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Other Stuff => Workbench => "Build Something" Archive => Topic started by: Silent Invader on 01 February 2015, 12:32:23 AM
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For my 'Tommy And Fritz' Belgium 1914 project .....
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=72573.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=72573.0)
I shall attempt to scratchbuild a British early-WWI scout plane, the Sopwith Tabloid....
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_Tabloid (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopwith_Tabloid)
For 'rescue the pilot games', the plane will be crash landed with an engine fire, much like in this image (not actually a Tabloid)....
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/2031_01_02_15_1_22_11.jpg)
More soon.
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Ooooh. Interesting...
Flames from Green Stuff and superglue? ;)
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Ooooh. Interesting...
Flames from Green Stuff and superglue? ;)
I am sure that superglue is flammable
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Flames from Green Stuff and superglue? ;)
lol
I'm pondering streaks and peaks of clear silicone sealant to which has been added either red, yellow, orange or black acrylic paint..... Though might get a bit messy in the making :o
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Cool idea Steve :-* :-* :-*
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For the plans I found an almost 'ready made' solution, which is the 'cut and stick' paper plane models by Fiddlers Green:
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/ (http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/)
As luck would have it, they have the civilian Sopwith Tabloid floatplane that won the 1914 Schneider Trophy race, which is especially useful for sizing the wings and the fuselage of my proposed Sopwith Tabloid scout in 1914 British service.
Having downloaded the pdf plans, I resized them to 1/56 (a simple matter of printing the pdf at 100%, measuring the distance between the wings, then reprinting the PDF at the correctly scaled percentage).
I have ended up with drawings that have a wing tip-to-tip of approx 140mm versus the actual scaled at approx 139mm.
My plane won't be made from paper: I anticipate a mix of plasticard, wood, metal, wire etc though much of the materials and process will be made up as I go along.
First stage was to stick plans of the main parts to 1.5mm plasticard:
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/2031_01_02_15_12_54_06.jpg)
I used pritt-stick as the adhesive and so after it has set and the detail has been scribed through the paper I can wash/scrub the paper/glue away.
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Definitely looking forward to seeing this one Steve 8)
cheers
James
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Brilliant!
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Great idea from a master!
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This is looking very promising ... but I was wondering whether there isn't a risk a 1/56 plane will look too small next to 28mm minis, which are arguably are 1/56 in height but not in proportion. I did quite a few checks at some point and felt that planes, even more than cars, looked better when slightly oversized.
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Thanks but each to their own and 1/56 is my personal preference (the vehicle scale debate has been covered many times both here and elsewhere and isn't something that I want to digress over in this build thread :)).
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Ohh, sounds interesting! Any thoughts on how you're going to do the fire?
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Regarding the fire:
I'm pondering streaks and peaks of clear silicone sealant to which has been added either red, yellow, orange or black acrylic paint.
Probably with flickering LEDs in the silicone.
Not 100% sure as will be doing a bit of experimentation.
:)
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Not 100% sure as will be doing a bit of experimentation.
:)
Heard that before ;)
Can't wait to see this unfold :)
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;)
It's the end of day 2: the plans were scribed onto the plasticard with the paper then scrubbed off using warm water and detergent, after which I started on the cutting out and parts-assembly.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/2031_03_02_15_1_41_43.jpg)
Some of these parts might be too thick, in which case I'll have to remake them using a thinner plasticard. The dry assembly will be telling and I see shaving, filing, filling and sanding in my future.
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Awesomesauce! 8)
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Impressive start! :-*
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Thanks chaps :)
It's an early update for day 3:
Cutting out completed
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/2031_03_02_15_4_47_25_4.jpg)
Some of the scored lines needed opening up, which was done by using the side of the point of a craft blade as a gouge/chisel
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/2031_03_02_15_4_47_25_3.jpg)
Bits that had been glued together yesterday could be worked on today, so the wing and tail pieces were sliced with the craft knife, filed, then scraped (rough polished) with the scalpel. The sides of the fuselage were glued to the floor for working on tomorrow. Incidentally, to best ensure that mirrored sides matched, they were offered up to each other then trimmed before fitting.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/2031_03_02_15_4_47_25_2.jpg)
It's worth noting that this plane is small, with a wingspan of 25 feet that's just over 4 of me (or 2 Jimbibblys or 8 Malamutes). One potential problem with the size is fitting a power source for LEDs : I'd hoped to put it into the fuselage but it seems like there won't be enough room.
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Very promising :D
cheers
James
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I admire you. I wouldn't have the energy to scratch-build a plane you can buy a kit of. I'd want to go the easy way.
Guess that wouldn't really be in the spirit of "Build Something" though, would it? lol
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You can buy a kit?! :o :D lol
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You can buy a kit?! :o :D lol
What's the difference between that and using a ready made template like you're doing now, though? ;D
lol
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Very cool build. Watching with interest.
Snitchy sends.
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I've always been intimidated when scratch building air planes, so I will follow this build with interest.
Tony
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Thanks :)
What's the difference between that and using a ready made template like you're doing now, though? ;D
lol
Pah!
:D
Seriously though, if plans are available it makes sense to use them. I was going to buy a 1/72 model kit for its plans to scale up and just by chance discovered the Fiddlers Green alternative. Yay for my good fortune ;) lol
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looks brilliant....
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You can buy a kit?! :o :D lol
Back in the early days of LAF I built and painted up the Schneider.
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Franz%20Ferdinand/DonWimbleMain2.jpg)
I am 99% sure that the same firm does a Tabloid using mostly the same parts. They are effectively the same plane apart from the undercarriage, after all.
Can't wait to see your finished effort, SI.
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I'm looking forward to the finished plane.As this is one of my favourite objective markers,I' ve done a few,here's the line drawings I use.
(It doesn' class as helping?).
Mark.
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Thanks chaps
Very nicely done P - mine I think will look a bit smaller.
Nice sketches TSG -mine will be a less catastrophic impact ... More of an emergency landing in a meadow resulting in a bit of a down nose.... Definitely survivable.
:)
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Ah tall grass to hide the join.That'll help with the look of an impact.Like the thinking.
mark.
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Wow - impressive!! I am loving all the "stuff buying one from the shop, when I can make it out of card" business going on around here lately.
It's worth noting that this plane is small, with a wingspan of 25 feet that's just over 4 of me (or 2 Jimbibblys or 8 Malamutes).
lol lol lol
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What LED will you be running Steve?
I walked in and out of a shop yesterday to grab some essentials. Got home, found the battery pack to long, and the interwebs told me I needed resistors :( the cheap Chinese flickering tea lights don't have resistors. Grumble grumble grumble.
What will you be using??? :D
Cheers
Matt.
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:)
Yep long grass - the terrain tiles will have teddy bear fur (for summer 1914).
As regards the LEDs Matt, I can't lay my hands on the specs at the mo but they flash and don't necessarily need a resistor: I got them from a place called Rapid Online but they sell 1000s and I can't find 'em.
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No worries Steve :) ta mate.
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Day 4 with another early update.
Tail parts were attached to the main structure.
Adding the top of the fuselage was somewhat less successful and I eventually clad it in thin (0.25mm I think) plasticard.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/2031_04_02_15_2_22_57_3.jpg)
To which I added ribs to define the required shape (with ribs also added to the tail and Idc the wings).
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/2031_04_02_15_2_22_57_2.jpg)
The plane will have a nose down profile so I added weights to the cavity that was the engine compartment.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/2031_04_02_15_2_22_57_1.jpg)
Like the upper part of the fuselage the nose shape wasn't working out so both areas had their first application of Milliput.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/20/2031_04_02_15_2_22_56_0.jpg)
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Starting to look like a plane.
Great stuff :-* :-* :-*
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The ribbing on the wing's etc,If your going to back fill the gap's to detail the profile.Then fill and shape on an angle allowing the clay to sag,and leave little ridges at roughly 60°to the rib' s.that'll give you the 'feel' of cloth.
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Give me a chance .... I said it was the first application.
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The ribbing on the wing's etc,If your going to back fill the gap's to detail the profile.Then fill and shape on an angle allowing the clay to sag,and leave little ridges at roughly 60°to the rib' s.that'll give you the 'feel' of cloth.
In fact, no more of your unwanted 'help' please: you're air of 'I know best' sucks the fun out of it for me.
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Again very cool build.
Snitchy sends.
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That's comin together very nicely mate 8)
cheers
James
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Following on from the above and subsequent developments by pm I shall not be posting any more updates and am withdrawing from the comp.
Mods please lock thread.
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I will put context to your I know best comment.I sculpt for living I've eleven different ranges of figure's,with nine companies,and a further eight I do tech work for.I also have ranges in my own name which inclued vehicles and bi plane models.I do not claim to know better than anyone else.You stated you were having problems,I only offered a short cut.As I've come accross similar problem's in the past.
I'm sorry you were not able to see the spirit in which my advice was intended.That said I do take on board,that felt uncomfortable with my input.
But I would not wish you to with draw from the comp if it is related to my posts.I wish you would continue your build as I was honestly enjoying your work.
Mark.
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I just do this for fun and if it's not fun I don't do it.
The rules state that there are to be no team efforts and you were providing 'help' that I hadn't asked for.
My decision stands and so mods please lock thread.