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Offline Tim Haslam

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Another question, but a real tough one this time!
« on: February 24, 2025, 12:03:44 PM »
28mm Palmyran armies.

I’m currently looking at converting some of my armies over from being based for WAB to now being used In Swordpoint.
It’s not an enormous task..

However, looking at the Palmyran list in SP, I notice that the camel riders have been replaced by Dromedarii or mounted troops, these are armed with spear, bow, light armour and shields.

So, game wise, they are now mounted infantry.
That all sounds fair, no problem.
But….
What figures should I use for effectively dismounted camel riders, in armour???
I’m perplexed?
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Offline Poiter50

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Re: Another question, but a real tough one this time!
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2025, 01:48:31 PM »
I would have thought the weapons you list were used from atop a camel? What makes you think they are  foot troops using camels to get them to battle?
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Re: Another question, but a real tough one this time!
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2025, 01:59:43 PM »
I'm far from being knowledgeable about the period, but I thought Dromedarii was just the Latin for 'Camel Rider'.
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Re: Another question, but a real tough one this time!
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2025, 02:30:33 PM »
Yes, I too thought "Dromedarii" were camel-mounted troops. I thought the Romans and Palmyrans used them our in the desert for patrol and reconnaissance, given the natural advantage of horses over camels for extended periods in the desert.

Offline ithoriel

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Re: Another question, but a real tough one this time!
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2025, 03:01:29 PM »
The only entirely dromedarii unit I am aware of is Ala I Ulpia Dromedariorum Milliaria.

The designation ala would seem to me to indicate that they operated mounted.

The other unit with dromedarii, unit name escapes me at the moment, was an infanty unit with attached dromedariii. Similar units with attached horsemen used the cavalry as .. cavalry. So I'd assume the dromedarii were used in similar fashion.

I'd be surprised if they couldn't fight dismounted at a push but I wouldn't expect it to be common practice.

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Re: Another question, but a real tough one this time!
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2025, 04:13:17 PM »
Not familiar with either set of rules, but my only knowledge of Palmyran camel riders is they are cavalry, not mounted infantry.
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Re: Another question, but a real tough one this time!
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2025, 04:22:35 PM »
It all makes sense to me guys.

But in Swordpoint they are deployed as mounted infantry.

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Re: Another question, but a real tough one this time!
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2025, 05:42:16 PM »
EDIT - Just noticed you asked about Palmyrans not Roman dromedarii - sorry Tim.

The other unit with dromedarii, unit name escapes me at the moment, was an infanty unit with attached dromedarii. I'd be surprised if they couldn't fight dismounted at a push but I wouldn't expect it to be common practice.

The other unit you are thinking of may be Cohors XX Palmyrenorum Equitata Milliaria based in Dura-Europos in Roman Syria.  It was a mixed infantry and cavalry force so (at full strength) consisting of ten centuries of 80 infantry and eight turmae of 30 cavalry, though it was unusual in having a small number of dromedarii on the strength as well. Sources indicate that was ony a few dozen attached to the infantry perhaps for scouting.  I would guess that the riders would be dressed pretty much the standard kit of the auxiliary cohort - probably with some sort of robe or cloak to keep the sun off their metal helmet and mail armour. 
As far as I am aware all the mounted troops were trained to fight on foot but being cavalry and "superior" to the infantry in their own opinion it would only be in dire circumstances or when their mounts were incapacitated. 



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Re: Another question, but a real tough one this time!
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2025, 07:02:15 PM »
Uh, these are some nice looking miniatures? Who produces them?

Offline SJWi

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Re: Another question, but a real tough one this time!
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2025, 07:15:44 PM »
I could be mistaken but I think they are by Armorum & Aquila (A&A) Miniatures. They are part of their 4th century Imperial Roman range.  Nice figures if a tad crude by the latest sculpting standards.

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Re: Another question, but a real tough one this time!
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2025, 07:16:42 PM »
They look great.

Yes some sort of dismounted version of those, with bows!

Offline Emperorbaz

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Re: Another question, but a real tough one this time!
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2025, 04:44:02 PM »
Yes they are a@a who do a great set of camel mounted figures. Regarding dismounted, in Aventine minis Sassanid range there are some great armoured troops on foot, one in particular is a set of dismounted armoured cavalry

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Re: Another question, but a real tough one this time!
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2025, 09:21:30 PM »
Managed to find a picture.
Excellent choice.
Thanks

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Re: Another question, but a real tough one this time!
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2025, 11:04:37 PM »
A& A make up a majority of my Sassanids and late Roman’s I love the figures
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Re: Another question, but a real tough one this time!
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2025, 07:37:53 PM »
You could use the Garrison Persian light camels with the riders for the cataphract camels. Swap heads if required.

 

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