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Miniatures Adventure => SuperHero Adventures => Topic started by: supervike on October 21, 2015, 06:11:34 PM
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Knight Models are 'teasing' their new line, which, according to their Facebook page:
"This brand is intended to be used to release new ranges of special models and awesome stuff for Batman Miniature Game and projects in the future."
Then they posted this little teaser:
(https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11002630_701664346600553_7120523084563687488_n.jpg?oh=c3e738c40adcea496ba0d201e0af078f&oe=56C09A92)
I'm assuming thats going to be painted dark....very dark....
There was some more stuff in Spanish that I'm pretty sure translated to:
"YOU ARE ABOUT TO GO BROKE" ;D ;D ;D
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Ah the Arkham Knight Batmobile!
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I am really not getting the KM marketing strategy. ??? ::)
Why put an expensive resin product on the market when there are already good and (presumably) cheaper cars around.
(http://www.adpublishing.de/Arkham_Knight_Batmobile_1.jpg)
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Ah the Arkham Knight Batmobile!
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I am really not getting the KM marketing strategy. ??? ::)
Why put an expensive resin product on the market when there are already good and (presumably) cheaper cars around.
(http://www.adpublishing.de/Arkham_Knight_Batmobile_1.jpg)
For those that have product loyalty and the "Got to catch them all" mentality of some collectors.
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For those that have product loyalty and the "Got to catch them all" mentality of some collectors.
*raises hand sheepishly*
I do already have the Hot Wheels one, but I'm very interested in the quality, scale, and of course price of these items....
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I am really not getting the KM marketing strategy. ??? ::)
Why put an expensive resin product on the market when there are already good and (presumably) cheaper cars around.
Why buy an iPhone when there are identical cheaper ones?
The name. Some folks just live for the name brand.
Also, there are no doubt a segment that are aware of KM stuff, but don't realize there's anything else out there.
That happens a lot with GW stuff, but I guess I don't see why it can't happen with KM too.
It does look like a nice model, though I'm not in love with the design. Quality work, certainly.
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They have an explanation of the Legends line as well as a picture of the Arkham Asylum model up on their Facebook page.
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t31.0-8/12052579_702543349845986_6783480802465865465_o.jpg)
I don't have Facebook. You can still see it.
https://www.facebook.com/knightmodels
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That is more to my liking... ;)
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My biggest gripe with this (and I admit it's early days) is not the model. It's the accompanying info from the Arkham Asylum post stating that the products will only be available through the Knight Models web store.
I've only ordered from their store once. I won't be doing it again. As I posted on the official BMG forum it's nothing to do with the service or the product, but the exchange rate, shipping and VAT that gets added on top of the prices. While KM currently does offer free shipping if you order enough product, conversion from CAD to Euro is not kind, and VAT of 21% is over 4 times what I pay in goods and services tax on local purchases.
Quite frankly with the already high prices on their models (yes I understand they're more because of licensing fees blah blah blah), this feels like a bad decision. I'm sure the products themselves will be lovely and the European market will probably love them... Leaving North America and the rest of the world out by making them web-store only just seems short-sighted to me.
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I'd agree with that completely...
I guess I didn't realize that they'd be webstore only.
I ordered the BMG rulebook thru their store (because I REALLY wanted the Joker Cover) and that cost me quite a bit.
I did see that this was going to take place in conjunction with the revamping of the web site....maybe there are some changes being made too.
I sure hope so.
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It would be very nice if they had a North American shipping partner. I know Cool Mini stocks their minis. How hard could it be to buy it on their website and have someone else ship it?
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Yes there are some positives to be had from that, most notably a revamped KM website. Their existing one is functional but does not provide a wonderful shopping / browsing experience. I'm sure their updated one will be great.
There are a few distributors in Canada now that are stocking limited amounts of product. If the KM Legends stuff are online only though, it'll remain largely unavailable or unobtainable for folks outside of Europe.
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They have an explanation of the Legends line as well as a picture of the Arkham Asylum model up on their Facebook page.
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t31.0-8/12052579_702543349845986_6783480802465865465_o.jpg)
I don't have Facebook. You can still see it.
https://www.facebook.com/knightmodels
That is sexy as hell.
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That is sexy as hell.
I'm waiting for the price before I start to rave over it.
The Batmobile is a bit of an odd choice as there are so many out there already which are in scale with the minis.
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I guess all you will need to make a good 3X3 table to play on is the Arkham Asylum package some scatter terrain on the ground. Depending on the price, I might get in on that!
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The Batmobile is up.
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12193645_704140759686245_1691575689134168436_n.jpg?oh=f3304eb572103ecffa9b183f0a4255e9&oe=56B9145E)
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Looks nice, but sadly the post didn't come with any kind of info about price, number of parts or whether it has game rules. I'm guessing this one will be priced at around 50 Euros.
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Looks nice, but sadly the post didn't come with any kind of info about price, number of parts or whether it has game rules. I'm guessing this one will be priced at around 50 Euros.
Frankly, I will be surprised if this comes in under $100 US dollars....
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There is no way it is that cheap. That thing is going to be crazy expensive. Depending on how it builds, storage could be a problem too.
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Given that I got my EagleMoss one for $50CAD, which came build and painted, I'm really not inclined to pay the same or more for another one. Sure that means I won't be able to use it in an official tournament, but I'm ok with that...as there aren't any near me anyway.
I admit I've been pretty hard on KM lately in terms of their pricing and the proposed online-only availability of the legends stuff, but if all they hear is cheers and whistles that's not good either. It's hard to improve if people don't give you honest feedback.
Or perhaps I'm not the audience for this at all. It just struck me that this is a lot like the ForgeWorld premium 40k stuff. I've never understood how people are willing to pay those kinds of prices for that stuff...
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Granted it won't be for everyone, but I can't understand the 'other companies already make them, so why would Knight make one?' argument. That's like saying 'Chapter House make Tyranid wings, so why would Games Workshop bother?'. The real question is: why on earth wouldn't they? They have the licence to make a Batman miniatures game, which is a real coup. Their range will logically be as complete as humanly possible - if you want a 35mm compatible Batmobile, it should be Knight Models vying for that dollar rather than another company. They've undoubtedly seen the comments on forums about Eaglemoss, because they're a small company with a strong community presence, and they've probably thought 'Hey, we should be selling those!'
Personally, I do have the Eaglemoss one (several different ones, in fact). But if this one is reasonably priced Ill buy it, because I'd much rather paint a premium resin sculpt than have to prime/repaint a diecast model. Just personal preference. Of course, if it costs a squillion dollars, I'll probably just make do with the one I have ;)
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Of course, if it costs a squillion dollars, I'll probably just make do with the one I have ;)
Yeah, me too, but I do think I have a squillion dollars laying about somewhere.... :D :D
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Granted it won't be for everyone, but I can't understand the 'other companies already make them, so why would Knight make one?' argument. That's like saying 'Chapter House make Tyranid wings, so why would Games Workshop bother?'.
Because there are loads of good official licenced ones out there already. It's not like the Eaglemoss or Corgi ones are crappy knock offs. The market is already pretty saturated. Most Batman players have already sourced a bat mobile or two making it harder for Knight to sell their version especially if it's an online only expensive resin piece.
Yeah, me too, but I do think I have a squillion dollars laying about somewhere.... :D :D
Could you lend me a bazillion or two? lol
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I'm wondering if the market saturation isn't the reason for the online only sale. Quite possibly the people who simply want "a batmobile" already have one. So your only going to sell to the hard core fans of the line. Best then to keep it a small production run, direct only at hard core prices. Might be the only way to make a decent profit, and avoids the risk of burdening your stockists with expansive kits that don't sell. (not a good marketing strategy in the long run)
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Well, it's officially out today. Less than 60 euros, and comes with two weapon options that slightly give it the edge over the competition. Hmm... decisions decisions! http://knightmodels-store.com/epages/afaa2a23-c31d-4ae6-b1cd-12757513fd3b.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/afaa2a23-c31d-4ae6-b1cd-12757513fd3b/Products/AKL001
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huh, well not what I was expecting then. Not the hardcore price I was predicting.
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And Arkham Asylum is about where I thought it would be for cost.
http://knightmodels-store.com/epages/afaa2a23-c31d-4ae6-b1cd-12757513fd3b.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/afaa2a23-c31d-4ae6-b1cd-12757513fd3b/Products/AKL002
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Can you actually get inside the asylum and place figures? It doesn't seem like it based on the photos. If so, it's kind of a lot to spend on what amounts to a giant fenced-in yard with a few towers
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OHH!!
I'm very excited for the Batmobile now....That pricing is downright reasonable (for KM).
I still want to see the actual scale of that thing with old Bats next to it!
Their new website has tantalizing clues to their future....
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Can you actually get inside the asylum and place figures? It doesn't seem like it based on the photos. If so, it's kind of a lot to spend on what amounts to a giant fenced-in yard with a few towers
I think you can play on it, batman style. There's some gargoyles for the Batclaw at least.
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If you can play inside it, I'd be more into the asylum. If you can't, it's neat but not worth it to me.
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I have never seen any images of the back side of the building, nor any interiors, so I don't think there is any way to play inside short of customizing it yourself.
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Many MDF kits have removable floors to gain access to the interior. But your right, they have never shown interior shots. I haven't been able to check their Facebook page to see if anyone has asked this yet.
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Looking at some your BMG threads, I was tempted by the adventure, looking the insanity of the prices of the miniatures, I'll move on to another project. 20€ for a model ... wooh even considering the licensing cost ... that's insane.
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Looking at some your BMG threads, I was tempted by the adventure, looking the insanity of the prices of the miniatures, I'll move on to another project. 20€ for a model ... wooh even considering the licensing cost ... that's insane.
High end of the market? Yes.
Insane? No. http://www.games-workshop.com/en-BE/Space-Marine-Librarian lol
Also, factor in that you can get them discounted at your FLGS, and you only need on average 5-7 minis for a game, and it's not an expensive hobby compared to the link above.
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Or just get the rules and use Heroclix. All the character stats are free on their website. They used to have the rules for free too, but I haven't seen that on the new site.
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The BMG rules are still downloadable on the website, but they've not been updated to match the printed rule book, so I would suggest avoiding it. If at all else, buy the rule book and proxy the models as you like. The game is sound and for you and your friends, who says you have to use KM's figures?
That said, the models are expensive on a price-per-figure basis, but psyberwyche is correct. You can play games with anything from 2 models or more, depending on the game size and figures you choose to play with. I have hundreds of Heroclix and like using them for miniature gaming after they've been repainted, but for the most part they certainly don't compare to the quality of the Knight Models stuff.
I think two boosters of Heroclix will cost you more than a single KM figure. Sure you might get 10 figures, but the quality isn't there, and you might not even get the model you want.
It's up to you.