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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: muncehead on 18 February 2015, 09:37:07 AM
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Tre is at it again with a campaign to unleash some evil barbarian types.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1103158358/barbarian-hordes-by-red-box-games#description
Really like the style of the WIPs and they will go very well to add to my Conan figures when the Monolith campaign delivers.
Nearly funded part-wat through the first day.
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Those look pretty cool. I backed the last KS with the Aenglish and militia and Njord guys, and they turned out quite nice (particularly the militia). However, the price per model makes it such that I can't afford to jump on every KS Tre does, especially with the Canadian-US exchange rate these days.
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I have done it again, pledged at vanguard level, even with a weak euro/dollar exchange and the always present menace of customs. Im still thinking Tre should had been involved in Monolith Conan's boardgame. Almost funded and we have only seen some wip miniatures. Tre has some fans...
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Tre always sculpts nice models, but there's too much plate on these for my taste.
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(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/305/100/9bd85011cc651e1c315dafee7189653e_original.jpg?v=1424291362&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=e41caa3b9ad6334a66a2f0cb0ff69b1a)
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/305/104/14ce38c5cec6398cee91c7f53cfc1a52_original.jpg?v=1424291387&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=1c9dd654a9a9daed2f542f29a09e60ee)
A couple of images from some of the figures that will be available. Looking forward to seeing some of the mounted ones (with a dismounted version of each too) and not forgetting a few Jotunn (a giant in Norse mythology).
I could not resist and went in at Vanguard level too. ;D
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(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/341/406/4755c0578a9c7b100830c1ae5573d6ad_original.jpg?v=1424894944&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=65b5b185b766b832059235d7402948fc)
WIP of one of the Jotunn.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/341/407/7d49cf3bc654452ef703ca8e51ad6476_original.jpg?v=1424894957&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=668c9a4b30308014c941adae31b5d0f2)
WIP of a Helsrider which will have a dismounted version too.
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That Jotunn looks great!
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Great stuff...
Not sure about backing yet, but that's because I spent too much on figs already the last few weeks :'(.
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Yep. Lovely stuff but too pricey for me. Jotunn looks great.
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Oh god, he's doing horses again. :'( And more tiny heads with horns sticking out of everything.
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Oh god, he's doing horses again. :'( And more tiny heads with horns sticking out of everything.
Agreed. I just love Tre's sculpting, but can't stand the finished product. Tiny heads, fussy details, and just too damn small. Got the first KS and sold the lot. I wish I could buy everything he makes, but I know I'll never paint it.
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I love his orcs and goblins. No worries about small heads on them.
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I have never bought any of his stuff, but that is largely due to the hide and seek business of things keep disappearing from the webstore. Hard to buy things when they are not on sale.
Whats wrong with the horses? Too fragile? Hard to paint? This WIP looks very promising, I like the dynamic pose and energy it has, reminds me of a fresco from the Parthenon or something.
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Weismonsters: his previous attempts at horses tended to look like his muscular barbarians, complete with 'here are my genitals' (http://s2.dmcdn.net/AagBX/526x297-Gh1.jpg) stance, and added hooves. :D Part of a strange occurrence I've seen where some top-notch human figure sculptors don't have much of a clue about animal anatomy.
I agree that, on this wee phone screen at least, these latest look like an improvement, though with a couple of 'hmm's. I'll reserve judgement though.
My bigger complaint is $18 for one mini. Ouch.
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Agreed. I just love Tre's sculpting, but can't stand the finished product. Tiny heads, fussy details, and just too damn small. Got the first KS and sold the lot. I wish I could buy everything he makes, but I know I'll never paint it.
Same here. His figures fit well with the LotR metal minis and some really old 25mm stuff, but just about nothing else as they're so bloody small. I've bought a few figures where that didn't matter (mainly women), but it really limits which figures of his I can use.
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Bootiful work as always.
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I've had no problems with Tre's stuff because of their size, it's mainly just GW stuff that doesn't work and as long as you don't put them in the same unit that isn't even that big a problem. It's his ever shrinking heads, over use of spikes (on knee caps fer Christ's sake o_o), enough skulls to give a GW figure skull envy and horses that look like they live in a stable run by Fitness First that trouble me. Everyone standing like Status Quo performing Down Down doesn't help either.
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I've had no problems with Tre's stuff because of their size, it's mainly just GW stuff that doesn't work and as long as you don't put them in the same unit that isn't even that big a problem. It's his ever shrinking heads, over use of spikes (on knee caps fer Christ's sake o_o), enough skulls to give a GW figure skull envy and horses that look like they live in a stable run by Fitness First that trouble me. Everyone standing like Status Quo performing Down Down doesn't help either.
I have miniatures from the previous KS and I'm quite happy with proportions. I think heads are not small in these, they are usually out of human proportion in many other brands (same as hands and feet, mind you).
About muscular horses in a warlike faction I think they may sense, they'd be used quite often to take massive raiders to battle!
However, I do agree with the stance problem, specially in miniatures armed with hand weapon and shield. It's something that has came out in the KS and he's going to consider.
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Some almost finished shots for the 'Chosen' and the Helsmaidens - they look very fantasy/conan-esque to me.
(https://d15chbti7ht62o.cloudfront.net/assets/003/384/111/7119d4b50cfb18a2192282513414c32d_large.jpg?1425506836)
(https://d15chbti7ht62o.cloudfront.net/assets/003/384/114/8fee7ed260b976f5c79dc36fdf097626_large.jpg?1425506849)
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Down down, deeper and down...
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I rate some of his earlier minis very highly and I personally like their proportions, even if they can be a pain to paint. However, these to me look more like caricatures of his earlier work than anything else. I find them frankly a bit silly.
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I think this is very much a product of the race he is sculpting though - the Helsvakt. These guys are kind of Khaos (I suspect the K is compulsory) and the small heads are to emphasise the fact that they are unnaturally muscular; it gives them that pin-head gym bunny look. I don't like spiky-bits personally, but I guess that's part and parcel of the whole Khaos thing too.
If you want more usual proportions then I guess we just have to wait for him to do more Aenglish humans.
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Arthadan, I'd say the problem with his previous horses was as I mentioned before, and almost the same problem with his helsmaidens here: he can sculpt big, beefy, steroid-popping barbarian musculature very well, but it looks like he struggles to understand anything else, and to some extent reverts to what he knows. It's less a problem with these human women - horses can look very strange with human muscular arrangements applied to them* - but I think there's still a bit of... cognitive dissonance, or something, going on. Almost as if he's torn between the usual bulging-muscle, nil-body-fat bodybuilder look and the idea of sculpting women thinner to look feminine or sexy or whatever. So at the moment the skinny biceps standing out on the skinny arms look more anorexic than strong or tough, and the legs look like figure eights: thigh and calf balloons** attached by a wee little knee.
Tre's an astounding sculptor and I still can't fathom how he accomplishes some aspects of his work (much to my chagrin) but I still think there's at least this one mental block or gap in his expertise that needs to be nimbly hopped over. Though maybe these WIPs will change as they're completed. I dunno.
* They look even weirder with their hind legs also splayed way out like aaall these other sculpts.
** Admittedly the lower legs have all those greaves and wrappings, but by that token they don't exactly mollify the effect.
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The Berserkers are up and they look amazing.
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/458/146/851ee1bdda6e253e74321662b4727cfd_original.jpg?v=1426635693&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=9224bd7718ca7f35b3ade72b293849a4)
I am really hoping this project gets the funding for another Jotunn.
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Its fun to stay at the ... Y...M...C...A!
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Heh... I kinda like how they are all different poses. At least Tre takes some chances, many sculptors seem to pump out the same pose over and over.
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Heh... I kinda like how they are all different poses. At least Tre takes some chances, many sculptors seem to pump out the same pose over and over.
I assume you're being ironic. The poses are incredibly invariant to me.
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No, I wasn't. Are you being intentionally contrary?
Look at the figure on the far right hand side, pretty unique.
Look at this and tell me it is 'invarient'.
(http://red-box-games.com/images/RBg%20Helsvakt%20WarpRager%20D.JPG)
Here is another one I find unique.
(http://red-box-games.com/images/RBG%20Aenglish%20Mad%20Angus.JPG)
His zombies...
(http://red-box-games.com/images/RBG%20Infernal%20Lesser%20Undead.JPG)
Though many of his sculpts are not as unique some of them are very much so, as well as nicely detailed, especially for being true 28mm.
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I'd like to see more dynamic poses, running, jumping, kicking, charging. All seem to be standing their ground, even if they are attacking.
However the mounted champion pose looks perfect to me:
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/454/694/3460da843cf57a2bd8dafdadeba0e08e_original.jpg?v=1426600939&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=9a802618dbde7b43b5706fb343c38cac)
Humm, maybe if he were loking to his right, head lowered (as if looking at someone he's about to strike) would look even better.
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By the way, scale pic:
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/457/063/cff3051531c8325e284fc7a924777d08_original.JPG?v=1426626610&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=b8ff646e1f50c50b5c36b40a619781ba)
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I think some of the leg poses of the Helsmaidens are a bit off, e.g. the far right one.
But on the whole, I think these are great sculpts ( remind me a bit of Frazetta ) and doubtless will pick some of them up later. :)
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Yeah, there is something seriously wrong with the musculature of those women's legs. Womens' legs, even heavily muscled ones, just don't work that way.
The basic problem is that women still retain a female curve, even in hideous bodybuilder mode. The only way you don't get that is with boyish girls with flattened shapes, but that body type is irreconcilable with a hyper-muscled one.
So if you give a female model over-muscled thighs, those thighs still need to be quite wide; in short, the problem is that those barbarian women have no hips or asses.
Of course it's possible Tre has "a thing" for this look... he'd hardly be the first sculptor to sculpt "what he likes"... ::) lol
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By the way, scale pic:
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/457/063/cff3051531c8325e284fc7a924777d08_original.JPG?v=1426626610&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=b8ff646e1f50c50b5c36b40a619781ba)
Thanks Arthadan, I was under the impression these were much smaller.
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Its fun to stay at the ... Y...M...C...A!
lol
I think Duke Donald put it a bit strongly but I basically agree. For one thing, like wot's been said, the five barbars here have basically the same hip-dislocation hyper-splayed stance. Two are doing a very similar pec-squeeze thing, one an overhead swing, one just standing there. The crouching guy is a bit different but, well, it's almost exactly the same pose as the first 'different' pic you posted, Vauln. I think I saw it on one of his boneback goblins too.
The mounted champion harks back to another point: just why are it's legs so far apart?
Very well detailed of course, but unless you've got a thing for barbarians or are looking for more new ones (which I don't and am not) it all just feels a bit samey.
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Thanks Arthadan, I was under the impression these were much smaller.
Glad to help mate!