could make it to FallCon in Calgary? I'd probably order a ship load of your vehicles if you were to bring some to the convention!
http://www.fallcon.com/home.php
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Old Glory makes a Lanchester. I have one -- it scales out to 1/48.
I will definitely buy Company B's 1/56th Rolls Royce (like I have all their other WWI/RCW vehicles), then pester Brent to make a 1/56th Lanchester.
I noticed the Austin Putilov has gone missing from the release/in progress list again... <sigh>
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Looks really nice. Two questions:
1. Will the crew be available separately?
2. How does this differ from Mark Copplestone's Armoured Rolls?
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Looks really nice. Two questions:
1. Will the crew be available separately?
2. How does this differ from Mark Copplestone's Armoured Rolls?
Can't answer the first question as thats a matter for Company B to answer, but the AC is 1/56th scale and that means its larger than the Copplestone. I placed one of my WW1 figures next to the AC for scale and its bang on!
Hope that helps 8)
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Mr. Broadbent also has some of my 28mm WWI figures that he has used for scale for the CompanyB RR and Brigade Games artillery.
You guys would be all over us if we didn't do it right ;)
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Old Glory makes a Lanchester. I have one -- it scales out to 1/48.
I will definitely buy Company B's 1/56th Rolls Royce (like I have all their other WWI/RCW vehicles), then pester Brent to make a 1/56th Lanchester.
I noticed the Austin Putilov has gone missing from the release/in progress list again... <sigh>
1/48? I thought the Old Glorys would be more 1/64. Are the other OG-verhicles the same size? I ask for the WW1 miniatures list I did here (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=5677.0)
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It surprises me how well served the 28mm gamer is, and in a relatively short time, with Company B, BAM, Anglian, Chieftain and Crusader etc, all churning out good quality product on a regular basis. Good on you all!
You said it! And what is especially encourageig is that it is relatively small businesses with a close connection to the gamers which seem to flourish (as opposed to larger companies with big marketing budgets who try to create a demand rather than listening to the existing demand).
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;D ;D ;D
I think my next chunk of gaming budget is going to head off to Company B´s coffers...
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1/48? I thought the Old Glorys would be more 1/64. Are the other OG-verhicles the same size? I ask for the WW1 miniatures list I did here (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=5677.0)
Here's what I have. Scales listed are based on my models' dimensions, which will vary depending on casting, construction, etc. and the historical dimensions you're comparing to:
Austin-Putilov --
Old Glory L: 1/54; W: 1/49; H: 1/51
Sloppy Jalopy L: 1/49; W: 1/49; H: 1/50
FT-17 --
Old Glory L: 1/56; W: 1/62; H: 1/60
Company B L: 1/53; W: 1/53; H: 1/53
Whippet --
Brigade L: 1/56; W: 1/54; H: 1/55
A7V --
Old Glory L: 1/56; W: 1/49; H: 1/52
Lanchester --
Old Glory L: 1/48; W: 1/54; H: 1/48
I had a HLBS Rolls Royce, but sold it because it was too small compared to my other models. It was smaller than Copplestone's, which is smaller than Company B's. So I would estimate:
Rolls Royce --
Company B 1/56
Copplestone 1/60
HLBS 1/64
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It surprises me how well served the 28mm gamer is, and in a relatively short time, with Company B, BAM, Anglian, Chieftain and Crusader etc, all churning out good quality product on a regular basis. Good on you all!
You said it! And what is especially encourageig is that it is relatively small businesses with a close connection to the gamers which seem to flourish (as opposed to larger companies with big marketing budgets who try to create a demand rather than listening to the existing demand).
In addition, these guys are creating stuff that they are particularly interested in and game themselves, which shows in the quality (dare I say beauty?) of what is produced. The downside of this is that, as they aren't doing this at the 'big' level, we have to wait a while longer for new product.... which exceeds my painting speed in any case, so no problem :D
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Old Glory makes a Lanchester. I have one -- it scales out to 1/48.
I will definitely buy Company B's 1/56th Rolls Royce (like I have all their other WWI/RCW vehicles), then pester Brent to make a 1/56th Lanchester.
I noticed the Austin Putilov has gone missing from the release/in progress list again... <sigh>
OG make the WW1 era Lanchester (4x2) ... I meant the 1920's armoured car of the same name (6x4), but different design.
I got all excited for a moment.... lol
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I like the WW1-model, so I think I'll give the OG a try.
Thank you, Shogun!
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The Rolls looks great! :-* And remember, they're doing at least two more, one Great War variant and another from about 1929!
Well, who needs to save money, anyways!
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Wow. Perfect for Anglo-Irish and Irish Civil War hooliganism......
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Wow. Perfect for Anglo-Irish and Irish Civil War hooliganism......
You mean "War of Independance" and Civil War surely? ;)
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Here's what I have. Scales listed are based on my models' dimensions, which will vary depending on casting, construction, etc. and the historical dimensions you're comparing to:
FT-17 --
Old Glory L: 1/56; W: 1/62; H: 1/60
Company B L: 1/53; W: 1/53; H: 1/53
There is no CompanyB FT-17 - it is actually a Brigade Games model. I understand the confusion as we handle all of the CompanyB items in the states and have co-developed the Pacific War & the Unique WW2 miniature ranges, vehicles, etc.
As you said, all measurements are based on your individual calculations.
The Brigade Games FT17 was scaled to work with my Brigade Games miniatures and if you review period photographs, you will see that the height of my French miniatures is spot on to actual photographs of the period.
The Brigade Games Mark IV and V, A7V, and Whippet were scaled to be 1/56 by Tony Ashcroft.
Someone care to add their checks on the dimensions for the Brigade Games Mark IV and V and A7V tanks? (Hint, Hint)
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I had a HLBS Rolls Royce, but sold it because it was too small compared to my other models. It was smaller than Copplestone's, which is smaller than Company B's. So I would estimate:
Rolls Royce --
Company B 1/56
Copplestone 1/60
HLBS 1/64
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I've got 3 of the old Matchbox/Lledo diecast Rolls. Bigger than all the above, probably 1/50. I find they look quite accepetable against my Copplestone and Cannonfodder minis. Very robust gaming peices you can usually pick them up on Ebay quite cheap too.
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There is no CompanyB FT-17 - it is actually a Brigade Games model. I understand the confusion as we handle all of the CompanyB items in the states and have co-developed the Pacific War & the Unique WW2 miniature ranges, vehicles, etc.
As you said, all measurements are based on your individual calculations.
Someone care to add their checks on the dimensions for the Brigade Games Mark IV and V and A7V tanks? (Hint, Hint)
Hi Lon --
Sorry about labeling the FT-17 as Company B rather than Brigade Games. (I got the Whippet right though.)
I also have a Brigade Games Mk. V and an Old Glory Mk. IV. I will measure them and post the results.
(Again, results are based on the measurements of the models I have built compared to whatever "agreed upon" historical measurements I can find online. Your mileage may vary.)
Chuck
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Hi Folks,
Please don't forget that the first Rolls of the cab may not be everyone's cup of tea for their period. There are other variants in development that may suit your needs. However, my congrats to the guys for coming up with an all purpose light armoured motor vehicle that has been sorely needed for gamers who have a passion for a mobile bucket of bolts thats spits buckets of dice 8)
Scale is and will always be a complex issue for some folks.
I've all the Brigade Games WW1 AFVs fit alongside the figures whether 25mm or 28 mm.
If you want to look at scale please checkout one of the threads that chats about "Hanni" and you will see a MKIV from Brigade Games with Brigade Games WW1 figures beside it. Poly has one from the GW miniatures so you can judge for yourself.
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Mr. Broadbent also has some of my 28mm WWI figures that he has used for scale for the CompanyB RR and Brigade Games artillery.
You guys would be all over us if we didn't do it right ;)
Strange Lon, I see some of my Brigade Games WW1 collection beside some of those lovely creations from Michael 8)
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Wow. Perfect for Anglo-Irish and Irish Civil War hooliganism......
You mean "War of Independance" and Civil War surely? ;)
It's one way to put it, I suppose. It's mainly called the "War of Independence" or the "Tan War" in the Republic of Ireland.
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What Helen said...
I got the impression from the Company B site that the RR forms part of the "1920's" vehicle range. In which case, it being a 1920 Pattern shouldn't be an issue in any case.
As you say and the site states; there are 3 variants in the offing in any case, so I'm sure almost everyone will be happy.
Wow. Perfect for Anglo-Irish and Irish Civil War hooliganism......
You mean "War of Independance" and Civil War surely? ;)
It's one way to put it, I suppose. It's mainly called the "War of Independence" or the "Tan War" in the Republic of Ireland.
I've only ever heard it called the 'Anglo-Irish War' in English books and articles. We have a way of diminishing things we didn't do well in lol
Incidentally a Rolls Royce AC was accompanying Michael Collins the day he was killed! 'Sliabh na mBan' as it was named, is maintained in running order at Curragh Camp.
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Incidentally a Rolls Royce AC was accompanying Michael Collins the day he was killed! 'Sliabh na mBan' as it was named, is maintained in running order at Curragh Camp.
Been for a spin in her. ;) The Curragh is about an hour away.
Bovington also has one, I believe.
All the National Army Rolls Royce armoured cars were named:
ARR 1 'Tom Keogh' (formerly 'Danny Boy')
ARR 2 'Sliabh na mBan'
ARR 3 'Fighting Second'
ARR 4 'The Baby'
ARR 5 'The Manager'
ARR 6 'Custom House'
ARR 7 'Moneygall'
ARR 8 'The Big Fellow'
ARR 9 'Ex-Mutineer'
ARR 10 'Flying Fifty'
ARR 11 'Kilmichael'
ARR 12 'Knockananna'
ARR 14 'The High Chief'
Some played for both sides in the Civil War. Scot McPeake, the driver of Sliabh na mBan deserted to Republican forces shortly after the Béal na mBláth ambush, and took the car with him....
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Incidentally a Rolls Royce AC was accompanying Michael Collins the day he was killed! 'Sliabh na mBan' as it was named, is maintained in running order at Curragh Camp.
Been for a spin in her. ;) The Curragh is about an hour away.
Bovington also has one, I believe.
All the National Army Rolls Royce armoured cars were named:
ARR 1 'Tom Keogh' (formerly 'Danny Boy')
ARR 2 'Sliabh na mBan'
ARR 3 'Fighting Second'
ARR 4 'The Baby'
ARR 5 'The Manager'
ARR 6 'Custom House'
ARR 7 'Moneygall'
ARR 8 'The Big Fellow'
ARR 9 'Ex-Mutineer'
ARR 10 'Flying Fifty'
ARR 11 'Kilmichael'
ARR 12 'Knockananna'
ARR 14 'The High Chief'
Some played for both sides in the Civil War. Scot McPeake, the driver of Sliabh na mBan deserted to Republican forces shortly after the Béal na mBláth ambush, and took the car with him....
Sliabh na mBan was used by the IRA after McPeake's desertion. I believe he actually was assisted to return to Scotland, rather than actually swap sides. He took a lot of the blame for Collin's death. An urban legend has it that the Provo's kept the Vickers MG from the car and attempted to use it in the 70's whereupon it reportedly jammed again.
ARR 1 'Tom Keogh' (formerly 'Danny Boy') was reported to be running in a private collector's hands. I've no idea where the one at Bovington hails from.
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"Tom Keogh" is here:
http://www.johnmalamatenios.net/armouredcar.html
Ah, the Peake conspiracy theory....Well, he took the car with him, whatever else he did. Bottom line is that nobody can say with any kind of certainy WHO shot Collins....and it doesn't really matter at this stage.
And here's th one at Bovvy:
http://www.tankmuseum.co.uk/news/pr_rollsroyce_200804.html
Keep an eye out for a 1/56th scale Lancia carrier in the nearish future, and few other bits and pieces........ :D
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Oh, my...didn't even notice this forum thread!
Yes the Roller is complete and in production very soon. I've been busy the last week or so updating the website and the "dayjob"...so I am a bit behind on my own models..but that will be remedied soon! It took a last bit of effort to get the train into production and take delivery of the citroen halftracks. And we had planned this year to be relatively easy on new releases.... (sigh)
The Austins are next priority, but I do have a 36 inch u-boat to finish as well as two more cars for the armored train (for July release) As the Rolls was planned for July originally, the austins would end up hitting late summer, or just in time for everyone to flock to Lon's Brigade Games booth at Fall-in this year. Somehow I deleted them from the release list!
A lancia? hmmm, well, there still is that Austrian armored car that was mentioned on these forums to muck about with, but If enough folks send us or Brigade requests for one, it's sure to be added. There are soo many armored cars to choose from, we really want to bring out the ones that have the largest appeal and use as possible.
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Oh, my...didn't even notice this forum thread!
Yes the Roller is complete and in production very soon.
Great looking model. How you any idea how fast you can ship to Europe (with out paying first priority and all that)? I'd really like to showcase this model for the Lead Painters League Back of Beyond themed round 10.
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Just out of interest, I'd like to recommend 'Cry Wolf' by Wilbur Smith, it's a cracking read about the Italians in Somalia and a solitary RR AC... Very pulpy and right up our street imo.
http://www.wilbursmithbooks.com/novels/cry_wolf.html (http://www.wilbursmithbooks.com/novels/cry_wolf.html)
Actually I recommend all of Wilbur Smith's books if you are even slightly interested in Africa of the last two centuries... Especially the Courtney and Ballantyne series that cover the familes from the early 1800's to about 1980 in Rhodesia and South Africa respectively. Loads of ideas for scenarios and adventures.
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A Lancia you say?
Like this one?
(http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/4OQuSAKQZ6GxPBBKRX77Exi5MizESAWBv73xFDsui56BUT04u17i8Tw9e4vXibM1E2W-UkMrTMKIzJclELfBwOy4bquDrA/Black%20and%20Tans/Lancia%20APC.jpg)
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And some company
(http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/4OQuSBbPAVixPBBKDblQ0Np7_qzchS-xLk3FxmVvE2roztqBZeabzkgCEC8cG0krAcqSN3fIBOKTIzyP0t8tqz_3on9P9w/Black%20and%20Tans/Rolls%20Royce%20Armoured%20car.jpg)
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Provides an escort when the Brigadier does his rounds
(http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/4OQuSMEK2T2xPBBKpWtIwMKgRiGphrxPwWaJ10jfW19REoVqjMP4PTtQhE9Fk5lbrmmOyymoxfQjub1mlPvgrrO1UtXk4w/Black%20and%20Tans/Staff%20Car.jpg)
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Carlos, I can't see any of those pics.......... :(
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That Roller is a real beauty. :-* :-* :-* What are you doing to my wallet? o_o lol
BTW, another excellent book about the forthcoming WWI Roller is Steel Chariots in the Desert (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Steel-Chariots-Desert-Experiences-T-E-Lawrence/dp/184677005X). It is excellent reading stuff. Actually, Company B should sell this book as a set together with their Model T Light Patrol/Long Bed and the Roller, of course... ;)
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Carlos, I can't see any of those pics.......... :(
Hmm they were there when I posted. Sorry new to all this. Anyone give me some handy hints? Or I could just try emailing them to you.
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Email is grand ;)
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Great looking model. How you any idea how fast you can ship to Europe (with out paying first priority and all that)? I'd really like to showcase this model for the Lead Painters League Back of Beyond themed round 10.
We ship CompanyB vehicles and our own to Europe all the time.
(We also ship figures and books ;))
Postage is reasonable for first class which is the best way to ship IMO. Be aware that our webstore will typically overcalculate. Pay by cc and we will charge when we ship. If using Paypal we refund the overage.
Our shipping info is here:
http://www.brigadegames.com/go.mvc?ID=Shipping (http://www.brigadegames.com/go.mvc?ID=Shipping)
to give you an idea -
$11.35 FC 6.3 OZ 6 figs, 1 small vehicle ($38) TO Netherlands
$15.45 FC 12.9 OZ 3 PACKS WW! Palestine, Model T ($60) TO Belgium
$17.05 FC 1 lb, 2.3 OZ 2 hellcats, decals & accessories ($92)TO France
$37.35 FC 2,14.1 OZ 60 figs + sub TO Spain (sent registered)
The master for the Rolls is on the way to the states but to be honest, I don't think we will have the high quality resin castings we are known for completed for at least 4-8 weeks, but definitely in time for Historicon in July. If it gets done prior to that consider that the casting Gods are looking kindly down upon us all.
One way we could possibly get it out faster is to cast a metal version as well which would most likely become available earlier than the resin and metal version. Anyone care to list a preference?
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Thanks, Lon!
I certainly favour the resin variant.
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Lon do you usually set up a booth at Historicon?
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I did a bit of digging and found some pics I have of ARR 2 "Sliabh na mBan", the Rolls Royce armoured car mentioned above. Thought folks might like to have a look at her. Pics taken at the Irish Defence Forces Training Centre at the Curragh, Co. Kildare.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/displacedcorkman/Slievenamon1.jpg)
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/displacedcorkman/Slievenamon2.jpg)
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/displacedcorkman/Slievenamon3.jpg)
The Lancia that Carlos and I have mentioned isn't an armoured car - it's an armoured personnel carrier. Posting some period photos as I couldn't see the pics Carlos posted (maybe others don't have that difficulty).
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/displacedcorkman/Lancia_photo-01.jpg)
Approximately 150 of these were built for the Royal Irish Constabulary as armoured transports during the Anglo-Irish War. They were all left in Ireland after the British withdrawl, and used by both sides in the Irish Civil War.
(http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/displacedcorkman/iretriotalancia.jpg)
And yes - there's a 1/56th scale version under construction. More on this and pics closer to the release date. ;)
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Did you not get the photos I emailed? If not they are up on the Between the Wars Yahoo group. Lancia I made several years ago.