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Miniatures Adventure => The Great War => Topic started by: Incomp on January 30, 2014, 10:22:06 PM
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Victrix miniatures just announced that they are going to do 28mm plastic miniatures for the first world war!
First they will release Brittish and Germans, followed by French.
(http://www.victrixlimited.com/images/BRIT%20STRIP%201A.jpg)
Straight from their front page:
Next we have a bit of a 28mm WW1 surprise for you! WW1 British and Germans are being worked on at present for a dual release followed by heavy weapons and characters and then followed by French. Julian has been pushing for this period for a long time (since we began 6 years ago I think!) Bob is doing a lovely job on these. This is just a teaser to wet the appetite so a few more images next week. Keep watching for updates of this exciting new period for us.
http://www.victrixlimited.com/
Even though I already have a metal German platoon by Great War miniatures and a Russian platoon by Musketeer I can't wait for these to come out. Even though it will be a while yet as soon as they bring out the French I am sold.
:-*
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Interesting. Rather a lot of kit bashing possibilities with these me thinks.
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holy moly!!
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Really looking forward to seeing these miniatures in production :)
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Now that's some welcome news.
Already have the Western Front Royal Naval Division, "Fightin' Sailors" (as if there is any other sort). :)
Thanks for the tip!
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This is rather good news. I wonder, if they will go with head variant options on the sprue, so you can do early war as well. The fact that the tenders don't seem to show the gas mask carrier might suggest so. I doubt I would be able to resist a box or two of these, even thoigh my overall interest in the period dropped off some time ago.
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Already have a division to base these on when they come out, 36th.
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I’m kind of wondering how the final products will look like. I know Victrix figures are usually pretty nice but, that being said, I haven’t seen any release from them since they switched to computer assisted 3D sculpting. I hope quality of the final product will be has good has it was with their previous releases :?
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Wrong size for my future but I will be more likely tempted when I see the French, some Austrian-Hungarians, some Russians, and some 1915-1915 figures.
Gracias,
Glenn
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with the french they would be well advised to plan in advance for Interwar too, with so little in uniform, equipment and weapons changing.
head options would be very welcome too and gas gear optional as well
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I’m kind of wondering how the final products will look like. I know Victrix figures are usually pretty nice but, that being said, I haven’t seen any release from them since they switched to computer assisted 3D sculpting.
My thoughts exactly.
Those computer renders don't look right to me - their necks appear to be missing and the figures look both strangely beefy and weirdly neatly dressed... :(
Brilliant idea for WW1 plastics, but I hope the end product is better than these look...
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Can't say they do anything for me. They look odd, but I am struggling to articulate quite why. Apart from the fact that they seem to have filled their lower jacket pockets with soil for some reason. That'll do for starters.
with the french they would be well advised to plan in advance for Interwar too
Well we know they would have one customer for sure. Don't know if they would consider that enough. :)
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Their proportions are too realistic for 28mm. These heads will be just too small.
After the Victrix hoplites disappointment I wouldn't expect too much.
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Their proportions are too realistic for 28mm. <snip>
Somehow that just seems "wrong" but I don't know why...
lol
Gracias,
Glenn
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Well we know they would have one customer for sure. Don't know if they would consider that enough. :)
lol lol lol
I agree - not only should the heads be a bit larger, but higher on the neck
I am not that enthused by the renders either....
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Aren’t the bayonet’s scabbards a little short too? IIRC WWI Lee Enfield’s bayonets were pretty long, no?
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Their proportions are too realistic for 28mm. These heads will be just too small.
After the Victrix hoplites disappointment I wouldn't expect too much.
Yep thats what I see
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I would have preferred not being overly critical. But, there are far too many oddities and the figures just don't excite me. :-I
The figures stances are unnaturally wide; the rifle bearing arms seem too far outstretched; the helmets appear too crisply defined between crown and brim; the bayonets are far too short; the helve carriers are a bit too small; the rifle lengths are awkwardly long; and everyone's heads are painfully lurched forward.
I hope they will consider fine tuning these figure designs just a bit more.
David
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Gotta say they look pretty good to me, realistic proportions and all. Better than all the overly chunky metal stuff that's usually available.
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I don't understand the victrix hoplite issues, the models are lovely, am I missing something?
And as interesting as these are, we are still waiting for hanoverians and French guns, both scheduled for end of last year, with no updates, I don't expect to sed these until 2015, and that's an honest estimate
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I don't understand the victrix hoplite issues, the models are lovely, am I missing something?
Matter of taste, for sure. They're not bad at all but the final product is just not as good as the shown masters. And I was going mad trying to stick all the beards and so on. I was expecting something else. But that's surely me and my personal opinion. Strictly spekaing it's a solid gaming product, a lot of figures for little money.
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Wait what? I'm not familiar with the Victrix Hoplites... They sold 28mm minis with separate beards!?
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Not quite so. Spartan box has heads with beards but the rear hairs are extra pieces and you actually always need green stuff to close the gaps after sticking together the hair and the head and to try making it looking good. I didn't like it, it took too much time.
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Hah! I did a 'How To' article for Wargames Illustrated a few years back, making Spartans from the Immortal Miniatures box. I had to greenstuff the braids on every model ... yeesh.
Anyhoo, I do like the look of those infantry. The accuracy issues as to the shape of the helmet and the length of the scabbard are probably beyond my pay-grade, but I do like the proportions and poses - they remind me very much of the Airfix WW2 infantry. I'm a fan of more realistic proportions without the exaggerated extremities seen on more traditional styles of 28mm sculpting. Being later war they obviously will have a lot of scope for use in VBCW and other inter-war fun.
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Actually, if anything they are more mid war, ie post Loos, around the Somme period. The absence of the large box respirator worn on the chest mitigates against late war. That said if they are 1916 era, there really should be a smaller gas hood cover at waist level. I can't see it.
Alas, for anyone contemplating a range to cover the whole war, there will inevitably be compromises. The same thing will be true of the Germans, unless they plan on figures with two sets of lower legs plus gas mask cases, seperate heads etc. Uneconomical for both manufacturer and customer I would have thought.
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Maybe there are gas mask options on the sprues?
Bit odd then.
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Maybe there are gas mask options on the sprues?
Bit odd then.
If there are, then judging by the photo, the box respirator would be absent its straps, which were reasonably prominent. I suppose most people won't notice. It probably wouldn't stop me from buying them if they clean up the other issues but of course, it will nag at me unless I modify each figure with some lead foil straps :)
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Already have a division to base these on when they come out, 36th.
Get the Green stuff out for the Sashes :D
TBH these don't excite me.
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Wow, plastic wwI is intriguing!! To bad they surely won't fit with my Renegase frenchs....
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Interesting reactions to a set of preview images... Its a good job they are using CAD to model them, without wasting time money and metal... Keep the comments coming as they are all good research for revising them... I like the idea of correct proportions, but the detail on plastics needs to be reconsidered as painting pin point buttons and tiny details is a pain in the bum.
Ive never had to use fillers on any plastic kit assemblies... If the part looks as if its not right I dont fit it.
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Is there someone from Victrix active on this forum? More importantly did they usually reply to consumer’s comments and suggestions about their WIP? :?
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Is there someone from Victrix active on this forum?
Not that I can recall...
Or if there is, I don't think they've ever shown their hand.
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I am just happy that this era is finally getting some plastics. Hopefully Victrix will take heed of customer feedback... I notice they mention the entrenching tool will be altered in the next preview. Even if they are not spot on they will make a good solid start for conversions. Even more excited to see the Germans...
Though I fear it may be the Centenary of the Somme before we have these in our hands.
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They look fine to me...though yes, correctly proportional which means they won't blend well with many other ranges. For someone who's standing on the outside of WW1 gaming looking in, a big box of 40-50 soldiers in nice plastic is pretty inviting (particularly if they support the range well...).
While they may not be everybody's cup of tea - I'm just always thrilled to see new products in the market...so good job!
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Another picture, this time also showing some Germans (taken from the Steve Dean Forum):
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m146/CiaphasCain_album/ECBB05E1-B6C7-4928-A674-5D86B80DE393_zpszet6qt6b.jpg)
Victrix also anounced on their homepage, that they are starting a range of plastic 15mm/1:100 WW2 aircrafts:
Exciting times at Victrix as the effort we have expended in digital technology is starting to bear fruit.
A major benefit for Victrix from the research and development into digital technology has allowed us to develop a new range of 1/100 scale (15mm to the wargamers) aircraft models. I must confess this new range really has got me in a fervent mood having always had a great interest in piston engine combat aircraft and I spent many happy hours as a child hanging Airfix aircraft models from my bedroom ceiling.
Initial Releases
The release schedule for our first 4 releases is as follows:
VXAC0001 Junkers Ju87D-5/G Stuka CAD completing and tooling scheduled
VXAC0002 Hawker Typhoon CAD underway
VXAC0003 P47 Thunderbolt CAD underway
VXAC0004 IL2 Sturmovik Design brief underway
Our initial releases obviously concentrate on the ground attack warfare but all being well the next tranche of releases will focus on one of history's most iconic air battles.
I'm not sure, how that affects the release of the Great War sets. :?
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I hate it to be a jerk, but the coalscuttle helmets look kind of WW2
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I hate it to be a jerk, but the coalscuttle helmets look kind of WW1
You mean WW2 right? Because they're certainly nothing like the shape of the M1916 stahlhelm...
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Yes, You are right and I cannot focus on writing.
sometimes....
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Do the tunics look short to you guys, they seem to just cover the butt?
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Do the tunics look short to you guys, they seem to just cover the butt?
Yes, I think that's adding to the 'not quite right' impression. It's a funny thing, but this is often the experience of looking at computer renders rather than traditional sculpts. It's almost like the computer software doesn't provide quite the finesse to get the small details exactly right, whereas a sculptor working in Green Stuff (or whatever) can.
They look fine to me...though yes, correctly proportional which means they won't blend well with many other ranges.
I'm afraid to my eye, they don't look correctly proportional. They look way too beefy for people of that era - all of the same slightly exaggerated physique. Are the legs too long? And there's something not right about the heads and necks.
To be fair though, we've only see a very few pictures and these are WIPs. I'm sure Victrix will work to improve these aspects, because they're certainly getting this feedback from what I've seen on a couple of other forums...
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Beefy is a problem, around 40% of British volunteers were turned down on health grounds, so this suggests some malnutrition in the remainder of the population.
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seriously, I am an avid proponent of 3D technology, but it appears like all the digital artists available are not interested in miniature sculpting. I cannot imagine all the skilled render wizards of the movie industry blundering about the poor digital sculpts I have seen so far. I know very well that the printing technology is not yet comparable to what a putty wizard can do, but if they don't start to get it right soon they will loose the innovative edge. All I've seen so far is simply disappointing. They should have them putty sculpted and scan them and then rework them digitally.
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I agree with the observations on the beefy proportions to an extent. If it were too heavy of a detractor, nearly every sculptor would be out of work except for maybe...Richard Ansell (sculptor for Fife & Drum Miniatures as well as others). Yes, the skirts are a tad short for the average issued tunic. Below is a wonderful, yet typical, picture of average German soldiers in the latter part of the war.
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3781/12313973904_3ee1c74558_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/drakegoodman/12313973904/)
"So sahen die Biester aus." / "Consort II" 8039? (http://www.flickr.com/photos/drakegoodman/12313973904/) by drakegoodman (http://www.flickr.com/people/drakegoodman/), on Flickr
The Steve Dean Forum http://www.sdean-forum.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=36118 (http://www.sdean-forum.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=36118) has some other great points of issue posted as well.
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They'll make 2 boxes, 1 Brit and 1 German. Everyone will buy them in hopes that the full line will be made...arty, cav, tanks, etc. but it will fall flat and everyone will be disappointed...but I could be wrong. ::)
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... I'm afraid to my eye, they don't look correctly proportional. They look way too beefy for people of that era - all of the same slightly exaggerated physique. Are the legs too long? And there's something not right about the heads and necks.
A lot of the Victrix napoleonic figures have long legs... or rather, short torso... :(
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They'll make 2 boxes, 1 Brit and 1 German. Everyone will buy them in hopes that the full line will be made...arty, cav, tanks, etc. but it will fall flat and everyone will be disappointed...but I could be wrong. Roll Eyes
I honestly chuckled out loud on that one! lol
David
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They look like 'upscaled' 20mm plastics to me.
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Raising from the grave... any new development on these? :?
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These are still the best option so far:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Tc67Azb1Cqc/Tk9YiH9T6jI/AAAAAAAAAD8/92T1DFvHKeg/s320/P1000484.JPG)
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maybe we have to accept that WW1 is simply not the market anyone wants to invest much effort in....
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I wonder to what extent the odd proportions are a result of their sculptors starting the process by "dressing" one of the readily-available mannequins that populate the screens of most video games: long legs, short torsos, beefy shoulders, fairly small heads...
Real people just don't look like that.
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I wonder to what extent the odd proportions are a result of their sculptors starting the process by "dressing" one of the readily-available mannequins that populate the screens of most video games: long legs, short torsos, beefy shoulders, fairly small heads...
That's an interesting point :?
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maybe we have to accept that WW1 is simply not the market anyone wants to invest much effort in....
Not true old chap, warlord have announced a bolt action ww1 game for next year around autumn.
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well, good luck to their sales I say
but will it be 28mm?
maybe the small ones from Studio Tomohawk is better suited?
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Not true old chap, warlord have announced a bolt action ww1 game for next year around autumn.
It will all be over by Christmas :~}
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well, good luck to their sales I say
but will it be 28mm?
maybe the small ones from Studio Tomohawk is better suited?
Who knows? they might get in a third party to do the miniatures as the piece only mentions a rulebook...although that wouldn't make much sense considering they have in their range all the tanks and a few cars from ww1.
I presume as bolt action it will be 28mm, i'd give an extremity to have a third party do most of the miniatures as no separate heads and warlord chooses well.
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well, Warlord does cover a lot of the involved parties usually and also cooperates, so...
I don't understand the harm in the separate head program though...
I would be disappointed to see another WW1 range that focuses only on the british contribution, there is no lack of available miniatures in that department....
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well, Warlord does cover a lot of the involved parties usually and also cooperates, so...
I don't understand the harm in the separate head program though...
I would be disappointed to see another WW1 range that focuses only on the british contribution, there is no lack of available miniatures in that department....
Too true, at his stage, Britain, France and Germany have been mined out, i'd like to see plastic kits though and some eastern front action.
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Too true, at his stage, Britain, France and Germany have been mined out, i'd like to see plastic kits though and some eastern front action.
Second that! Well.. almost. Some more LW frenchies would be nice also.
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Second that! Well.. almost. Some more LW frenchies would be nice also.
Indeed, i'd love perhaps a plastic early war kit for each of the poers plus metal conversion parts to represent later war equipment.
I want to see Russian shock troopers.
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Some more LW frenchies would be nice also.
well, that would be simple - heads with helmets +/- gasmasks, tack on gas kit and some forage cap heads
that's basically it.
The big trouble with the french is that they did not wear the greatcoats in the trench fights any more, and for this you need completely new figures
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Looks like Tsuba Miniatures are planning to do Early WW1 in plastic tsuba-miniatures.blogspot.de/2014/11/first-sneak-peek-on-new-project-28mm156.html (http://tsuba-miniatures.blogspot.de/2014/11/first-sneak-peek-on-new-project-28mm156.html)
Judging from the three ups they'll turn out great. Seems like WW1 finally gets some more attention.
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I have just created a separate thread for these :
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=72640.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=72640.0)