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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: zemjw on 28 March 2016, 08:47:46 PM
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Spartan games have announced Halo: Ground Command - link (http://www.spartangames.co.uk/halo-ground-command)
1:100 (15mm), so not really my scale :(
Shipping date Summer 2016, don't see anything about price
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Well, its 15mm so Im pretty much interested well as long as they will be reasonably priced and compatible in size with Khurasan, Critical Mass and the like.
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I swear to god spartan hate money. lol
If they'd gone with 28mm they'd be able to retire on the profits from master chief miniatures alone,but they went with a scale that alot of people won't invest in.
(they also make no effort to keep their games stocked up/supported.)
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Beasts of War have an interview about the new game and lots of pictures of miniatures.They are still working on what will be in the box set.
The Warthog shown on the BoW interview looks great.There will be three weapon varients too.
I am sure they will look at doing the larger scale miniatures in the future.Going with 15mm means that they can do lots of the larger vehicles from the game Universe.
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I swear to god spartan hate money. lol
If they'd gone with 28mm they'd be able to retire on the profits from master chief miniatures alone,but they went with a scale that alot of people won't invest in.
(they also make no effort to keep their games stocked up/supported.)
To make it worse, when showing off 15mm sculpts, they showed a handful of "three ups" on the Beasts of War video which were essentially 28mm. I think a big problem here lies with the IP itself. A lot of companies/game developers/film studios etc. don't know/understand wargaming. Thus, a game must be released (at least initially) as a large box, fully inclusive with rules etc.
The idea of "hey can we just produce a line of miniatures for your IP?" probably doesn't resonate with a company, or interest them. If you asked 303 Studios (or Microsoft, or whatever) if you could simply produce a line of collectible miniatures for wargaming, you'd probably get little to no positive response. Thus you end up with large boxed games, and as such, very unlikely to do a quality 28mm line-up of figures.
PS: Regarding the game...meh, don't do 15mm and can't stand the HALO franchise, but good luck to `em.
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1:100 interests me. It also fits scalewise with the FOW fanciers & isn't going to directly compete with GW, Warlord etc.
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To make it worse, when showing off 15mm sculpts, they showed a handful of "three ups" on the Beasts of War video which were essentially 28mm. I think a big problem here lies with the IP itself. A lot of companies/game developers/film studios etc. don't know/understand wargaming. Thus, a game must be released (at least initially) as a large box, fully inclusive with rules etc.
The idea of "hey can we just produce a line of miniatures for your IP?" probably doesn't resonate with a company, or interest them. If you asked 303 Studios (or Microsoft, or whatever) if you could simply produce a line of collectible miniatures for wargaming, you'd probably get little to no positive response. Thus you end up with large boxed games, and as such, very unlikely to do a quality 28mm line-up of figures.
PS: Regarding the game...meh, don't do 15mm and can't stand the HALO franchise, but good luck to `em.
Spartan kind of strike me as the anti GW, in the sense that they focus on expanding and getting loads of cool games out without any sense of how to run a stable reliable business! They almost need someone removed from the hbby altogether to go in and sit them down and say "do this for 6 months, then do the other thing. Do what people want and what will sell" So that their games don't drop off the face of the earth after 20 minutes.
If the mini's are good i may pick some up tho.
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Huh, would have thought for sure this would be 28mm, since I would guess most people's interest in gaming Halo ground combat is something that vaguely resembles the video games, which (for the most part, there was that one RTS if I remember correctly) would look very much like a small-to-medium scale skirmish game, I'd think. Sure, 15mm lets them more easily do a lot of ground vehicles, but those were never really the focal point of Halo ground combat, or at least it didn't seem that way to me.
The minis (renders, 3-ups, and actual 15mm models) looked pretty good, though, and I'm sure there's appeal for large-scale Halo ground combat. I have to admit, I'm tempted just from watching the video, and it's not something I'd have thought I'd be too interested in.
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The "28mm or nothing" comments make me sad, 15mm is such a good scale for wargaming :(
http://cdn.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/halospartan4.jpg (http://cdn.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/halospartan4.jpg)
There's more pictures out there, just google image search "Halo Ground Combat"
Personally, I'm super excited about it being 15mm and plan to buy the heck out if the models, it's the perfect scale for mixing infantry and vehicles. It's the scale 40k should have been for the last couple editions, still gets you great detail on the infantry and vehicles but you can field a good amount of both without dropping a thousand dollars while still playable on an average table. It's a little bit of a niche scale, but there's actually a pretty decent following for 15mm scifi wargaming. 28mm means skirmish games to me, which are great (I adore Infinity), but for Halo I want to see units clash, squadrons of warhogs and tanks. I already have some knock-off generic spartans from various companies in 15mm, but it's going to be great getting actual Warthogs and Scorpions and Marines without having to convert. Glad this is set on Reach, with all the Spartan IIIs running around and Master Chief still in cryo sleep. Halo's setting is high on my top 10 universes, but I'm sick to death of Master Chief and Cortana. Halo IV or V would have been nice: Spartan IVs and Prometheans and Covenant remnants still running around, but I'll take Reach. More than two factions always help a game, but we'll see. I'll probably just use the figs to play Gruntz unless the actual rules are especially good, will have to give it a few trial games to see.
Large engagements may not have been the focus of the video games, but even from the first Halo they were always there as a backdrop. The small slice of the action feel is a necessity of it being an FPS. I'm actually very glad that it WON'T play just like the video games. A game where one person plays a single Spartan rampaging through the hundreds of Covenant models wouldn't be very interesting for the Covenant player. The Haloclix made by Wizkidz could have been great, but they tried too hard to recreate the multiplayer deathmatch experience and failed utterly. Good figs too, though you usually have to strip the gloopy paint to see it, but the game was horrible.
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If 15mm is your thing then great :)... You will be one of the lucky ones who get to play the HALO franchise at your chosen scale.
I am a 28mm collector because I can't paint tiny miniatures and need them bigger to actually see them ;) ... so I don't do 15mm out of necessity and can understand why people want them in 28mm (something the 28mm crowd has been screaming for for years).
The other thing about 28mm is there are a lot of WH40k players out there who would leap on HALO stuff at 28mm... so you have a ready made customer base (and they are used to paying premium money for miniatures)... so there would likely be a higher revenue stream.
On the flip side... can you imagine how big a Pelican Dropship would be in 28mm?! :o ... so 15mm makes perfect sense.
It's horses for courses and no matter what scale was used, those who don't do the scale will be disappointed and will likely express their disappointment on the forums... nothing to be sad about, it's just what it is :)
I'm looking to get a Pelican Dropship at 15mm and convert it into a 28mm Dwarf/Squat/Grymn dropship so for me, the scale isn't too much of an issue (as long as I can reasonably convert the thing :D ). I've just always liked the Pelican dropship :) ... and my HALO Grymn need a ride :) :
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_k83q3lGjCoA/TDoFZu9r46I/AAAAAAAAA1k/OTzphLX9AFg/s1600/HALO13.jpg)
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Your Grymn cant be much bigger than 15mm Inso and you have done a great job on them ;).
I think the scale issue is a hard one to go for.Lots of people will want large scale battles at the 15mm scale as it is cheaper.Then you have others who would want the 28mm scale one's.I can see the benefit of both scales and i do hope that Spartan get the go ahead to do them in 28mm too.Not sure what price the vehicles would be in that scale though.
Will be interesting to see what buildings will be with the set.Makes me wonder if they will be like the Planetfall one's.
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Wished that this was "28mm" as that's all I collect, but understand as others have said why it makes sense to be 15mm.
Maybe we'll get a skirmish game in the future at "28mm" (I'm hoping dropzone commander does this as well) but a bit sad I won't be able to get some "28mm" ODST or Elites
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Gaming reasons were probably only part of the reason for going 15mm. Spartan needed to differentiate themselves from the clix halo figures that are still floating around.
I feel everyone's pain. I'd buy the hell out of these too if they were 28mm/32mm. For better or worse, that's the only scale I'm into now.
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That would make them about the same scale as the McFarlane Micro Ops sets from a few years ago which ain't so bad.
The vehicles, figures and terrain pieces were cool, so I can only have hope for the upcoming game.
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The "28mm or nothing" comments make me sad, 15mm is such a good scale for wargaming :(
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Personally, I'm super excited about it being 15mm and plan to buy the heck out if the models, it's the perfect scale for mixing infantry and vehicles. It's the scale 40k should have been for the last couple editions, still gets you great detail on the infantry and vehicles but you can field a good amount of both without dropping a thousand dollars while still playable on an average table.
So true! I personally love playing 40k in 15mm, it really gives you a reasonable price limit and great games on average dining tables. Thus I m pretty excited of the Halo game. Hopefully it will push also other companies into investing in that scale!
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If 15mm is your thing then great :)... You will be one of the lucky ones who get to play the HALO franchise at your chosen scale.
I am a 28mm collector because I can't paint tiny miniatures and need them bigger to actually see them ;) ... so I don't do 15mm out of necessity and can understand why people want them in 28mm (something the 28mm crowd has been screaming for for years).
The other thing about 28mm is there are a lot of WH40k players out there who would leap on HALO stuff at 28mm... so you have a ready made customer base (and they are used to paying premium money for miniatures)... so there would likely be a higher revenue stream.
On the flip side... can you imagine how big a Pelican Dropship would be in 28mm?! :o ... so 15mm makes perfect sense.
It's horses for courses and no matter what scale was used, those who don't do the scale will be disappointed and will likely express their disappointment on the forums... nothing to be sad about, it's just what it is :)
I'm looking to get a Pelican Dropship at 15mm and convert it into a 28mm Dwarf/Squat/Grymn dropship so for me, the scale isn't too much of an issue (as long as I can reasonably convert the thing :D ). I've just always liked the Pelican dropship :) ... and my HALO Grymn need a ride :) :
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_k83q3lGjCoA/TDoFZu9r46I/AAAAAAAAA1k/OTzphLX9AFg/s1600/HALO13.jpg)
After seeing your nicely painted miniatures, i think, you should give 15mm a try. Most modern 15mm minis are in fact 18mm-scale, which means they are nearly as large as the average Grimn. I have actually some of those not-squats in power armor converted into terminators and dreadnoughts for 15/18mm. So it's probably not at all difficult for you to do this scale!
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To be honest I wasn't too interested until I heard it was 15mm. Sight issues are one thing, but why otherwise limit your enjoyment? 6-15mm battles are great. I expect the popularity of the franchise will force some 40K players to acknowledge that other scales exist, and given how popular FoW apparently is with (ex-)GW gamers, I think it could have some success.
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To be honest I wasn't too interested until I heard it was 15mm. Sight issues are one thing, but why otherwise limit your enjoyment? 6-15mm battles are great. I expect the popularity of the franchise will force some 40K players to acknowledge that other scales exist, and given how popular FoW apparently is with (ex-)GW gamers, I think it could have some success.
I agree. It's a good choice imo. It allows for infantry models that are recognisably Halo but also is small enough to allow for vehicles and other things for that epic feel (no pun intended) Spartan seem to want. Sci fi games in 28mm are pretty well covered.
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15mm is an *infinitely* more sensible scale for vehicles than 28mm.
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15mm is an excellent scale...but I think the majority of gamers stick to common scales between games, if only for terrain/etc. Personally outside of a small project in 6mm, I stick to 28mm solely because I can use terrain/mats/figures etc. between various games. I stick to skirmish level games so a large unit battle game wouldn't persuade me regardless of scale.
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Gaming reasons were probably only part of the reason for going 15mm. Spartan needed to differentiate themselves from the clix halo figures that are still floating around.
Speaking of, these really aren't a bad option at all if you want to do some 28mm Halo gaming. I have a bunch of them, and while the paint jobs are variable the detail is fine on all that I own, unlike a great many clix models. They tend to be quite cheap, these days, although also less abundant on the secondary market than they used to be since their collectibility is down.
Main drawbacks are that they're prepaints, lack of poses, and gap-filling. In the long run, addressing those probably isn't more work than you'd put into prepping normal models anyways.
Sight issues are one thing, but why otherwise limit your enjoyment? 6-15mm battles are great.
Larger scale battles are limiting in other ways - I suppose it depends on what kind of Halo game you want to play.
When I think Halo, my mind goes straight to the FPS games, and when I think of that translated into a minis game, I think of relatively low model count skirmishes with individually-based figures, probably in pretty dense terrain. To me, that kind of game is better served by 28mm minis. Multi-based 15mm figures that operate in units don't capture that scale of conflict very well.
The 15mm minis look very nice, though, and the smaller scale facilitates getting the cool vehicles that the Halo games include onto the battle field, so I see the appeal. It's definitely piqued my interest, and I could see getting into it at some point.
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You'll probably be able to guess my thoughts on this: massive missed opportunity to have a great 28mm game. (Check out my Halo thread here on LAF: Loads of inspiration. I'll probably get it, but 28mm is my go to scale (plus too much completed already in the project and my covenant forces are very special ;) ).)
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My thought was not so much that 15mm is bad (i really want to game 15mm but it's damned hard without larger collection for others to borrow from.) more that spartan make weird business decisions that compromise the success of their games.
The models do look great ,and if they make unsc drop troops or the generic ground troops i will certainly pick up a box or two for skirmish games. :)
( i still stand by my point that if they made just a handful of 28mm kits they'dmake 10 times what they make with a full 15mm range. This could of course be the game that pushes 15mm into every gamers collection.)
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I think, also, it's worth noting that today with computer generated models etc., it would be no big thing to size up models (add some detail when adjusting up to 28mm etc.). I think they could sneak in a "collectors" figure set, some of the most common units and they'd sell really well.
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I think, also, it's worth noting that today with computer generated models etc., it would be no big thing to size up models (add some detail when adjusting up to 28mm etc.). I think they could sneak in a "collectors" figure set, some of the most common units and they'd sell really well.
... add to that the fact that they already have some 'three-ups' that are almost perfectly 28mm scale already (they were shown in the BoW video) and this is an excellent idea :)
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15mm is an excellent scale...but I think the majority of gamers stick to common scales between games, if only for terrain/etc. Personally outside of a small project in 6mm, I stick to 28mm solely because I can use terrain/mats/figures etc. between various games.
That's the situation for me. 15mm (and even 6mm) make much more sense from a gaming sense, but all my terrain, mats, props is all geared toward 28mm/30mm figures. The time, storage space and expense of duplicating all that stuff in another scale just kills my enthusiasm no mater how cool the game or license.
( i still stand by my point that if they made just a handful of 28mm kits they'dmake 10 times what they make with a full 15mm range. This could of course be the game that pushes 15mm into every gamers collection.)
I'm not so sure about that. I haven't read a lot of positive reviews of their Dystopian Legion figures. Apparently they are not as adept at metal casting as they are with resin.
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To be honest I wasn't too interested until I heard it was 15mm. Sight issues are one thing, but why otherwise limit your enjoyment? 6-15mm battles are great. I expect the popularity of the franchise will force some 40K players to acknowledge that other scales exist, and given how popular FoW apparently is with (ex-)GW gamers, I think it could have some success.
Me too. I don't game 28mm, almost exclusively paint 6mm in fact, so 15mm will feel huge to paint.
And I like Halo, so this is interesting.
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I'm not so sure about that. I haven't read a lot of positive reviews of their Dystopian Legion figures. Apparently they are not as adept at metal casting as they are with resin.
The problem with dystopian legions was that they again chose a sale no one wanted. In that case it was 35mm, so even the most basic trooper towered over every other manufacturers figures! The vehicles we're one of the few things people actually wanted.
Like i said, good game makers, but poor businessmen. No doubt this will be a good game,with solid mechanics ,which will be supported for a few weeks then drop off the planet.
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And, despite the constant theme...I've never seen a steampunk/sci-fi/alternative WW1 range do really well. A lot of fans and content creators, but almost none of these ranges has ever taken off with wild success that I've seen.
I think it's a dangerous place to go, particularly in a silly 35-36mm scale (same thing that Wild West Exodus game did). Now that is a way to kill business.
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I'd have been all over Dystopian Legions if they hadn't been so ridiculously out of scale with everything else.. :?
Here's hoping this stuff will actually manage to be in 15mm scale.
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I'd have been all over Dystopian Legions if they hadn't been so ridiculously out of scale with everything else.. :?
Here's hoping this stuff will actually manage to be in 15mm scale.
Quoted for truth
I would have gone in hard on the dystopian legion Brits if they would have fit in with the rest of my collection
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I'd have been all over Dystopian Legions if they hadn't been so ridiculously out of scale with everything else.. :?
Here's hoping this stuff will actually manage to be in 15mm scale.
Before it came out every forum had a whole heap of people saying they'd use them for imperial guard, who then instantly got put off by the scale.
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To be fair on Spartan, their 10mm planetfall miniatures are great.. especially the infantry. The level of detail on those Aquans gives them real character (In contrast to the DZC boxed set figures, I was so disenchanted that I sold the whole lot off and never looked back!)
As a 15mm convert I'm really looking forward to seeing these in the flesh or resin, just hope the whole thing doesn't go the way of Planetfall and kind of run out of steam.
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The game's up for pre-order (http://shop.spartangames.co.uk/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HGBB01) at £65.00
Includes scenery and other gubbins. The important stuff (figures and vehicles) are:
UNSC 1,000 Point Battle Force – including 1x Officer, 1x Medic, 1x Radio Operator, 2x Snipers, 2x Spotters, 2x 2-man HMG Teams, 2x 2-man Missile Teams, 27x Troopers, 2x Warthogs (Gatling, Gauss and Rocket Weapons for each) and a 1x Spartan
Covenant 1,000 Point Battle Force – including 1x Elite Ultra, 2x Elite Minor, 3x Elite Majors, 6x Grunts with Fuel Rods, 24x Grunt Minors, 3x Ghosts with Grunt Operator and 2x Hunters.
Doesn't seem a lot of stuff for a 15mm game - almost skirmish sized forces. 20 custom dice, so lots of rolling o_o
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Only one Spartan eh?
Let's simulate the video game and send the poor chap on his own against the whole Covenant battle force. :D
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I like the sound of this but I think some photos would be nice. I know it's still early days but at £65 it would be nice to see exactly what you are purchasing. It would probably help shift a few too.
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Now that they know the contents of the set i am sure they will be working on getting miniatures and other items painted and such to show us all.I wonder if the buildings will be like the Planetfall one's or resin.Looking forward to getting the game.There will be lots of pictures of the miniatures after Salute,just need to wait a little.
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I wonder if the buildings will be like the Planetfall one's or resin.
I'm also wondering how close they will come to the McFarlane stuff. My kids got some for Christmas a few years back and I managed to find some at the bottom of the lego box. Turns out the terrain wasn't half bad.
Only one Spartan eh?
Let's simulate the video game and send the poor chap on his own against the whole Covenant battle force. :D
Yeah, I assume the spartan will be obscenely powerful. HULK SMASH! ;D
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Quoted for truth
I would have gone in hard on the dystopian legion Brits if they would have fit in with the rest of my collection
I was heavily into Dystopian Wars, sold it all now. I would have loved Dystopian Legion in 15mm, it was rumored at the tine that Spartan where going to do a 10mm/15mm range of Legion but alas it never materialized
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Pelican is up for pre-order 75 pounds for one big beast.
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Pelican is up for pre-order 75 pounds for one big beast.
I won't be pre-ordering... but I've already warned my missus that there will be a £75 payment leaving the account this summer :)
My Grymn will finally get a lovely dropship :)
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I think i will wait for Wayland games to get them in and order then.The Covenant ship looks good too.Looking forward to seeing what comes out after the boxed game.
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I think whatever existing gamer market exists, you are all underestimating the VAST Halo fanbase that has no miniatures. Are they going to care what scale it is? Probably not, they'll be coming from the boardgame and computer/console (well, duh, considering the IP ::) ) worlds.
I also think that LAF can be somewhat of a 28mm echo chamber at times. Sure, I collect mostly 28mm but for the few hours I was at Adepticon this year, it was amazing to see the growth/popularity of 15mm Sci-fi. There is definitely a market for this game, and I think it will do fairly well. I had been getting rid of my 28mm Sci-Fi and this just about seals the deal. I have enough infantry-only or infantry-mostly periods/genres in 28 already; the appeal of Sci-Fi gaming, to me anyway, is the stompy mechs and the gravtanks, and smaller scales make for better games with those.
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I much prefer 28mm, but I say this only as a painter and collector. I'm really not much of a gamer, but am addicted to buying into these sorts of things.
Plus, I'm a huge Halo fan, and if this is the only scale I can get, I'll still be excited!
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Well, I decided to go ahead and sign up for the pre-order....
Mostly because I spotted a 25% discount coupon.
It was SOTPHALO25 but I think it's only good until tommorow (may 22). If you were thinking of jumping in anyhow, you may as well take a quarter off....
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Well, I decided to go ahead and sign up for the pre-order....
Mostly because I spotted a 25% discount coupon.
It was SOTPHALO25 but I think it's only good until tommorow (may 22). If you were thinking of jumping in anyhow, you may as well take a quarter off....
Thanks, much appreciated! :)
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There's some more information out about the game.
I can't find the original source on the Spartan Games website, but gmorts chaotica (http://gmortschaotica.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/spartan-games-newsletter.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+GmortsChaotica+(GMorts+Chaotica)) and meeples (https://meeples.wordpress.com/2016/06/18/halo-ground-command-launches-july-2016/) both say pretty much the same thing.
The dropships are going to be over a foot long and approx £75 each. Probably as well they're not 28mm ;D They're up for preorder at the moment
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There's some more information out about the game.
I can't find the original source on the Spartan Games website, but gmorts chaotica (http://gmortschaotica.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/spartan-games-newsletter.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+GmortsChaotica+(GMorts+Chaotica)) and meeples (https://meeples.wordpress.com/2016/06/18/halo-ground-command-launches-july-2016/) both say pretty much the same thing.
The dropships are going to be over a foot long and approx £75 each. Probably as well they're not 28mm ;D They're up for preorder at the moment
Excellent news! Seems I won't be getting my preorder till early August, but I have more than enough to work on in the mean time. lol
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Full preorder and final content details up in their shop (http://shop.spartangames.co.uk/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HGBB01)