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Title: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: beefcake on 23 September 2014, 06:21:36 AM
So what sort of orcs are people's favourites. I've probably forgotten about some really obvious types there but it covers the main ones I think. Pease feel free to comment on ones I've missed.
1 vote per person.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: maxxon on 23 September 2014, 06:23:29 AM
Not green ones.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Little Odo on 23 September 2014, 07:28:24 AM
Quote from: maxxon on 23 September 2014, 06:23:29 AM
Not green ones.


Agreed! Definitely not green ones.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: OSHIROmodels on 23 September 2014, 07:38:27 AM
Paul Bonner style for me 8)

cheers

James
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Elbows on 23 September 2014, 07:43:55 AM
Anything that's not GW-styled.  I prefer pig-faced or human-esque.  Also, don't prefer them green.  Also don't like the miniatures to portray the race as complete idiots and dolts (ie. the inability to manufacture anything properly - ala GW orks/orcs).

Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: FramFramson on 23 September 2014, 07:45:19 AM
I like the ogreish ones that fall between GW and LOTR. Some tusk, some browridge, but nothing too extreme. Also, I still like green, but I like them a dull, dark, almost-grey green.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: phreedh on 23 September 2014, 07:45:37 AM
Classic 80's Adams or Perry bros orcs, please:
(http://farm8.static.flickr.com/7329/9119500930_d07d70bbef_b.jpg)

(Image nicked from Spooktalker's awesome blog (http://belchedfromthedepths.blogspot.de/2013/06/orcs-o-old-skull-tribe-come-together.html))

This guy, in particular, embodies the style I like most. Sinewy, mean looking, almost crocodile faced. Feral, but not explicitly tribal. Great subset in the 80's range that I will put under the brush next year, without a doubt.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5505/9117109179_7991514e8f_b.jpg)

How anyone can hate on this is beyond me. Then again, haters be hatin'. :D
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Michka on 23 September 2014, 07:49:34 AM
Hate to say it, but I like Green Orcs and I can not lie. Been that way since Dad bought me the Orcs of the Severed Hand box set from Grenadier. It was the first set of miniatures I ever owned.  
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: beefcake on 23 September 2014, 08:15:51 AM
I was always a big brow guy but have since gone away from that. Still like them but like other styles more.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Gutbukkit on 23 September 2014, 08:23:25 AM
Being a massive orc fan and orc player since I started this hobby (Gutbukkit being my orc alter ego) I like orcs of every description and colour. My favourite however are the Warhammer orcs of Kev Adams from the 90s, the orcs that I started with.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Mr Tough Guy on 23 September 2014, 09:06:08 AM
Quote from: jimbibbly on 23 September 2014, 07:38:27 AM
Paul Bonner style for me 8)

cheers

James
Agreed, the confrontation orcs are probably my favourite range of orcs
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Nord on 23 September 2014, 09:13:47 AM
I like a few different types. The Lord of the Rings are my favourites en masse for gaming, but I do like the character of some other individual models for painting/skirmish gaming. I quite like the Avatars of War figures, some of the Confrontation range and love Imbrian Arts stuff - if only I could afford it. Pig face doesn't do it for me, strays into beastman territory in my mind.

Of the GW range, I really like the plastic night goblins (do they count as orcs?), not as keen on the big gorilla fellas, though having said that I do like and collect space orks - for some reason it works for me if you shoot them 40k years into the future and give them ridiculous big guns. I can kind of understand the love for the old metals, don't really feel it myself, but I do have an old Citadel/Marauder goblin in my collection sporting a moustache which I really like.

Confused? I voted man like in the end since that's what I use in my current gaming.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Too Bo Coo on 23 September 2014, 09:44:48 AM
Growing up playing AD&D the ONLY true orcs for me are piggy faced ones!
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: WitchfinderGeneral on 23 September 2014, 10:15:09 AM
Green and mean! But they should NOT wear their head in front of the belly like the new GW plastics do.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Cubs on 23 September 2014, 10:57:24 AM
Late 80's - early 90's Citadel Orcs for me, with big jaws and scrawny ape-like bodies before they all became bodybuilders. Greenskins, but not necessarily green.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: joroas on 23 September 2014, 11:07:18 AM
On first reading the title I thought that this was one of those intros to a dating site.............  :P
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Smith on 23 September 2014, 11:39:57 AM
Human-like for me. I don't mind a bit of 'savagery' to their look and feel - it suits the concept, after all - but I do like them to look a bit more organized. The LOTR movie orcs do a pretty good job of combining the two, and that's roughly the look I went after when I started building mine:

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/809/6dab.jpg)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/853/icz9.jpg)
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/856/scx9.jpg)
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Dr. Zombie on 23 September 2014, 11:47:50 AM
Ohhh those look nice! I assume it is some sort of kitbash. Could you do a rundown of components?
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Arthadan on 23 September 2014, 12:34:11 PM
I like Tolkien Orcs, not Peter Jackson ones (I assume that's what you mean with LotR Orcs).

Here you are some quotes from the books. Let's begin with Goblins which is how the Orcs of the Misty Mountains are called.

They are not small:
Quote
Out jumped the goblins, big goblins, great ugly-looking goblins, lots of goblins, before you could say rocks and blocks.

About weapons (and the Great Goblin having a big head instead of a scrotum beard):
Quote
There in the shadows on a large flat stone sat a tremendous goblin with a
huge head, and armed goblins were standing round him carrying the axes and the
bent swords that they use. Now goblins are cruel, wicked, and bad-hearted.They make no beautiful things, but they make many clever ones. They can tunnel and mine as well as any but the most skilled dwarves, when they take the trouble, though they are usually untidy and dirty.Hammers, axes, swords, daggers, pickaxes, tongs, and also instruments of torture, they make very well, or get other people to make to their design, prisoners and slaves that have to work till they die for want of air and light.

Quote
Bilbo blinked, and then suddenly he saw the goblins: goblins in full armour with drawn swords sitting just inside the door, and watching it with wide eyes, and watching the passage that led to it.
Please note full armour does not mean full *plate* armour at all. There is not such thing in Middle-earth.

And finally about pose:
Quote
"A bit low for goblins, at least for the big ones," thought Bilbo, not knowing that even the big ones, the ores of the mountains, go along at a great speed stooping low with their hands almost on the ground.
They do not stand high like Men.

In fact Orcs were...:
Quote
"...squat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes; in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types."

And a short disclaimer borrowed from Tolkien Gateway:
While Tolkien's statement comparing Orcs to the "Mongol-types" is undoubtedly insensitive given today's standards, he does put a disclaimer, "(to Europeans,)" before "least lovely", at least recognizing Western cultural bias and also points out that they were "degraded and repulsive versions" of "Mongol-types", not actual "Mongol-types".

In short, I'd love to see Tolkien Orcs sculpted. Closest ones I've found are Thunderbolt Mountain's.

Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Smith on 23 September 2014, 02:04:54 PM
Quote from: Dr. Zombie on 23 September 2014, 11:47:50 AM
Ohhh those look nice! I assume it is some sort of kitbash. Could you do a rundown of components?

Sure, and with all due apologies for taking the thread a little off-topic...


There's also a chieftain and a shaman:

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/713/rq53.jpg)


With the Bretonnian and Chaos Warrior bodies, the arms attach to a socket at the elbow (ish), so I clip the Beastmen arms off at the elbow, then roughly round off the stumps with a file and fit them in with a liberal application of polystyrene cement. The heads pretty much fit perfectly on the Men-at-arms torsos with no modification (other than removing the horns), and give a slightly forward-thrust look that lends a sense of bulk. Alongside the historicals I use for most of my other figures, these are suitably chunky, the chieftain especially.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Gutbukkit on 23 September 2014, 02:14:12 PM
Great kit bashing there Smith. I may have to borrow that idea and make some orcs of my own, I've plenty of gor heads and ungor bits about.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: northtroll on 23 September 2014, 02:48:36 PM
Well the pig faced orcs will always have a place in my heart for some reason, but my favorite orcs were the ones Grenadier made for the AD&D line back in the late 70's/early 80's. More humanized with a brutish quality about them. And greyish green, or brown as far as coloration goes.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: **GS** on 23 September 2014, 03:25:32 PM
I really like the 80s GW stuff.

But the best are the Bran'O'Kor from Rackham..: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=36651.msg429662#msg429662 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=36651.msg429662#msg429662)

Just love those! Lots of detail, really brute force taken form in pewter.

Cheers
GS
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: von der Tann on 23 September 2014, 03:30:19 PM
I really fell for the looks of the World of Warcraft orcs ... although the armor is kind of ... overdone ... like all the time.

(http://www.wall321.com/thumbnails/detail/20120412/world%20of%20warcraft%20orcs%201545x1200%20wallpaper_www.wallpaperto.com_41.jpg)

And the Warcraft II in game orc models were cool too ... I really liked the slight "mongol" look they had with their topknots and the fur-trimmed helmets.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: bishop odo on 23 September 2014, 04:55:35 PM
I have lots of Mithril Orcs and the Reaper Bones Orcs, and I'm torn between which to keep and sell. I guess I need to do an inventory, you know you have to many figures when you have unpainted miniatures you not sure where there at or how many, but you know you have them in a box some ware.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Dr.Falkenhayn on 23 September 2014, 05:12:51 PM
Ral Partha Orcs are the best imho  :)

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad244/Falkenhayn/FantasyMiniatures013.jpg)
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: warlord frod on 23 September 2014, 05:35:03 PM
Quote from: Michka on 23 September 2014, 07:49:34 AM
Hate to say it, but I like Green Orcs and I can not lie. Been that way since Dad bought me the Orcs of the Severed Hand box set from Grenadier. It was the first set of miniatures I ever owned.  

Yep. I still have my Orcs of the Severed hand  :D and loved the Grenadier Orcs done by Nick Lund :-*. Green is also my color preference anywhere from dark black green to a brighter green. My Orc army is a little over 200 figs 90 % of which are Grenadier.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Too Bo Coo on 23 September 2014, 05:41:26 PM
To my mind, the Otherworld line captures Orcyness the best

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/eaodak/OTMOrcs_zps35a45e56.jpg) (http://s71.photobucket.com/user/eaodak/media/OTMOrcs_zps35a45e56.jpg.html)
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: 3 fingers on 23 September 2014, 07:38:34 PM
Has anyone seen lancers orcs ,their like old citadel ones.?
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: mcfonz on 23 September 2014, 08:35:46 PM
Quote from: Dr.Falkenhayn on 23 September 2014, 05:12:51 PM
Ral Partha Orcs are the best imho  :)

(http://i940.photobucket.com/albums/ad244/Falkenhayn/FantasyMiniatures013.jpg)

I am very tempted to get some of these!
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: maxxon on 24 September 2014, 05:39:29 AM
Quote from: Arthadan on 23 September 2014, 12:34:11 PM
While Tolkien's statement comparing Orcs to the "Mongol-types" is undoubtedly insensitive given today's standards,

Incidentally, I once saw illustrations from a South African edition of the The Hobbit.

The orcs looked an awful lot like zulu warriors...

(Yes, this was when Nelson was still in jail and apartheid was still going strong)
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: SotF on 24 September 2014, 08:05:59 AM
I like the more tolkien style, close in appearance to human in many ways, slightly off of normal human and physically a bit better built. More towards the neanderthal look compared to normal humans
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Maspalio on 24 September 2014, 10:43:22 AM
the Celtos orcs sculpted by Kev White are great...OK they are not really "orc-ish" and I more use them in an "evil humanoid race purpose" and not really as orcs

they are both classic and original...i think I'm the only one on Earth to like them  lol lol

(wow...nice pieces of broken english...sorry mates  :o)
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: LeadAsbestos on 24 September 2014, 01:19:39 PM
Quote from: Maspalio on 24 September 2014, 10:43:22 AM
the Celtos orcs sculpted by Kev White are great...OK they are not really "orc-ish" and I more use them in an "evil humanoid race purpose" and not really as orcs

they are both classic and original...i think I'm the only one on Earth to like them  lol lol

(wow...nice pieces of broken english...sorry mates  :o)

Nope, I love em too! I just never end up finding a good paint scheme to match their unusual look.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Momotaro on 24 September 2014, 04:24:32 PM
Ugly but human-like.  The LotR Uruk Hai plastic scouts are good, just painted up a batch, but a little too uniform for a raggedy orc band.  Their Fellowship-movie era metal orcs are good too.  I've had my eye on the Ral Partha metals for a while as well.

Phil, those GW conversions are amazing!

Don't mind the old-style GW/Foundry orcs and goblins - they have a style all their own and they fit in a world where dwarfs are Norse bowling balls on feet, and elves are long-haired versions of Spock.  AND I LOVE the bowling-ball dwarfs  :D.  The current GW orcs are a bit too much for me though.

Wargames Factory plastic orcs are so nearly there, but so far...
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: westwaller on 24 September 2014, 07:30:12 PM
I voted for the first category as it is closest to the old skool GW Orcs and Goblins that I prefer. Actually I would be interested to know who the other old skool Gw orc sculptors were besides Kev Adams...

I do not like every Orc from that era, in fact there are some downright awful ones, but there are lots I do. I don't like the 'comedy' Orcs though

I particularly like the scavenged 'real' armour look as opposed to spiky Orc armour.

I don't mind the more 'human' Tolkien Orcs but they are just that: Tolkien/Jackson Orcs.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Garanhir on 24 September 2014, 07:52:23 PM
I'm very fond of the old long-jaw orcs from Citadel's early days, and the Partha orcs are very appealing, but my favourites are the Fantasy Warriors half-orcs. They're perfect for my purposes.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: joroas on 24 September 2014, 08:05:14 PM
(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/244/9/d/wip_orc_archer_by_cowsgomoose-d5d93t4.png)
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: m4jumbo on 24 September 2014, 08:46:57 PM
The Tom Meier classic Ral Partha orcs and lesser orcs have always been my favorite.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on 24 September 2014, 10:20:41 PM
LotR...in my imagination. (Though I do think PJ did a good job with them in the first trilogy. Don't get me started on the deplorable CGI crap in the Hobbit movies)

Quote from: m4jumbo on 24 September 2014, 08:46:57 PM
The Tom Meier classic Ral Partha orcs and lesser orcs have always been my favorite.

Second this - and Thunderbolt Mountain, which share the same sculptor the great Tom Meier.

And I do think the GW LotR orcs are solid - particularly the early metals.

(http://www.seekingsolis.co.uk/miniatures/bigpictures/orc%20boys.jpg)


I like them because they're closest to the old Tim Kirk artwork that's always felt, to me, closest to Tolkien's descriptions.   
(http://www.councilofelrond.com/wp-content/uploads/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/illustrations/kirk/orcroad_tim_kirk.jpg)
(http://img-fan.theonering.net/~rolozo/images/kirk/orcs.jpg)

There was a bunch more in the old SPI "War of the Ring" game I still have from 1979. 
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Doomhippie on 24 September 2014, 11:38:45 PM
I like the LotR style from the movies. To me orcs are weaker and smaller than humans. That's why the appearance of uruks was such a nasty surprise for everyone: orcs of almost human size. The Uruk-Hai of the movies are too big and strong for my liking but I can live with them.

I don't like pig faced ones at all (even though I love AD&D), I can accept the GW Warhammer orcs for their own world. In fact I kind of like them, but to me, what orcs are all about is the good old Tolkien style orc - with the problem that we have no real detailed description. The quotations from the Hobbit are good but still leave lots of possibilities open.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Hobbit on 25 September 2014, 10:22:24 AM
I like the Tom Meier sculpts shown just above. I waxed lyrical about them just recently and have a batch of about 20 on my painting desk just now. Just for the record mine are in a greyish green, perhaps a little lighter than those in the photo.

The sculpts go back to 1979 and the specific one I have I bought over 20 years ago, alas the molds had seen better days. They're quite small by today's standards and come out at about 22mm to the hump of the back so, compared to today's figures are definitely goblin sized. Part of me would like to see them re-sculpted to today's size (but remaining in proportion); the other part of me wants to keep them in the "when I were a lad they knew how to make proper orcs" category  :)

I generally have no great beef with GW (each to his/her/its own) BUT their whole take on orcs/orks and goblins actively put me off wanting to play any of their games. To me they looked like they were a sculptor's joke that just got wildly out of hand. To this day the only one of their games that I've ever played with any kind of regularity is Mordheim where orcs generally don't feature.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Momotaro on 25 September 2014, 03:34:33 PM
Quote from: joroas on 24 September 2014, 08:05:14 PM
(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/244/9/d/wip_orc_archer_by_cowsgomoose-d5d93t4.png)

Well I would.  Just sayin'...  :D
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Momotaro on 25 September 2014, 03:39:09 PM
Also the Asgard range (now owned by Viking Forge), Vendel goblins (now owned by Sergeant Major Miniatures) and Black Tree/Legends of the Realm range (now owned by Scotia Grendel) are all good "human-like" orcs.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: joroas on 25 September 2014, 03:55:34 PM
Sent to me by another LAFer:

(http://galeri.uludagsozluk.com/36/orc-kizi-olmak_55097.jpg)
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Jevenkah on 25 September 2014, 04:42:23 PM
And now to the even sexier orcs:

 :-* My favorite orcs are from the old Grenadier / Nick Lund lines, most available now from Mirliton. I love the level of technology, with lots of chain and leather and big weapons. They captured the essence of one of our major orc races.

(http://swordandsorceryrpg.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/LAF_orcs-55web.jpg)

We also found the Baueda Trogs made great savage orcs for the wilder cousins of our "civilized" orcs.

(http://swordandsorceryrpg.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/LAF_orcs_bauedaweb.jpg)

The Copplestone half-orcs are another fantastic line, again with a tech level I like, distinct from the chain of the Lunds, but not over the top with plate.

(http://swordandsorceryrpg.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/LAF_7_halforcweb.jpg)

I love the Lunds the best though.
Jevenkah
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: 3 fingers on 25 September 2014, 04:59:42 PM
Quote from: Momotaro on 25 September 2014, 03:34:33 PM
Well I would.  Just sayin'...  :D
Be rude not to  lol
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Steve F on 25 September 2014, 05:24:19 PM
What sort of orc do you like?

(http://i1079.photobucket.com/albums/w519/SteveFlanaganUK2/Odds%20and%20Ends/orculike_zpsfc09fe40.jpg) (http://s1079.photobucket.com/user/SteveFlanaganUK2/media/Odds%20and%20Ends/orculike_zpsfc09fe40.jpg.html)
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Doomsdave on 25 September 2014, 06:05:27 PM
I like the proliferation of different styles. In D&D I like the classic pig-faced dudes.  But a close second is the LOTR style.  I never really considered liking one over any other make.  I do know one thing though:  They always have english accents.  Draw your own conclusions lol

Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: MM on 25 September 2014, 06:57:24 PM
I'm quite fond of the look of the former Vendel orcs and goblins...a nice old school look: http://www.sgmm.biz/Bloody-Day-28mm-Fantasy_c_23.html (I only have their dwarves though, sadly).

Aside from that the look from the first LOTR movie (the orcs, not the goblins from Khazad Dum or the Uruk Hai), like many others here. Wargames Factory also comes close and lookswise are a good match with the LOTR orcs. Does anyone know how they fit scalewise?

In short: not bright green but various nasty colours from faded greenish to gray to dark red, tattered equipment, smaller than humans and sinewy.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: beefcake on 25 September 2014, 08:54:11 PM
I quite like the old asgard ones as well. I have a bunch of them along with the goblins waiting painting. (All as goblins though but the orcs still look great)
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Funghy-Fipps on 25 September 2014, 10:14:23 PM
I actually have two fantasy 28mm projects: one using vintage Citadel and analogous ranges, the other using Red Box Games humans, GW LotR Orcs and (for instance) Ral Partha Trolls. The problem with the 'big jaws, big brow, tusks' look as established by GW is that virtually every fantasy miniature manufacturer over the last twenty years has followed suit and it's become stale. There needs to be more Orc miniatures in this vein:

(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc93/sicluceatlux/IanMiller-Orcs_zps42764cc2.jpg)

(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc93/sicluceatlux/Alan_Lee_-_Orc-hunting_2_zps6650f86c.jpg)
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: westwaller on 25 September 2014, 10:45:52 PM
I love that Ian Miller artwork!
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Donogh on 26 September 2014, 10:41:12 AM
Any love out there for the Chronopia Orcs?
They've gone for an Ottoman Empire style

(http://www.chronopiaworld.com/img/armeen/black/wedge/wedge_001.jpg)
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: maxxon on 26 September 2014, 10:52:21 AM
Quote from: Donogh on 26 September 2014, 10:41:12 AM
Any love out there for the Chronopia Orcs?

I love them! And they had the cojones to not make them green...

Reminds me I should start painting mine.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Momotaro on 27 September 2014, 04:17:09 PM
First time I've even heard of the Chronopia range - they're great!
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: manic _miner on 27 September 2014, 05:27:11 PM
 The Chronopia Orcs are great pieces.I have most of them in a box some place.Like so many other miniatures too.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Mo! on 27 September 2014, 09:01:49 PM
I just love these goofy dudes...

(http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj44/mothegrin/2014-09-27214332.jpg) (http://s269.photobucket.com/user/mothegrin/media/2014-09-27214332.jpg.html)
(http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj44/mothegrin/2014-09-27214050.jpg) (http://s269.photobucket.com/user/mothegrin/media/2014-09-27214050.jpg.html)
(http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj44/mothegrin/2014-09-27214020.jpg) (http://s269.photobucket.com/user/mothegrin/media/2014-09-27214020.jpg.html)
(http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj44/mothegrin/2014-09-27213837.jpg) (http://s269.photobucket.com/user/mothegrin/media/2014-09-27213837.jpg.html)
(http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj44/mothegrin/2014-09-27213405.jpg) (http://s269.photobucket.com/user/mothegrin/media/2014-09-27213405.jpg.html)
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Golgotha on 27 September 2014, 10:57:04 PM
Have to be Grenadier, Mithril and some Reaper. What is more is that these are largely interchangeable.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: SotF on 28 September 2014, 12:00:45 AM
Quote from: Donogh on 26 September 2014, 10:41:12 AM
Any love out there for the Chronopia Orcs?
They've gone for an Ottoman Empire style

(http://www.chronopiaworld.com/img/armeen/black/wedge/wedge_001.jpg)

Those look a lot like some that would fit the D&D campaign I've been working on
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Garanhir on 28 September 2014, 09:22:06 AM
Quote from: Doomsdave on 25 September 2014, 06:05:27 PM
I like the proliferation of different styles. In D&D I like the classic pig-faced dudes.  But a close second is the LOTR style.  I never really considered liking one over any other make.  I do know one thing though:  They always have english accents.  Draw your own conclusions lol



So they should! In fact, if you're going Tolkien, they should have proper Black Country accents, since the Black Country was the inspiration for Mordor.

So says a Black Country orc; born, bred an bloody proud!
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: joroas on 28 September 2014, 10:16:38 AM
Quote
Black Country born and Black Country bred, struni in th'arm but not weak in the yed.
  :D
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: 3 fingers on 28 September 2014, 11:08:46 AM
Yeah but mordor doesn't do the best pork scratchings.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Modhail on 28 September 2014, 11:28:13 AM
Darn, this is a more difficult question than I had first thought...
I think GW Orks/Orcs are fine, but for GW exclusively. They're just daft outside of their own bubble universe.

But in a more general, universal fashion, I really don't know what kind of orcs I'd prefer... Which is a bit of a problem, since I do intend to build a small warband of them for my generic fantasy/dungeoneering project... But so far none have stood out as "right" to me.
I'd better get researching.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: joroas on 28 September 2014, 11:30:27 AM
The greatest offence that you can commit against a Black Country man is to ask if he is from Birmingham...............  lol
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: joroas on 28 September 2014, 12:22:28 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MRTSO3K.jpg)
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: qazbnm on 28 September 2014, 01:20:43 PM
For gw style fantasy, dungeoneering etc I prefer 80s green style orcs. Best example are the ones spooktalker has painted up, posted earlier in this thread.

For dark age fantasy/lotr I think modern GW orcs fit quite well. Althought I must admin the Wargames Factory ones look tempting too.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: beefcake on 30 September 2014, 08:59:24 PM
Wow, almost 50% for human like!
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Constable Bertrand on 01 October 2014, 01:54:19 PM
I've changed my mind. I did say pig faced but humanesque is looking mighty tempting.

Manflesh, ROFL.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: deathjester25 on 01 October 2014, 02:42:06 PM
I've always been a fan of Kev Adams citadel orcs. For my current dungeon crawl project I think I want to use more human looking orcs though. I'm tempted by the ones Sandra garrity sculpted for reaper
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Cubs on 01 October 2014, 06:40:33 PM
It's funny the way the word 'orc' was interchangeable with the word 'goblin' in Tolkein's world, yet now the hobby views them as very different things.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Spooktalker on 02 October 2014, 04:21:19 AM
My favorite orcs are the citadel ones I'm painting up that phreedh showed. The Perry ones and the mid-eighties Adams ones. I love the variety, how some are obviously beta orcs and others are alphas, and some are obviously 100% maniacs, like they'll make a joke one minute and lop off your head the next. The Aly Morrison ones are pretty good too, and do especially well as young orcs.

And I like my Citadel and related orcs to be right proper bilious GREEN in the John Blanche style dammit!   >:(

Here's one that a buddy pointed out as representing that perfect maniac-to-the-core essence:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5451/9119346072_f0e0285aff_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/eTR2SG)Orc (https://flic.kr/p/eTR2SG) by Spooktalker (https://www.flickr.com/people/64202339@N00/), on Flickr
Not the biggest, just a guy filling out the ranks, but nonetheless among the most dangerous of all, whether you are friend or foe.

Space fantasy rather than fantasy-fantasy, but I like both Adam's rogue trader ones and super stoned 'Ere We Go era ones. Hopefully not off topic but I imagine the latter being in a saturday morning spin-off of the original movie, think Droids the cartoon is to Star Wars as my envisioned 'Ere We Go games are to grimdark 40k.


Actually, though, I like orcs and goblins so much I can't be be limited to one kind. I collect multiple fantasy genres and have converted up some old school pig-face orcs for D&D and I have a bunch of the Lund Chronicle, GW and Grenadier ones. They are intended I guess to mix in with the other Citadel ones but never did fully. They are much better on their own. Generally I like to think of the Fantasy Warriors milieu as just the barbarians, orcs, goblinoids, ogres, trolls and dwarves and in an ancient era where no men have progressed beyond barbarism and most humans huddle in fear in caves.

I like Earthdawn orcs as well, but only when Janet Aulisio draws them. Like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/V6olnYe.png)

Ian Miller's orcs are how I see LOTR orcs, and am a big fan of LOTR orcs, though have opted not to do LOTR in miniature.

Meanwhile there are many varieties of orc miniatures I don't like. The thing I can't stand is when all of them are uniformly musclebound. E.g. current GW, reaper, et al. Most kind of orcs I envision that most orcs are beta sheep, easily cowed by a big ork or even a powerful human or member of another race. Especially a powerful magician. They are inherently lazy and know the boss orcs are going to take the lion share anyway, so why lift when you don't have to? Just join the herd and come along for the ride. And act out your secret malice when you have the chance. There can be alpha orcs of course, but these are the exception, and anyway they should have a sinewy rope-like strength rather than the water-filled beefcake look, and they can't get around the characteristic crookedness for anything.

I also don't like when they have no skill at crafts whatever. I understand the fun possibilities this creates with being able to glue ramshackle crap together homer simpson style to make vehicles and structures, but the trade off is not worth it. Orcs are not advanced, but they aren't inept, and anyway they have legions of super-crafty goblins to paint their shields and do their embroidery--that's what goblins are for!

Also, in every fantasy range there is an orc, as if it's the first thing they sculpt when they do fantasy. It usually doesn't go with any other kind, generally adds little to the conversation, and then there are two or three more and that's the end of it. I bet I could scrounge together a dozen sorting through random boxes if I had the time, and I know there are dozens more out there.

I'd have a lot more to say on the topic of goblins. There I like quite a few more of the varieties out there and am destined to paint up quite a number of tribes of all stripes before I die.


Edit: can't help but say that though I like Earthdawn, especially in terms of embodying the vibe of the mid-nineties, you can blame it to large degree for the whole noble-savage thing that has taken root in D&D and been broadcast all over the masses in the form of WOW. Where Earthdawn pulls it off most fictions fall on their face with it. Really off putting.

But the very worst is the gorilla-in-diaper look that GW championed for so many years. Holy god it's hard to live down that travesty.  lol




Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: maxxon on 02 October 2014, 05:55:28 AM
Quote from: Scurv on 01 October 2014, 11:26:48 PM
I dislike the fungus based lifeforms blather though. Thats just a huge wasted opportunity.

But hey, everyone knows only beautiful races can have females in fantasy!

Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Too Bo Coo on 02 October 2014, 12:34:05 PM
My orcs just have regular sex, and lots of it.  They're the Humanoid Rabbits of Greyhawk....
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Dr. Zombie on 02 October 2014, 01:46:05 PM
But then again the 40k type orks, who turns out to be a sort of fungus, that reproduce by spores in their blood. Is also very stupid.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: joshuaslater on 02 October 2014, 02:19:41 PM
I think the Chronopia Orcs are the best dressed.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Whitwort Stormbringer on 02 October 2014, 08:29:32 PM
Well the more human-like variety are my favorite, particularly leaning towards LOTR movie orcs (the ones in the books are fine, too, I don't picture them significantly different to the movie versions, most of whom are stooped and waddle around a bit).  For gaming, I like my orcs roughly on par with humans, though, not Tolkien's orcs who died at least 3 or 4 to ever human they fought.

I also like Warcraft's orcs, although in general prefer less exaggerated equipment.  But I think they're a nice medium between the weaklings that Tolkien gives us and the uncivilized brutes that GW gives us.  The still fall into the "more human-like" category, for me.

Agree with an earlier poster, GW orcs are fun within their own setting, but not what I prefer outside of that as far as orcs go.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Cubs on 02 October 2014, 09:58:21 PM
Quote from: Spooktalker on 02 October 2014, 04:21:19 AM
And I like my Citadel and related orcs to be right proper bilious GREEN in the John Blanche style dammit!   >:(

It's not without its charm, but I must admit that I am a secret fan of the rust-red orc, from way back in early days of Warhammer. That's how I was first introduced to them.

Quote from: Spooktalker on 02 October 2014, 04:21:19 AM
The thing I can't stand is when all of them are uniformly musclebound. E.g. current GW, reaper, et al.

Likewise. Tough? Yes, that scrawny toughness born of a life scrapping for survival with every other member of your tribe and species. But roided up like Valleys boys on a night out in Cardiff? Surely that's for the boss orcs (as you said) and the Black Orcs (for which I eschew my love for the 80's-90's jaw-jut Citadel orcs and plump for the sturdy looking Nick Lund ones).
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Too Bo Coo on 02 October 2014, 10:09:45 PM
I really like Gygax's incarnation of humanoids in general.  The Orcs are distinctive in their piggyness, they are foul and warlike and they reproduce at a fast rate, even if they have a short life.  The blue/green/grey look to them also seemed to hold a nice quality over the straight green.  His goblins were shorter and more numerous, Kobolds even more so.  Yes, they were meant to be available for advancing players to combat, but the old pictures breathed so much life into the numbers.  Once I got my hands on the Otherworld sculpts, with some straight out of the Monster Manual, I could not explain my glee!  I'm just hooked.  All of that said, I also see the merit in why people choose other versions of the orc.  So many of the minis people posted have their own charm and character, it's not hard to see why people are crazy about them.  I guess we're all pretty lucky that these days there seem to be enough orcs to go around! :D
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Garanhir on 03 October 2014, 07:10:19 PM
This thread makes me want to collect more orcs.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Cubs on 03 October 2014, 08:53:14 PM
Yeah, I'm starting to think about that drawer full of dusty orcs that I thought were in permanent retirement.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: westwaller on 03 October 2014, 09:02:00 PM
I know the feeling, since this thread started I have been regularly popping over to evilbay to check out vintage citadel orcs... But the prices...!!!  More and more they seem to be sold in lots with one good one in with several crap or broken ones >:(
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: bandit86 on 04 October 2014, 06:46:24 AM
The only good Orc is a dead Orc. that's how I like them :D
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Constable Bertrand on 04 October 2014, 08:56:02 PM
Well guy and myself just picked up a few bags of adgard orcs/goblins yesterday at a local convention.

I feel a painting competition coming on people. :D
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Dr. Zombie on 05 October 2014, 08:50:39 AM
Well it is Orctober!

Everyone should be painting Orcs.

In fact that is how Orcs procreate they get painted during Orctober.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Mo! on 05 October 2014, 10:03:24 AM
Yeah lets do a 100 orcs and goblins!!!
Ill start:

(http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj44/mothegrin/2014-10-05%2002.55.31.png) (http://s269.photobucket.com/user/mothegrin/media/2014-10-05%2002.55.31.png.html)

(http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj44/mothegrin/2014-10-05%2002.54.01.png) (http://s269.photobucket.com/user/mothegrin/media/2014-10-05%2002.54.01.png.html)

Up till 3 to get him thisfar...
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Constable Bertrand on 05 October 2014, 12:11:10 PM
The Ol spikey club. Nice one! :)

I think we need more than a 100 goal, I've got 30 of the little buggers myself to paint ;) perhaps an orc painter thread we can all post in? Would people be up for that?

Cheers
Matt.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Cubs on 05 October 2014, 12:18:25 PM
Yeah, I suspect 100 places would be filled within a couple of days!
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Too Bo Coo on 05 October 2014, 12:19:40 PM
Quote from: Constable Bertrand on 05 October 2014, 12:11:10 PM
The Ol spikey club. Nice one! :)

I think we need more than a 100 goal, I've got 30 of the little buggers myself to paint ;) perhaps an orc painter thread we can all post in? Would people be up for that?

Cheers
Matt.

I would, but I think we need mod/admin approval to make any sort of painting club.... Maybe ask White Knight when they get done with the WWI club they can do a goblin/orc club, or just ore or the other.  I'm positive there would be no shortage of submissions.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Dr. Kevin Moon III esq. on 05 October 2014, 04:36:23 PM
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=56746.0;attach=14513;image)

These are probably my favourite orcs anyone has ever made. Kev Adam's sculpts from Renegade Miniatures. I wish I had more than these 12, anyone got some stashed away they'd like to sell me?
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: FramFramson on 05 October 2014, 05:02:21 PM
Quote from: bandit86 on 04 October 2014, 06:46:24 AM
The only good Orc is a dead Orc. that's how I like them :D
You must be one of those ebay sellers westwaller was complaining about.  ;D lol
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Arthadan on 05 October 2014, 11:12:41 PM
Now that I think about it, Paul Muller sculpted three or four orcs in LotR style and they were pretty good. Some funny armors though and a strange looking arm, but I wouldn't mind to see more of them.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: beefcake on 05 October 2014, 11:42:54 PM
I like those old fighting fantasy ones scurv put up a few pages ago. Really captured the cruelty, laziness and all those other bad habits that orcs should have I those pictures.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: beefcake on 06 October 2014, 05:53:46 AM
Yep. About a year ago I bought Dungeoneer, Titan, Out of the Pit, Blacksand and the 25th anniversary book for a really good deal, (not car boot sale good but an amount I was very happy with) My favourite part was about the Troglodytes and how they let prisoners free so they could have target practice.
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: maxxon on 06 October 2014, 06:09:15 AM
Quote from: Scurv on 06 October 2014, 05:49:55 AM
all the fighting fantasy stuff totally influenced warhammer. Even the old world has many similarities to titan the FF game world. Their background book had the best write up on orcs ever.

Well... early WFB and 40K are really a mish-mash of... ahhem... homages. If you're familiar with UK F/SF scene in the 70-80's (especially 2000AD), it's kinda weird fun playing "Where did they borrow this from?" with Warhammer fluff. Like going over the Space Marine implants etc. and comparing that to the stuff a G.I. trooper has -- pretty much the only thing they didn't take is the blue skin.

I say early because I really haven't kept up to date with it in ages. I hope more money has b(r)ought more originality, but probably not.

Part of the same imagery is explained by actually using the same artists, and I really can't fault them for that.

Before anyone gets all huffed and puffed about this: Culture is always built on existing culture and nothing is created in a vacuum. But there's also acknowledging your roots, giving credit where credit is due. The line between homage and plagiarism is a thin one, and mostly created by admitting the fact.

Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: beefcake on 06 October 2014, 07:37:46 AM
Oops, sorry it was the tenth anniversary book. Not 25th. Just googled myself to make sure... And I was wrong  lol
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: maxxon on 06 October 2014, 08:11:09 AM
Quote from: Scurv on 06 October 2014, 06:41:58 AM
I grew up with 2000ad and fighting fantasy so I really get what you are saying. Dont forget jackson and livingstone of FF started games workshop too.

Yeah, you can't really be accused of stealing your own stuff... Laserburn is also interesting as a sort of proto-40K and the same people went on to write 40K Rogue Trader, which was actually created in a studio environment with input from lots of people not just the guys who got their name on the cover.

Still, I don't think GW ever employed Michael Moorcock despite Ulthuan bearing more than a passing resemblance to Melnibone...


Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: Constable Bertrand on 06 October 2014, 08:22:59 PM
To join the orcflesh challenge go here:

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=71606.msg871604#msg871604 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=71606.msg871604#msg871604)

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: joe5mc on 08 October 2014, 03:42:10 PM
Personally, I like the Tolkien orcs as imagined by either Angus McBride on the old MERP covers, or some of the Peter Jackson type orcs.  I also really like this guy -

(https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10247239_543537262443713_4400657393127660870_n.jpg?oh=1a10e0caa0e07392a8592037a2cce8b3&oe=54C6BA81)

Who will be appearing on the cover of this book from Osprey Adventures next year: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Orc-Warfare-Open-Book-Adventures/dp/1472810503/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412777928&sr=8-1&keywords=orc+warfare+pramas
Title: Re: What type of orc do you like?
Post by: killshot on 10 October 2014, 12:35:38 AM
 :o Now that is an excellent orc, I wish I could get some like that.