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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: styx on May 30, 2014, 08:24:19 PM
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A Nickstarter is on the way.....I just hope they throw in some discounts on shipping to us overseas....Northstar has amazing looking figures but the shipping is a bit to be desired. One of the top reasons why I have not ordered from them before....I see other companies offer cheaper rates or free shipping even depending. That tends to win my money.
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The AFFOKF deal had free shipping, and when a few of the minis were miscast, they offered to replace them for free w/ free Stateside shipping. I like NS so much, I bought something extra and paid for the freebies to be shipped to me. Great company to deal with all around.
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The AFFOKF deal had free shipping, and when a few of the minis were miscast, they offered to replace them for free w/ free Stateside shipping. I like NS so much, I bought something extra and paid for the freebies to be shipped to me. Great company to deal with all around.
Well, they are dancing with my birthday money. Pirates yar! lol
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Aargh! Sign me up!
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i'm waiting for some informations ... i'm quite afraid of the "pirates of the carribean" look of some minis ...
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i'm quite afraid of the "pirates of the carribean" look of some minis ...
From what I've seen, miniatures are closer to some old Tintin strips or old pirate movies than PoC, but that's maybe that's your point. I guess they also intend to differ from the available ranges here and there so ... wait and see ^^
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tintin, j'aurais pas osé ;)
wait and see ...
as i plan to recruit crews for some mediterranean ships, i'm afraid of the "holywood pirate" look of some minis , mainly characters .
but i fall in love with Anne Bonny/Angélique (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=63856.30) ...
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(https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t1.0-9/1622689_774402545921983_1749800497_n.jpg)
François de haddock, what else ?
(http://s1.e-monsite.com/2009/04/05/11/11059156a-hadoque-jpg.jpg)
;)
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I'm going to be real torn on this one, there's so much to paint but I've been wanting to make up a proper pirate crew for some time...wife's a big, big, Disney fan ::).
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I'm going to be real torn on this one, there's so much to paint but I've been wanting to make up a proper pirate crew for some time...wife's a big, big, Disney fan ::).
Heh, I live about an hour from Disney with a pass, so when we go there, I want to ride it at least once, if not twice or more! Last time I was there it was down....
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Heh, I live about an hour from Disney with a pass, so when we go there, I want to ride it at least once, if not twice or more! Last time I was there it was down....
Guess I'll have to find me a proper Jack Sparrow...
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the beginning of the nick starter :
free monkey with the rules
from here : north star facebook (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=840932715935632&_fb_noscript=1) even if facebook is something i dislike a lot >:(
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Free monkey! Yea!
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Free monkey IN TRICORN! Yea! :D
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Want the monkey...
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Just don't take it anywhere near Hartlepool.
(http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w519/SteveFlanaganUK2/Odds%20and%20Ends/comics-the-hartlepool-monkey-1_zpscd26a2e7.jpg) (http://s1079.photobucket.com/user/SteveFlanaganUK2/media/Odds%20and%20Ends/comics-the-hartlepool-monkey-1_zpscd26a2e7.jpg.html)
That's a hugely entertaining comic book, by the way.
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I think I want that ugly little monkey in a tricorne too... :?
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I'm guessing that's a comic based on the Monkey mascot from that ship in the Napoleonic Wars who was apparently hung for being a spy? Hah, very cool. Lovely looking art.
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June 9th today, any word on the Nickstarter? Wife is asking me what I want for my birthday but I can't tell her $$$$!!!
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still waiting ... :-[
i'm waiting to recruit crews for my mediterranean fleets ...
for the barbary coast, it's done using a mix of WF, eureka and pontoonier miniatures , but for the french, spanish, italian , i'm waiting :
North Star or WF ?
And i want the North Star Ann Bonny ;D
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I'm guessing that's a comic based on the Monkey mascot from that ship in the Napoleonic Wars who was apparently hung for being a spy?
It was all a misunderstanding because he surrendered and ate cheese.
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figs are on NS website (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=67813.0)
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*sigh* May have to pick and choose and not get all the exclusive figs....grrr...flipping exchange rate sucks! Wish there was an option of pick 2 crew or 4 crew packs instead of all and add a few exclusives in....eip! Well maybe I can ebay the difference....
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When is the "i want it all" deal going to be available, because I WANT IT ALL !!!! lol lol
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I'm hoping for some more details about the rules before I pull the trigger on a preorder that large. Especially the ship rules. So far I've really liked all the Osprey games though. I'm really hoping for a rule set that covers the ship and the figures and combines them into a neat little package.
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I'm hoping for some more details about the rules before I pull the trigger on a preorder that large. Especially the ship rules. So far I've really liked all the Osprey games though. I'm really hoping for a rule set that covers the ship and the figures and combines them into a neat little package.
I heard the ship rules area low how they are presented in Legends of the High Seas, so you could have ship battles or skirmish games with ships but the primary focus is land based skirmishes.
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When is the "i want it all" deal going to be available, because I WANT IT ALL !!!! lol lol
The Queen song on the comment on the Facebook page is quite fitting.
Now just to find room in the painting pile!
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I heard the ship rules area low how they are presented in Legends of the High Seas, so you could have ship battles or skirmish games with ships but the primary focus is land based skirmishes.
Hmmm, I hope it's a bit better. The LOTHS was mediocre at best - but nothing saying we can't crank out some house rules if they're a bit soft. I just need to convince some other people to play this with me. I don't know if I can paint/afford to host a full game at the moment. I am looking forward to making the board for this though. Luckily I still have my islands stashed away!
PS: Just posted to their facebook - I like most of the minis but they all seem overly characterful (as mentioned beforehand by some folks). Some are very Disney-esque and I'd say at this point I prefer the less absurd Black Scorpion (but I won't buy any more of their resin figures) ones. I'd definitely consider picking up some up, but I was hoping for some more average deck hands. Everyone seems to be dressed up in their Sunday best.
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Careful, Grant, they are 28s. lol
Just posted about this on my blog. ;)
http://soldatetain.wordpress.com/2014/06/10/yo-ho-yo-ho-a-pirates-life-for-me/
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I like most of the minis but they all seem overly characterful (as mentioned beforehand by some folks). Some are very Disney-esque
5 one eyed figures on 24 figures ... 4 one eyed figures (half of the crew!) in the blackbeard crew ...
12 bearded figures on 24 figures ( of wich 2 are women )
but a very useful Royal Navy crew, a beautiful Anne Bonny,
i'm waiting to see the "18th Century sailors"b waiting for more commonly (poorly) dressed sailors miniatures.
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Yeah if I was making a crew I'd prefer having 3-4 stylish characters and then a dozen gunhands who are much more simply dressed, not so overly ornate. Maybe they can be dumbed down a bit with less vibrant paintjobs or something. I do like some of the figures - but don't care much for the absurd captain models.
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I posted this on another thread previously:
From the author's introduction:
Model ships or smaller vessels, if these are to be used in your game. An enjoyable game can be had between purely land-based forces, but fights at sea will be an important part of many pirate scenarios, and battles between and on board ships are fully catered for in the rules.
The naval rules use the same base system as the land combat, and equipment options can have no effect ashore, but a boon on ship. Likewise, certain model characteristics might place them at an advantage or disadvantage on board ship - it's a pretty integrated system!
The focus is on pirate/naval crews, rather than on fleets of ships, but it is just as easy to run a game with two ships dueling broadsides before closing to board as it is a skirmish in the streets of Havana - and once it comes down to boarding, with allowances for the different 'terrain', the same system is used. The largest ship covered in the rules is one with a nominal crew of 60 (plus 12 swivel guns and 12 cannon). This could represent a brig, brigantine, dhow, junk or a small frigate, depending on your interpretation - but bearing in mind that the average crew size is c.15 men (broadly speaking, it's a 1:5 figure ratio and a 1:2.5 gun ratio), you're looking at a pretty formidable beast. On the flip side, the smallest vessel covered is a row boat.
There are even rules for sharks, alligators etc. should your crew end up in dangerous waters!
The core system is d10 driven, and based around two main motivations - Fear and Greed - that drive a crew forwards (or backwards). Captains have a number of activation options with which to affect these two drives, by encouraging or exhorting their crew, or threatening the enemy, for example. Fear represents, naturally, the crew's (dis)inclination to stay and fight, while Greed is their drive to take risks in the pursuit of wealth, glory or whatever. Greed is not always good - it can lead to crews dashing off and leaving themselves unable to respond to enemy actions, so Captains will need to carefully weigh the pros and cons of a more cautious or more aggressive approach.
This is a system designed to keep crews of rough, argumentative and ill-disciplined pirates in a state of constant nervous tension, befitting the genre - but it might not be for everyone, so the author outlines an alternate option that offers increased control over crews, simply by increasing the chances of Captains being able to affect Fear and Greed.
Other tidbits...
- 4 Captain-only personality characteristics
- 7 other personality characteristics
- 13 missile weapons, from pistol to powdered lime
- 5 classes of melee weapon
- 4 ship types
- A basic campaign system
- 12 faction lists, from Sea Dogs to Cimaroons
And my personal favourite:
- 'Fire and Smoke' - a guide to setting things on fire
I hope that helps somewhat. As I've said before, please feel free to ask any questions you like, and I'll do my best to answer them.
Cheers!
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Is there going to be a Peter Pan figure?
Well, you've got rules for crocodiles and one of those figures bears an uncanny resemblance to a certain pirate captain...
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I'm thinking I may contact my laser-cuttin' buddy and start convincing him to make a couple of small sloops with MDF and maybe heavy card...hmmm... lol
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I'm thinking I may contact my laser-cuttin' buddy and start convincing him to make a couple of small sloops with MDF and maybe heavy card...hmmm... lol
it's quite easy to build some ship, using card and balsa wood .
you find a lot of ships drawings, i think of the chapman drawings
you can find them here : http://www.sjohistoriska.se/en/Collections/Archives/ChapmanNet/ChapmanNet/Drawings/?pressimagepage=1 (http://www.sjohistoriska.se/en/Collections/Archives/ChapmanNet/ChapmanNet/Drawings/?pressimagepage=1)
Need a Smee too, then...
he is in the captain hood's crew ;)
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Hmmmm, just realised no South East Asian pirates amoungst the ones shown by North Star
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Wako pirates are out there - Forlorn Hope now has them, IIRC - and the Foundry Pirates are excellent!
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I'm thinking I may contact my laser-cuttin' buddy and start convincing him to make a couple of small sloops with MDF and maybe heavy card...hmmm... lol
Laser Dream Works make some great ships which would work, including this one: http://www.laserdreamworks.com/28mm-pirate-brigantine/
I have it started, but also have this one much smaller ship finished:
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/CptJake_Minis/Pirates/P3080003.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/CptJake_Minis/Pirates/P3080002.jpg)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg134/CptJake_Minis/Pirates/P3010004.jpg)
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Hmmmm, just realised no South East Asian pirates amoungst the ones shown by North Star
Nor Elizabethan Sea Dogs, Barbary Corsairs, Wo-k'ou, Buccaneers, Ch'i Chi-Kuang's anti-pirate militia, Spanish treasure fleets, colonial garrisons, native tribesmen or Cimaroons, but they're all in the book!
Personally, and while this might sound like a plug for North Star... I'm thinking about using the Ronin bandit buntai for my Wo-k'ou - they've got that scrappy, mercenary feel that fits. I may need to mix in some Cavalcade too for variety...
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Nor Elizabethan Sea Dogs, Barbary Corsairs, Wo-k'ou, Buccaneers, Ch'i Chi-Kuang's anti-pirate militia, Spanish treasure fleets, colonial garrisons, native tribesmen or Cimaroons, but they're all in the book!
but you have some pretty nice figs from other manufacturers ;)
I 'm waiting for a range who fill the gap, in naval crew ranges, between 1750 and the beginning of the napoleonic area . ( if the sailors can be used for this period, the characters dress is not suitable for this period )
As said in french " l'espoir fait vivre" ;)
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Some of these are very nice. :)
But I have some difficulty (or is it only me?) when sculptors make holes in the hat brims to represent tricorns.
(http://downloads.northstarfigures.com/newsletter/images/119_2627.jpg)[/quote]
...or should they include a rabbit with it?
(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130127071131/pirates/images/c/cf/BuccaneerBunny.jpg)[/quote]
...But don't misunderstand me; as I said, some of the other miniatures in this range are very appealing. :)
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Capt. Jake,
Yeah those are pretty nice looking. Actually what I'm considering asking him to do are some 60% ships. Basically a base floor, a raised deck, the rear tower...and then maybe a mast. I'll provide the sides with plasticard or heavy card..and I think he could swing them for $10-15 a pop. lol I'm a bit of a cheapskate. I'm going to talk to him about it this week. I may start selling products through him so maybe I can release a small line of "build your own" ships when this game comes out.
While we're at it - who's got a quality source for deck guns? I picked up some from Dogs of War a while back and they're miniscule - think 20mm instead of 28mms. The Dogs of War rowboats on the other hand are simply splendid and I have three of them. Great quality.
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Nor Elizabethan Sea Dogs, Barbary Corsairs, Wo-k'ou, Buccaneers, Ch'i Chi-Kuang's anti-pirate militia, Spanish treasure fleets, colonial garrisons, native tribesmen or Cimaroons, but they're all in the book!
Personally, and while this might sound like a plug for North Star... I'm thinking about using the Ronin bandit buntai for my Wo-k'ou - they've got that scrappy, mercenary feel that fits. I may need to mix in some Cavalcade too for variety...
I am planning on Using some North Star Bandit models, some perry Ikko Ikki and maybe a couple of Cavalcade Wako. Though I want to see how the wako ones compare size wise first.
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Capt. Jake,
While we're at it - who's got a quality source for deck guns? I picked up some from Dogs of War a while back and they're miniscule - think 20mm instead of 28mms. The Dogs of War rowboats on the other hand are simply splendid and I have three of them. Great quality.
try Amati guns
nice guns , wooden carriage, weathered barrel, no paint job :D
40mm gun on 30mm carriage or 50mm on 40mm carriage .
the price in france is around 2,20 € .
you can see some in this topic : making a chebeck (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=65092.msg795791#msg795791)
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The largest ship covered in the rules is one with a nominal crew of 60 (plus 12 swivel guns and 12 cannon). This could represent a brig, brigantine, dhow, junk or a small frigate, depending on your interpretation
4 ship types
I hope that helps somewhat. As I've said before, please feel free to ask any questions you like, and I'll do my best to answer them.
Cheers!
so, no polaca, xebec, pink, galiot, small galley ?
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Capt. Jake,
Yeah those are pretty nice looking. Actually what I'm considering asking him to do are some 60% ships. Basically a base floor, a raised deck, the rear tower...and then maybe a mast. I'll provide the sides with plasticard or heavy card..and I think he could swing them for $10-15 a pop. lol I'm a bit of a cheapskate. I'm going to talk to him about it this week. I may start selling products through him so maybe I can release a small line of "build your own" ships when this game comes out.
While we're at it - who's got a quality source for deck guns? I picked up some from Dogs of War a while back and they're miniscule - think 20mm instead of 28mms. The Dogs of War rowboats on the other hand are simply splendid and I have three of them. Great quality.
No idea if the guns are any good but they are very cheap so might be worth a punt
http://www.irregularminiatures.co.uk/25mmRanges/25mmPirates.htm
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Way back when LOTHS was in favour a mate produced these ships and guns, cheap as chips and may satisfy your fix ;D
http://minimi.co.uk/pirates/
cannon are only a £1 a pop
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so, no polaca, xebec, pink, galiot, small galley ?
Not by name, no. The rules don't attempt to differentiate between every ship type ever built!
The 4 ship types cover broadly comparable 'classes' of ship, based on handling, armament and crew (the three main factors for ship use in the game):
- 'Boat' - max. 10 figures, plus max. 1 light cannon or swivel gun in bow
- 'Galley' - max. 20 figures (fighting crew, not slave rowers), plus max. 1 swivel gun or light or heavy cannon in bow, plus max. 2 swivel guns on each broadside
- 'Sloop' - max. 20 figures, plus max. 8 swivel guns, plus max. 4 light cannon
- The aforementioned 'Ship', which is the largest option
Some of the most common types to be found within each 'class' are listed - such as those posted previously for the 'Ship', or the pinnaces, xebecs, small schooners, sekibune and caravels included in the 'Sloop' category. This should prove enough to give you a starting point if you want to use something more exotic.
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for the guns, for "small" guns ( as found on most pirates or privateers ships and on upper decks of manOwar) i use games of war (http://www.gamesofwar.net/acatalog/Pirate_Supplies_Store.html) canons 2,50£ for 2 guns ,
you can see some of them on my mediterranéan privateer
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/dscn1434.jpg)
the ship's kit is pretty nice too
postage free worldwide , usualy, your order is send the next day ...
Not by name, no. The rules don't attempt to differentiate between every ship type ever built!
The 4 ship types cover broadly comparable 'classes' of ship, based on handling, armament and crew (the three main factors for ship use in the game):
well those mediterranean ships ( polaca, pink, xebec ) are "big" ships, frigate size and armamant ( a xebec with 20 guns and 20 swivel guns is not uncommon ) , and not galley (and their ridiculous armamant :D ) , but using sails and oars ...
that's a 5th ship type ;) the missing element ;)
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I remember having an argument with someone on another forum about xebecs. He argued that the action as described in 'Master and Commander' could not have happened as described because of the relative heights of the sloop and xebec involved. I told him he was an eejit since the sloop was fictional, the xebec was fictional, and neither 'class' of boat was built to any specific blueprint, all of them being different sizes.
I think when I put it that way, he decided he'd had enough.
Which proves two things -
1) Don't get carried away with the definitions of the boats/ships, since they're usually pretty broad.
2) Don't get caught up in petty arguments on the internet about anything at all, because it is scientifically proven to shrivel your genitals and make you grow a foreskin around your neck.
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Tell him he's an eejit, not because it was fictional, but because none of it was fictional. The fight between Sophie and the Cacafuego in 'Master and Commander' was basically the real-life action of HMS Speedy versus the Spanish Xebec-Frigate El Gamo but with all the names changed.
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I guess, the question is this: Is this all that Northstar is going to offer is the large lot with free shipping with the bonus figs and the monkey with the book? Will there be any other deals?
Payday is near and the wife is asking me to consider birthday options. While I don't doubt the large package is a great deal, it is out of my range. I was curious if there are going to be other options or just this. Helps me make a call on what I am going to get.
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In addition to that, will there be a 'Nickstarter' Page like there was with OGAM, or is it just ordering through the webstore?
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Tell him he's an eejit, not because it was fictional, but because none of it was fictional. The fight between Sophie and the Cacafuego in 'Master and Commander' was basically the real-life action of HMS Speedy versus the Spanish Xebec-Frigate El Gamo but with all the names changed.
Aah, that's the issue, it wasn't. It was based on the action, but the events were significantly changed - ie. in the book O'Brien puts the guns of the 'Cacafuego' too high to fire on the deck of the 'Sophie' when in close; rather than in real life where Cochrane used superior seamanship to make sure the 'El Gamo' was tilting (and the guns pointing downwards into the sea) whilst the 'Speedy' could fire up through its enemy's decks at point blank range.
This was basically the whole argument, that this guy said the fictional account couldn't have happened as it was written (which we both agreed was different from the actual event) because a xebec's decks weren't higher than a sloop's; whereas I told him since the vessels were both fictional versions of boats of varying dimensions (and the waterline is also largely dependent on what weight a boat/ship is carrying) he couldn't possibly rule one way or the other and that it was entirely possible for a large xebec to be higher in the water than a small sloop.
I told you it was petty. I'm such a nob for getting caught up in piffling crap like that.
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Free monkey IN TRICORN! Yea! :D
A TRICORN! Must have, must have......... :o
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I told you it was petty. I'm such a nob for getting caught up in piffling crap like that.
Aye, the internet will do that to the best of men. No avoiding it, sometimes.
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Nickstarter ? go :D (http://nstarmagazine.com/ON_THE_SEVEN_SEAS.htm)
some good news, free figures and discounted postage
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So, is there no way to buy the special figures? I really like the high seas drifter, but I do not see myself spending 130 quid on this. I would happily pay for the bonus figure, however...
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Way back when LOTHS was in favour a mate produced these ships and guns, cheap as chips and may satisfy your fix ;D
http://minimi.co.uk/pirates/
cannon are only a £1 a pop
Cannons are a bargan and the ships are cheap as well. Shame there are no Japanese style Bunes.
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So, is there no way to buy the special figures? I really like the high seas drifter, but I do not see myself spending 130 quid on this. I would happily pay for the bonus figure, however...
as said in the newsletter :
Nickstarter OTSS freebies may be on sale at some point in the future, but not before November 2014.
if you're not in a hurry ;)
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A huge thank you to Northstar from someone in the US that partnered with Brigade Games to Nickstarter those of us in the US and make shipping a bit better. the 10% is not bad and the 25% ROW price sucks for those of us that are making smaller orders.
If you are in the US/Canada/Mexico (ie on the other side of the pond):
http://brigadegames.3dcartstores.com/NorthStar-On-The-Seven-Seas_c_545.html?utm_source=BrigadeGames.com+Newsletter&utm_campaign=39128b134c-OnTheSevenSeas20140616&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3acbc52438-39128b134c-290803413&mc_cid=39128b134c&mc_eid=f3f1269922
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postage rates became crazy, those years .
the end of the universal postal service as a cheap and efficient service ( and not a business ) is going to kill many companies .
It's a pity ... when you order 12 figures from 2 UK manufacturers, postage rate to France ( 800 km ) comes to 33% . :'(
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Whats happening to the UK postal service is a disappointment. Can only see prices getting higher from here onwards.
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postage rates became crazy, those years .
the end of the universal postal service as a cheap and efficient service ( and not a business ) is going to kill many companies .
It's a pity ... when you order 12 figures from 2 UK manufacturers, postage rate to France ( 800 km ) comes to 33% . :'(
Wow, at least for the charges we get they have to haul them over the pond not the channel! holy smokes!
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Wow, at least for the charges we get they have to haul them over the pond not the channel! holy smokes!
I used to work for a mail order company a few years ago and at the time, it was cheaper to ship to the States than it was to Europe and at certain weight brackets it was actually cheaper than shipping it within the UK....
Shipping costs have just gotten insane/realistic over the last couple of years. It's sad but anyone who isn't charging 20+% for world wide shipping is probably taking a hit on the postage* currently. I actually sent a package via a private courier last month for much less than the Royal Mail could have done and with a much better service level, I was shocked.
*Depending on product price of course. A £2000 item item probably doesn't need 20% shipping, whereas a £15 miniatures order probably actually needs closer to 50% really.
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I must say, this preorder is pretty disappointing. The figures look great, but there does not seem to be any significant discount other than bonus figures, the nicest/most desirable of which are only accessible if you buy everything. If I am going to be giving you my money for several months, I would expect a bigger discount or at least make the extra figures optional add-ons.
Right now I see very little reason to buy immediately. It won't be much different to just wait until they are released, buy the book from amazon for like half price, and buy the figures from a north american supplier with more favourable shipping rates. Most likely by then the hype will have died down and other projects will have claimed my interest. :?
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I've jumped on it although I'm very skint but the lure of pirates is too much to ignore......hopefully this one will come with the boxes as the IHMN didn't >:(
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It won't be much different to just wait until they are released, buy the book from amazon for like half price, and buy the figures from a north american supplier with more favourable shipping rates.
Yep, I can pre-order the book from Amazon for $13.59 including shipping (and a 'lowest price guarantee') or I can pre-order from Brigade at $18 plus shipping and get a 'free' monkey.
Guess I skip the monkey.
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I like some of Brigade Game's miniatures but their store is...not cheap. Unless they are the sole provider, I skip them as a retailer. Prices are essentially MSRP (which is not competitive with many other online retailers).
I actually ordered a couple packs of Foundry pirates to get started on...I have some painted up Playmobil ships, so I'd like to have a small crew finished when the game releases. If the Foundry match up well enough I'll grab a box of NorthStar figs but they're a bit too goofy for me at the moment. Shame as I'd have bought the whole lot of Black Scorpion figures if they were still in metal. lol
Either way I'll be picking up the game, just not likely the miniatures (maybe one box so I can get a nock gun). I am patiently awaiting pictures of the deck hands/gun hands though - that'd be something I'd consider.
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I've jumped on it although I'm very skint but the lure of pirates is too much to ignore......hopefully this one will come with the boxes as the IHMN didn't >:(
I got Boxes with my IHMN, and my A Fistful of Kung Fu . . .. .
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I used to work for a mail order company a few years ago and at the time, it was cheaper to ship to the States than it was to Europe and at certain weight brackets it was actually cheaper than shipping it within the UK....
Shipping costs have just gotten insane/realistic over the last couple of years. It's sad but anyone who isn't charging 20+% for world wide shipping is probably taking a hit on the postage* currently. I actually sent a package via a private courier last month for much less than the Royal Mail could have done and with a much better service level, I was shocked.
*Depending on product price of course. A £2000 item item probably doesn't need 20% shipping, whereas a £15 miniatures order probably actually needs closer to 50% really.
even if you ship a parcell from france to france and can't send it as "letter", it's crazy .
For domestic parcells ( and Belgium-Luxembourg) , i use "mondial relay" it' quite "cheap":
quite flat rate from 4,50 € (0 to 0,5kg)to 6,6 € ( less than 3Kg)
where postal service wille be from 6,30€ to 10,05€ ...
But most private courier prices are ... crazy .
20 years ago, it was difficult to buy minis, ( you have to order catalogs, send an IMO, ... ) now, it's easy , you have the choice , you buy the minis or you pay the postage ;)
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Im very torn whether to go all in or not.
I have been trying to keep myself to only three things running at once this year and it's Saga/Bolt Action/40k Orks at the moment. One would have to give and I don't want to give any of them up.
Monies is slightly tight, but I think I could stretch to the £130. Other option is to wait to Christmas, but the model I want most is the extra model at the 'I want it all' level.
I could get and add to the pile for once one of the other three projects are finished but tend to find that means it gets left even longer.
Ponders onwards
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The figures are absolute amazing! I'm very tempted by this, but I'm noticing a trend with these Osprey games: there are essential features, mostly regarding terrain, missing from every system. For the modern Asian urban combat game, there was no modern urban Asian terrain available. For the pirate game, even though there are rules included for ships, the system is not bundled with any sort of affordable way to do ship battles or boarding actions.
Don't get me wrong I know that this forum is a scratch builders paradise, but for some of us having to scratch build is a deal-breaker--I barely have enough time to paint the figures as is. Couldn't some kind of partnership have been struck with 4ground or Laser DreamWorks to provide a few bare bones waterline ships to go along with this game? Look at what Great Escape Games has done in pairing with 4ground to create western terrain with their old west game. Even some flat 2-D poster maps of ships at the appropriate scale to get us started would be cheap and appreciated for someone like me.
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I'm not sure that 2 rule-sets constitutes a trend! :P
Producing a dedicated terrain line for every game is a little excessive - Dux Bellorum, A World Aflame, In Her Majesty's Name, Ronin and Of Gods and Mortals are all well-catered for with both generic (trees, hills etc.) and specific (buildings etc.) terrain available from a number of sources if you really don't care for scratch-building.
A Fistful of Kung Fu presents slightly more unique challenges, I agree, but combining off-the-shelf historical and modern terrain options provides huge amounts of possibilities before you even need to approach scratch-building. I've combined modern and generic terrain with aquarium scenery for my stuff - then again, I don't particularly want to play exclusively urban games, so the more rural setting suits me. Indeed, the game's intro states that it isn't necessarily 'urban'... or even 'modern'. I've got it running wuxia martial arts quite merrily, with not a John Woo gunfight to be seen! The North Star figures reflect this too - 2 of the 4 sets work just as well in the present as in the past, and in the city as in the countryside.
As for On the Seven Seas, if you're looking for ships, there's a pretty extensive range of options here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=24456.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=24456.0). I'm using a converted Playmobil ship for my own games, but given how often I've burned myself with hot glue, I'm beginning to wish I'd just gone for something off-the-shelf! In fact, I think LaserDreamWorks already have a range of ships, no?
The joy of Western games and MDF buildings is that the style of architecture can be really nicely replicated in MDF - I would LOVE to be able to build a Caribbean pirate town that simply (and inexpensively), so if anyone wants to take up the challenge, I'm all ears!
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I got Boxes with my IHMN, and my A Fistful of Kung Fu . . .. .
I've emailed Nick. I have meant to ask ever since picking it up from a show last year...I assumed the boxes weren't ready and meant to ask at some point but, as the saying goes, one thing led to another......
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i have not ordered yet ...
i'm interested in the rules, the Calico Jack crew, but i'm waiting for more informations about the 18th century sailors ...
wait and see :o
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I feel the same as I did about the IHMN boxed sets.
I can completely understand it from the manufacturer's point of view, but from the customer's point of view, whilst there are a lot of nice figures in there, they are not packaged in the combinations I want to buy, and the boxes are damned expensive anyway.
£23 for 8 figures is top end premium pricing as far as wargames figures are concerned.
By way of comparison, 8-figure Foundry packs are currently £12. And that's from FOUNDRY.
So paying 3 quid a figure for a 'boxed set' (formerly known as a pack) in order to get 2 or 3 figures I want along with 4 or 5 that I don't, isn't an attractive offer... It means I'm paying £6 or £7 for the figures I'd like. Which clearly isn't tenable. I'd really like quite a few of those figures, but not at that price.
Twas ever thus with packs of figures, of course. You take the rough with the smooth. I always accept I'm going to get a few figures I don't want in with a lot that I do.
But not at a £3 per figure starting price point.
I'd suggest that if you are going to charge top end prices, you'd be better off selling the figures as singles, like Hasselfree and other 'premium' figure vendors.
Still, presumably this pricing model has proved successful or Nick wouldn't be persisting with it. So good luck with it :)
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I feel the same as I did about the IHMN boxed sets.
I can completely understand it from the manufacturer's point of view, but from the customer's point of view, whilst there are a lot of nice figures in there, they are not packaged in the combinations I want to buy, and the boxes are damned expensive anyway.
£23 for 8 figures is top end premium pricing as far as wargames figures are concerned.
By way of comparison, 8-figure Foundry packs are currently £12. And that's from FOUNDRY.
So paying 3 quid a figure for a 'boxed set' (formerly known as a pack) in order to get 2 or 3 figures I want along with 4 or 5 that I don't, isn't an attractive offer... It means I'm paying £6 or £7 for the figures I'd like. Which clearly isn't tenable. I'd really like quite a few of those figures, but not at that price.
Twas ever thus with packs of figures, of course. You take the rough with the smooth. I always accept I'm going to get a few figures I don't want in with a lot that I do.
But not at a £3 per figure starting price point.
I'd suggest that if you are going to charge top end prices, you'd be better off selling the figures as singles, like Hasselfree and other 'premium' figure vendors.
Still, presumably this pricing model has proved successful or Nick wouldn't be persisting with it. So good luck with it :)
Artizan have that model with their Thrilling tales if I recall, may be something to consider?
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I'm not sure that 2 rule-sets constitutes a trend! :P
Producing a dedicated terrain line for every game is a little excessive - Dux Bellorum, A World Aflame, In Her Majesty's Name, Ronin and Of Gods and Mortals are all well-catered for with both generic (trees, hills etc.) and specific (buildings etc.) terrain available from a number of sources if you really don't care for scratch-building.
A Fistful of Kung Fu presents slightly more unique challenges, I agree, but combining off-the-shelf historical and modern terrain options provides huge amounts of possibilities before you even need to approach scratch-building. I've combined modern and generic terrain with aquarium scenery for my stuff - then again, I don't particularly want to play exclusively urban games, so the more rural setting suits me. Indeed, the game's intro states that it isn't necessarily 'urban'... or even 'modern'. I've got it running wuxia martial arts quite merrily, with not a John Woo gunfight to be seen! The North Star figures reflect this too - 2 of the 4 sets work just as well in the present as in the past, and in the city as in the countryside.
As for On the Seven Seas, if you're looking for ships, there's a pretty extensive range of options here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=24456.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=24456.0). I'm using a converted Playmobil ship for my own games, but given how often I've burned myself with hot glue, I'm beginning to wish I'd just gone for something off-the-shelf! In fact, I think LaserDreamWorks already have a range of ships, no?
The joy of Western games and MDF buildings is that the style of architecture can be really nicely replicated in MDF - I would LOVE to be able to build a Caribbean pirate town that simply (and inexpensively), so if anyone wants to take up the challenge, I'm all ears!
Do you mind sharing your fist full of Kung fu board or terrain? Would love to see it. Maybe better to post it in it's own thread if you do though.
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I feel the same as I did about the IHMN boxed sets.
I can completely understand it from the manufacturer's point of view, but from the customer's point of view, whilst there are a lot of nice figures in there, they are not packaged in the combinations I want to buy, and the boxes are damned expensive anyway.
£23 for 8 figures is top end premium pricing as far as wargames figures are concerned.
By way of comparison, 8-figure Foundry packs are currently £12. And that's from FOUNDRY.
So paying 3 quid a figure for a 'boxed set' (formerly known as a pack) in order to get 2 or 3 figures I want along with 4 or 5 that I don't, isn't an attractive offer... It means I'm paying £6 or £7 for the figures I'd like. Which clearly isn't tenable. I'd really like quite a few of those figures, but not at that price.
Twas ever thus with packs of figures, of course. You take the rough with the smooth. I always accept I'm going to get a few figures I don't want in with a lot that I do.
But not at a £3 per figure starting price point.
I'd suggest that if you are going to charge top end prices, you'd be better off selling the figures as singles, like Hasselfree and other 'premium' figure vendors.
Still, presumably this pricing model has proved successful or Nick wouldn't be persisting with it. So good luck with it :)
Honestly I would be happy to pay slightly more for a model if I could purchase them as singles. So many packs I either want a few figures from or want duplicates of one or two models.
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Artizan have that model with their Thrilling tales if I recall, may be something to consider?
Yeah, Artizan (North Star, in fact) sell the same Thrilling Tales figures as singles, in small packs of three matched figures, or (I think) as larger sets.
I don't mind paying top whack for a wargames figure if I can buy the ones I want, and I have a lot of Thrilling Tales figures as a result (like half the entire range) - because I've been able to buy the ones I want.
I would have bought quite a few of the IHMN figures, and (potentially) a fair number of these new pirate figures too - if I could buy the ones I want. But as it is, I probably won't buy any, for the reasons outlined above.
I do understand the manufacturers' rationale for selling figures in packs, and how this links to the economics of casting and so on. After all, it's been assiduously drummed into us wargamers by 'the industry' for years.
Vendors must presumably understand that a proportion of potential customers will be lost through that pricing and packaging model. Because ultimately people want to buy the figures they want - not the figures they don't.
At a pound a figure, buying in packs isn't such a big deal. But at three pounds a figure, it is.
But again - I guess it must work out for them, or I assume they wouldn't do it that way...
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At a pound a figure, buying in packs isn't such a big deal. But at three pounds a figure, it is.
for us, UE € customers, it' quite 5€ a fig, postage inculded , that's quite 4£ ...
that's the industry ( that's to say games workshop >:( ) victory ...
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The past nickstarter were very nice, I loved them. But this time, beeing honest, all figures look very similar. I hoped the get some in single packs. Richard is right. As nmanufacturer it is understandable to sell the whole bunch in one piece, but as customer I have to say no. I think (my oninion), that after so much good stuff it would be good for Steve Saleh to make a creativity break to come back with the known quality.
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Nick has added some of my flags to the site as part of the deal.
http://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=173&page=1
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Going to have to add some of those to my pre-order. Bloody lovely. :D
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In regards to folks wanting more terrain, looks like there will be a KS launched in July from a company planning to do pirate-themed ships and buildings. Update from their last KS here:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/renaissanceminiature/east-asian-village-for-28mm-gamers/posts/879807
A couple photos of prototypes:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/154/949/10bb7c56a77cb459788b945cccaf4fdf_large.jpg?1402970240)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/154/946/6cef819443e05a928ac6b0b6dbd855f8_large.jpg?1402970205)
Might be useful. Though, delivery would probably not be until next year if their past delivery record is anything to go by.
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Ooh, that crane sure looks great! Reminds me of the one I got (http://cianty-tabletop.blogspot.com/2014/03/a-dockside-crane-for-gierburg.html) from Fredericus Rex.
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Their website is below;
http://renaissanceminiatures.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page (http://renaissanceminiatures.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page)
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I like the ideas behind most of that scenery. Seems a bit pricey but not too awful. I would definitely be tempted to go for "extreme" when making the terrain for the game, just not huge on extreme figures. I'll be keeping my eye on that Renaissance company.
Any word on the quality of the Ainsty resin ships?
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Nick has added some of my flags to the site as part of the deal.
http://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=173&page=1
it's nice to have pirate flags, but flags for your merchantman, privateers and manowar ?
British :
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles17.jpg)
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles18.jpg)
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles19.jpg)
French :
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles10.jpg)
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles11.jpg)
Spanish:
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles20.jpg)
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles21.jpg)
Portuguese
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles27.jpg)
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles28.jpg)
Netherland :
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles23.jpg)
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles24.jpg)
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles25.jpg)
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles26.jpg)
Ottoman empire and Barbary coast :
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles13.jpg)
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles14.jpg)
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles15.jpg)
(http://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/11/63/95/43/bowles16.jpg)
source :
Bowles vue universelle des pavillons de marine dans toutes les parties du monde
Carington Bowles
cartes et estampes N°69
Londres 1783
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Yep, a lot of flags have potential (though some are much easier than others to replicate).
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Ainsty Castings is having a 20% off deal with purchase over 50 pounds. This includes the pirate ships....not a bad deal, still sucks ass for shipping to the US but for Brits and Euro folk a decent deal.
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Yeah, I need to contact Recreational Conflict (they sell the Ainsty line, I'd imagine they could get me a ship...no fancy discount though).
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Or look at Old Glory Miniature Shipyards, buy the Old Glory Army card and get 40% off! 8)
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Great array of flags, lou passejaire. Thanks. I wonder if any Scotsman actually did fly the jack with the Cross of St George and no Saltire?
North Star now has a page with clear pictures of all the individual minis (except the "18th Century sailors" pack):
http://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=173&page=1 (http://www.northstarfigures.com/list.php?man=173&page=1)
I liked this:
(http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w519/SteveFlanaganUK2/Odds%20and%20Ends/img6343_zps116bf55d.jpg) (http://s1079.photobucket.com/user/SteveFlanaganUK2/media/Odds%20and%20Ends/img6343_zps116bf55d.jpg.html)
"Painting by Kevin Dallimore." Not his best work, is it? ;)
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"Painting by Kevin Dallimore."
some kind of minimalism ?
Kevin Dallimore is trying monochrome :D
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some kind of minimalism ?
Kevin Dallimore is trying monochrome :D
He's just that good :)
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some kind of minimalism ?
Kevin Dallimore is trying monochrome :D
This ghost crew is very well painted IMO ;)
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no, the ghost crew is this one :
(http://nstarmagazine.com/ON_THE_SEVEN_SEAS_htm_files/5173.png)
;)
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"On The Seven Seas" Facebook Group for those interested - https://www.facebook.com/groups/1489560741279244/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1489560741279244/)
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Picked this up at Historicon. Haven't sat down to read it cover to cover yet.
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It was for sale there? Gah! I would have not preordered and had someone pick up a copy for me....grrrrr >:(
Give details! Table sizes, crew sizes for games, overview of mechanics, building crews (point based? weapon add points?)....love to hear more than the generic crap on the website....give me a direction to start working on my figs while I wait for the book,
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I'd like to know more about the rules too before jumping on board. I am especially interested in the ship to ship combat rules and am somewhat skeptical about the multiple man to figure ratio concept. What would be the ideal size for ship combat using just the basic crews? Sloop?
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It was for sale there? Gah! I would have not preordered and had someone pick up a copy for me....grrrrr >:(
Give details! Table sizes, crew sizes for games, overview of mechanics, building crews (point based? weapon add points?)....love to hear more than the generic crap on the website....give me a direction to start working on my figs while I wait for the book,
Table size: They briefly mention that the standard 4x6 is suitable, but for ship combat the "bigger the better". There's no scenarios, so pretty much anything goes as far as table size I guess.
Crew size and building crews: First, generally a paragraph of description of the crew history. Followed by a sentence saying something like "The basic faction consists of a captain, 1 mate and 13 crew figures." Then a paragraph of weapon ratios like "Up to so and so of the crew can have muskets." Then a short list of three to 6 upgrades the crew can take. These are generally a personality for your captain and some special crew members, and buying additional crew.
The basic faction has no "points", just the upgrades. So I'm guessing if you wanted to informally balance crews, you'd say something like "start with the basic faction and add 25 points of upgrades." Indeed, the basic campaign starts crews there. There's also some general list information at the beginning of the section about adding mates and armaments to ships. If you're using the northstar figures, none of the packs meet the "basic faction" model counts, you'll have to add the 18th century sailors.
Overview of mechanics: really really light skirmish rules. Having just got back from Historicon, this reminds me a lot of the various "fast play" con style skirmish rules. Hand to hand is basically: move a model into an enemey model. Both throw a d10. Add any modifiers from the list of 6. Compare the scores, a difference of 4 of more means someone got killed, 2-3 and they fall back, less and they stay in contact. The Fear and Greed mechanic is pretty interesting, but it's pretty much just a slightly fancier morale. Shooting is really hard. Roll a D10 to shoot, a 10 or more is a hit. Your muskets aren't going to be hitting often. If the target is in cover or is an officer or giant they can make a save on a 7+. If they fail the save or aren't entitles to one, they just die.
I'd like to know more about the rules too before jumping on board. I am especially interested in the ship to ship combat rules and am somewhat skeptical about the multiple man to figure ratio concept. What would be the ideal size for ship combat using just the basic crews? Sloop?
Multiple figure ratio: they mention it, but it's never brought up mechanically. A figure is treated as a individual like in any skirmish game. At the start they briefly mention you can only fit so many figures on a ship, and ships historically had many more crew, so there's some sort of de-facto figure ratio going on.
Ship Combat: 4 types of vessel. Boats, Galleys, Sloops, and Ships. Boats and Galleys are pretty small and I guess would be more used in scenarios. Sloops are defined as single decked with one or two masts. Ships are anything bigger than that. Sloops can carry up to 20 figures, 8 swivel guns and 4 light cannons. Ships can carry up to 60 figures, 12 swivel guns, and 12 light or heavy cannons. Cannons work like so: Roll a d10 to hit. It's a lower number if you are closer, but anything over 8 inches needs a 9+ to hit. If you hit roll a d10 and consult the damage chart. 1-7 are pretty minor damage to either the crew or guns, 8 is dismasted, 9 is sunk in a few turns, and 10 is a chance of a powder explosion. Light cannons subtract 2 to damage.
So, combining all of the above, sloops can't sink each other, just dismast themselves or dismount all the cannons.
I haven't been playing wargames too long (5 years?) but I've noticed that there's generally two types of rules sets. The type that provides lists, point values, scenarios and other aids so that players can do pick up games. These games can be played in campaigns too, but the pick up game part serves to draw people in to collect and paint the figures for their warband/buntai/gang. The point values and basic scenarios also serve as gauges for creating your own custom events. I'd include games like In Her Majesty's Name, Ronin, and Bolt Action in this category. The other type of rules are meant for custom drafted scenarios or historical recreations. Stuff like Black Powder: you have the rules you need to create a cool one off game/event or campaign but there's nothing out of the box so to speak.
I'd include On the Seven Seas in this latter category. There are no scenarios, not even a basic "2 crews meet and fight". The campaign rules are very basic. The lists are really just ratios of weapons, as there's no mechanical difference between a pirate and a royal marine if they both have a musket (unless you upgraded your marine to be a sharpshooter). If I was going to run a con event for 10 pirate crews on ships, this ruleset would be right up my alley. But I was hoping for something I could bring to my informal game group where everyone could collect a crew and customize a ship and run some sort of campaign. Don't get me wrong, this is still possible using this book as a base, but there'd have to be a whole lot of work involved, it isn't "out of the box."
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Thanks for the review. They sound a little light especially on scenario's and campaign rules. I will stick to my own home brew set.
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Yes, thanks for the review. I have to say they sound pretty disappointing. It's too bad as I really like the figures and was hoping for something akin to Ronin or IHMN for pirates.
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I was hoping for much more from the Seven Seas rules set as well. I guess that gives me more motivation to experiment further with the set we are working on and get it out to the public.
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Thanks from me too for the review. It sounds as if they fall into the "toolkit" type of rules, which is my preference (I'm an ornery fellow and hate being told what to do lol lol). And it appears Amazon will have them for Kindle for $10 in August-I think I can afford that. ;)
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Well, I know one pack I will be buying - Lichfield Tony, famed ex-smuggler from the Cornish coast with his faithful dog Baz.
I've had more than a few friends tell me how much the miniature looks like me, one asking if I was a descendant of his (I know he is fictional...). As it happens I have Cornish Heritage. Even the fact that his dog is named Baz is amusing. Several of them call me Baz.
Cheers,
Barry S
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I never heard that expression before. I take it those are rules that you can modify heavily to your own purposes? I generally prefer rules that are actually good right out-of-the-box. ;)
Thanks from me too for the review. It sounds as if they fall into the "toolkit" type of rules, which is my preference (I'm an ornery fellow and hate being told what to do lol lol). And it appears Amazon will have them for Kindle for $10 in August-I think I can afford that. ;)
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I take it those are rules that you can modify heavily to your own purposes? I
Not so much "modify" but more open-ended. "Tool Kits" lack army lists, point systems, and don't contain phrases like "must have X number of X, or "limited to X number of X" Savage Worlds is one of my favorite examples. And they are not to everyone's taste either.
And I much rather read up on a period an research it than have it all presented/potted in one spot and limited to one author's view. But that's just me-this is a large hobby that's supposed to be fun and there is room for many approaches to it.
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Anyone have any opinions on the Aintsy vs the Old Glory resin ships?
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I have a set, and quite like the look of them. I confess that I was hoping for a little more on the How To Sail Your Pirate Ship front. There is a differnce in points of sale for the different types of ship, and indicators of turning throughthe wind and wearing round. Barbary Pirate Galleys look quite handy. Wearing a ship around looks as if it is going to take a deal of sea/table room. But that will mean that the smaller lighter craft will have a chance to do damage and survive. It will though make ship to ship engagements a little ponderous, but then close and board is likely what the author has in mind. Nothing that a little experimenting wont solve though.
What I would like to see are some piratical crew persons actually crewing a ship just to make that crew deduction during manouvres.
Graham
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Mine Arrived today!
The Miniatures are Lovely, the Rulebook is Pretty, though as was expected the rules are a little 'basic' - and the cover is weird, the picture looks like its been printed 'wrong' - there's too much Blue about it to be frank.
No miscasts that I can see (so far LoL).
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/10562595_820850834615550_2290876410876860938_o.jpg)
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Rest assured that the cover is printed 'right' - the original artwork from Steve Noon is quite blue - it's atmosphere, not a mistake! :D
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I picked my copy of the rules up at H-Con in July on the Sunday for $10 cash at Osprey. They were practically giving their books away on Sunday. I learned that from a year ago.
Regards,
Hitman
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Rest assured that the cover is printed 'right' - the original artwork from Steve Noon is quite blue - it's atmosphere, not a mistake! :D
Thats good to know, but it made my eyes feel weird it was THAT blue LoL!
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I'm kind of interested in these rules, but am curious to know what folks feel OTSS has to offer over LOTHS?
My main complaint with LOTHS is that it's lacking in variety, as far as the playable factions go. I like the rule system just fine, and the campaign system seems like decent fun. The ship rules seem like they could use to be fleshed out a bit, but admittedly I'm primarily interested in men fighting each other more than in ship combat.
I don't mind a light rule set, I'm a huge fan of the "Songs of..." series of games, and I'd say most of the skirmish gaming I do is pretty rules-light anyways. If OTSS is too light, to the point that one crew is hardly discernible from the next, then I'll probably give them a skip, but if they do a decent job of giving each its own flavor I might be tempted (a good campaign system is an added bonus!).
I like the minis, but it just so happens that I purchased almost the entire Crusader line of pirates on the cheap at my LGS just before seeing any announcement on this. Still might grab some of the pirates at some future point, but regrettably I can't really justify them at the moment - love all of the figures except for the rather ridiculous Anne Bonny, but that's wargames miniatures for you!