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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Argonor on 01 March 2014, 12:40:10 PM
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Couldn't find any other thread on this, hope I'm not making a double-post...
I just decided, after weighing pros and cons (there's a pun in there, right?) backing on Rampage level, to get a much stuff as possible within the appr. cost of a standard boxed game. I really like playing DreadBall, and want this version added to my collection. It may be my only larger purchase this year.
If someone out there should have missed it by some chance, I include the link here:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/dreadball-xtreme
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I like that they are moving the Asterians away from space elves and towards blue not-humans with Dreadball Extreme. I do not like the cheesecake though. I wonder why female bodies so often seem to repel clothes in gaming...
Otherwise the miniatures look good, I am more and more warming to Mantics style, which also gets more and more coherent. I just got a copy of Dreadball and I really like it so far. Hopefully Extreme is just as good.
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I backed the original DreadBall KS, too, and although I really dislike the material the minis are made from, I think the game is in itself very good.
I just have to settle for prepping one player at a time, from time to time, or it will drive me nuts. lol
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although I really dislike the material the minis are made from
Crucial to note here is that the Dread Xtreme range IS NOT MADE FROM RESTIC. It is made from a very differnt type of plastic, the same type used for the playing pieces in the Loka game that they released last year.
I dont play Loka, but I was given a Loka playing piece as a sample. From the limited amopunt of experimentation that I have done with it, its not the same ragged, burr filled experience to clean up. Its much better.
DreadBall is a great game. I have backed this KS too without hesitation.
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Crucial to note here is that the Dread Xtreme range IS NOT MADE FROM RESTIC. It is made from a very differnt type of plastic, the same type used for the playing pieces in the Loka game that they released last year.
I dont play Loka, but I was given a Loka playing piece as a sample. From the limited amopunt of experimentation that I have done with it, its not the same ragged, burr filled experience to clean up. Its much better.
DreadBall is a great game. I have backed this KS too without hesitation.
I was referring to the player minis I've already got (for the reasons stated, I've not managed to start painting a team, yet ::) ), as I thought I'd read somewhere that they would use a different material this time 'round.
After they annouunced today that they'll be unlocking a new season 5 team each day, the plot starts to thicken...
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I was referring to the player minis I've already got
I realised that, but I just figured that pointing out that the material is different early on in this thread was a good idea, seeing as most discussions about Mantics output tends to turn into a discussion on manufacturing material. If the material issue is addressed early then we can all discuss the other, more interesting aspects of the game/Kickstarter :)
I've not managed to start painting a team, yet
I got seven teams painted last year, plus a number of other DB bits bringing the total to ninety models. I am pretty pleased about that.
After they annouunced today that they'll be unlocking a new season 5 team each day, the plot starts to thicken...
Knowing that the rules are solid makes this a much easier investment for me than last time. I cant wait to get stuck into the new teams, both in terms of painting and playing :)
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I'll start painting my human team when the Sci-Fi Painting Club (or whatever it's gonna be called) goes live. I have to paint a Mega City Judge first, but then...
I find the painting clubs a blast for getting some long stalled projects back on the painting desk :)
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More dreadball, blech! Wish they'd done Warpath like they had originally planned, that game needs quite a lot of love to be remotely playable. Or redone the Dwarf King's Hold games, those are great games with just terrible components.
As for the material, the newer restic blend they used for deadzone wasn't that bad. A brass wire brush is absolutely essential. A brass wire brush is absolutely essential. A brass wire brush is absolutely essential. You can scrape the mold lines away with a knife or file and then the brush will remove all the burrs, barely takes longer than a metal figure to clean at that point.
oh, did I mention that a brass wire brush is absolutely essential?
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More dreadball, blech! Wish they'd done Warpath like they had originally planned, that game needs quite a lot of love to be remotely playable. Or redone the Dwarf King's Hold games, those are great games with just terrible components.
As for the material, the newer restic blend they used for deadzone wasn't that bad. A brass wire brush is absolutely essential. A brass wire brush is absolutely essential. A brass wire brush is absolutely essential. You can scrape the mold lines away with a knife or file and then the brush will remove all the burrs, barely takes longer than a metal figure to clean at that point.
oh, did I mention that a brass wire brush is absolutely essential?
Where the heck do I get a brass wire brush small enough for this purpose (I've ever only seen the Weber ones)?
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I was the guy that came up with using a brass wire brush to clean mould lines off restic miniatures :)
Here is my brief tutorial on the Mantic forums:
http://forum.manticblog.com/showthread.php?6363-Cleaning-Mould-Lines-on-Restic-Minis
Really, any stiff bristle brush will work!
Cheers
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I guess that it has to be one with metal bristles, though? A stiff toothbrush surely wouldn't do the trick.
Are they for sale in DIY stores or the likes, or are they some kind of specialist tool that has to be purchased from specific types of store?
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Where the heck do I get a brass wire brush small enough for this purpose (I've ever only seen the Weber ones)?
A lot of gun cleaning kits have suitable brushes.
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Any brass brush is fine, I use ones a little larger than toothbrushes I got at my local automotive store. The brushes don't really remove any material, when you scrub the minis they have an effect much like fine sandpaper that gets into the crevices and brushes away the jagged flakes left from scraping with a knife/file. Don't use the steel brushes, they're much stiffer and can leave fine lines in the plastic but with the brash brushes you can scrub pretty hard with no damage to the figs.
Also, my interest in DBX just went from 0 to "ORLY?". I was checking the mantic blog and came across these
(http://manticblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/crystallans-team_rework-21.jpg)
I may pick these up just to have, love thier ideas for a rock-people race. Really hope they make it into deadzone and warpath, at least as some kind of mercenary force. Still no real interest in DBX itself, but i do love the chance to see all these alien races.
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The brushes don't really remove any material, when you scrub the minis they have an effect much like fine sandpaper that gets into the crevices and brushes away the jagged flakes left from scraping with a knife/file. Don't use the steel brushes, they're much stiffer and can leave fine lines in the plastic but with the brash brushes you can scrub pretty hard with no damage to the figs.
Exactly. I have used a suede brush (as in a brush for brushing suede) to do this for years. Anyway, the material used to make the DBX models is not restic so its not really relevant here.
I may pick these up just to have, love thier ideas for a rock-people race. Really hope they make it into deadzone and warpath, at least as some kind of mercenary force. Still no real interest in DBX itself, but i do love the chance to see all these alien races.
Those models are being made out of translucent plastic, which could be cool. To date all the races in DreadBall have transferred to the rest of Mantics sci-fi universe, with things like the chovar now going the other way too. Its a safe bet to say that these crystal guys will make it to sci-fi skirmish as well as DreadBall over the next year or two.
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A lot of gun cleaning kits have suitable brushes.
Hmm. I'll see if I can find a hunting store, then. We don't have gun stores 'round here (most guns are illegal for civilians, and hunting guns can only be purchased if you have a hunting license).
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I am one of those weird people who actually prefer restic to metal... At least when it comes to miniatures that will be handled a lot. I went out and bought a wire brush today though. Works great! Especially if you use a nylon brush afterwards.
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I am one of those weird people who actually prefer restic to metal... At least when it comes to miniatures that will be handled a lot. I went out and bought a wire brush today though. Works great! Especially if you use a nylon brush afterwards.
I see you live in Sweden - what kind of shop did you get it in?
I just signed up for news at your blog, as I also happen have a very large garden (our lot is 4813 sq.m.), and I can always use tips and tricks for that, too ;)
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I got mine at Clas Ohlson, but you could probably get them cheaper at Jula or Biltema.
There will be more gaming stuff at the blog soon! If you have that large a garden, and in warm and mild Denmark as well, you could almost feed a family from it, or at least grow tons of stuff!
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In the past year and a half or so since I received my first batch of Dreadball figures from Mantic, I've turned into quite the shill for their games. Dreadball is great fun to play,, I've picked up the first Dwarf King's Hold game, and I've recently started work on my first batch of Deadzone stuff. I absolutely don't need more models (probably ever), but I'm in for the Frenzy pledge with DBX. More models and new ways to play my favourite game...I'm sold.
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I am looking forward to the modular pitch, big step forward for the game IMO. Some of the new teams are going to be interesting.
I wonder why female bodies so often seem to repel clothes in gaming...
This is only true for the new Asterians team, all of the previous female models have been fully clothed. At least they are not wearing chain-mail bikinis. ;)
I am one of those weird people who actually prefer restic to metal... At least when it comes to miniatures that will be handled a lot.
I have found that the resin, plastic, restic, etc. are better for games where handling the minis a lot is required. I often get chipped or rubber off paint on my metal minis after some play, this seem to happen much less with alternative materials.
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Hmm. I'll see if I can find a hunting store, then. We don't have gun stores 'round here (most guns are illegal for civilians, and hunting guns can only be purchased if you have a hunting license).
Hardware stores should have them as well.
Grimm
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Damn... If I could afford it, I would up my pledge to Frenzy... :?
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With a little less than a week to go, the Xtreme pledge levels are already better deals than the original Dreadball pledges were. I keep looking at what you get in Frenzy and being very happily surprised. On the other hand, it's pricey, and I really don't need all those new toys. Want, yes. Need, no. But when have any of us toy-soldier fanatics ever needed ANY of this stuff!? :)
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I went in for a small pledge, just to get access to the heavily discounted dreadball stuff in the pledge manager. I calculated that if I buy two teams I get away cheaper than buying them in a store, even with shipping added...
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Yeah, with Rampage I'll have plenty to work with, and I'll have plenty of time to save up for more stuff to add step-by-step... if I get around to it...
The important thing is to get the basics and the new rulebooks :)
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I think after this campaign, and just recently ordering the ultimate box set (season 3, which I didn't think to add to my order from the first DB kickstarter), the only rulebook I won't have in printed form will be season 2. It's not really a big deal since the backers all received PDFs, but the printed ones are nice.
As to Xtreme and the base game, I really like that they're covering all the bases for us. If you want to use the xtreme teams in original, you can. If you want to use the original teams in xtreme, you can. We already have a dozen teams, and with what looks like a dozen more...you can't say players won't have options both in their game play, and on their hobby table.
If you have interested parties in your area (for either game) I *highly* recommend at least giving a league a try. The game really shines with league play added in my opinion! So far I've played season 1 humans, Forge Fathers and Robots in leagues and they've each provided me with a very different experience.
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I think after this campaign, and just recently ordering the ultimate box set (season 3, which I didn't think to add to my order from the first DB kickstarter), the only rulebook I won't have in printed form will be season 2. It's not really a big deal since the backers all received PDFs, but the printed ones are nice.
As to Xtreme and the base game, I really like that they're covering all the bases for us. If you want to use the xtreme teams in original, you can. If you want to use the original teams in xtreme, you can. We already have a dozen teams, and with what looks like a dozen more...you can't say players won't have options both in their game play, and on their hobby table.
If you have interested parties in your area (for either game) I *highly* recommend at least giving a league a try. The game really shines with league play added in my opinion! So far I've played season 1 humans, Forge Fathers and Robots in leagues and they've each provided me with a very different experience.
Yup, I ordered the printed Season 2 rulebook at some point, so I shall have them all lined up.
What I REALLY like about DBX is that most players come pre-assembled. That should prove a big plus when trying to win over some convertites lol
As with most other non-GW games, I'm solely trying to hold high the torch of freedom around here, but actually, my regular gaming pal and a couple of other guys have begun showing interest in 'alternative' gaming (even buying small amounts of stuff for it). Given time, I'll be running some DB events - I am already planning starting to arrange a gamer gathering twice a year in my garage attic (with the possibility to expand onto the actual grage floor).
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Given time, I'll be running some DB events - I am already planning starting to arrange a gamer gathering twice a year in my garage attic (with the possibility to expand onto the actual grage floor).
A day-long Dreadball tournament would certainly be doable! Once folks learn the basic game you can play a match in around an hour. I could easily see a four round swiss get played, take a break for beer and food, and then play matches for the winners like in the olympics for 1st thru 3rd place.
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A day-long Dreadball tournament would certainly be doable! Once folks learn the basic game you can play a match in around an hour. I could easily see a four round swiss get played, take a break for beer and food, and then play matches for the winners like in the olympics for 1st thru 3rd place.
Absolutely - and at least one of my acquaintances would be very interested in jooinig in on the preparations!
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stumbled on these today:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0VY9bVmMYz8/UyRxtzCzJSI/AAAAAAAABEw/p3DrmlaBqFk/s1600/3_Brushes-01-400.JPG)
I think they are carbon, brass, and steel, but there's no telling from the package...
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They look just right! Try first with the softest plastic brush, it is often enough.
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They look just right! Try first with the softest plastic brush, it is often enough.
So a toothbrush would do the trick, too?
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Ah, well... have a substantial tax refund inbound, so I finally caved in and upped my pledge to Frenzy... Damn Kickstarters!! lol
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Toothbrushes are probably too soft, but give it a try! I am thinking of the black brush you got. It usually is three brushes you get in those kits, one plastic, one brass and one steel. I start with the plastic brush, and if that isn't enough I use the brass one. After I use the brass one I go back to the plastic to give it a final polish. I could put up a how-to on my blog if there is interest.
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Toothbrushes are probably too soft, but give it a try! I am thinking of the black brush you got. It usually is three brushes you get in those kits, one plastic, one brass and one steel. I start with the plastic brush, and if that isn't enough I use the brass one. After I use the brass one I go back to the plastic to give it a final polish. I could put up a how-to on my blog if there is interest.
That's probably a good call. I think I've got the general idea about it, but I like good tutorials ;)