Star Wars hats

[fastolfrus]

O.k. bit of a button-counting question:

Is there a difference between the caps worn by rebel troopers on Hoth and the ones in Rogue One?

[Mr Tough Guy]

I would say yes, apart from the obvious colour difference, the flaps and the shape of the rim are different.

[Daeothar]

Be that as it may, at a cursory glance they're similar enough to be heaped together. Besides, the Rogue One ones are obviously meant to be a nod to the Hoth ones.

Then again, I'm not a rivet/button counter, so I may be a bit more casual about this sort of thing.

Also; at 28, 20 or 15mm, who's gonna notice?

[Maj Guiscard]

The Brim is longer on the hats in Rogue One.
No self respecting gamer would ever put those on the table together.
 

/sarc

they look close enough

[fastolfrus]

Also; at 28, 20 or 15mm, who's gonna notice?

At those scales, not me.

But I'm looking at 1:1....

[DS615]

They appear to be the same, or more specifically, they seem to be intended to be the same.
The R1 hats are just of a different color.

Any minor differences are explained by differences in production quality.  For ESB they were for looks on film, not intended to be "real hats", and done by the fast/cheap methods of the day.  The R1 hats are actual hats, since the machines to create such things are readily available to anyone, and certainly today's production companies.

The Rebel Legion and 501st accept them as the same, and those are the people that I would look to for standards on that.

[fastolfrus]

Actually there are a few differences between the R1 and Hoth, mainly on the neck cover.
The big question is the quilting. Most photos of the Hoth quilting is a diagonal/diamond pattern stitchline, but most R1 quilting lines seem to be rectangular.

Bit difficult to know since Lucas had most of the original Hoth extras caps destroyed at the end of filming (to stop them being re-used for other productions?) but Alinger's book on the original trilogy has a few clear pictures, plus there are good online photos of the surviving Hoth cap that got auctioned a few years ago

[Mark Plant]

The big question is the quilting. Most photos of the Hoth quilting is a diagonal/diamond pattern stitchline, but most R1 quilting lines seem to be rectangular.

Arrrgghhhhhh!  One of the reasons I left most historical gaming is to avoid this sort of minutiae. (I game Russian Civil War, but the standards of that time were that anyone actually fully clothed and shod was doing OK, and that a cockade, star or stripe on your hat meant you were in uniform.)

If you need 50,000 quilted hats, I wonder whether anyone bothers specifying the direction of the quilting.

[fastolfrus]

If you need 50,000 quilted hats, I wonder whether anyone bothers specifying the direction of the quilting.

Thankfully don't need 50,000 just currently struggling to stitch one together

[DS615]

Arrrgghhhhhh!  One of the reasons I left most historical gaming is to avoid this sort of minutiae. (I game Russian Civil War, but the standards of that time were that anyone actually fully clothed and shod was doing OK, and that a cockade, star or stripe on your hat meant you were in uniform.)

If you need 50,000 quilted hats, I wonder whether anyone bothers specifying the direction of the quilting.

For costumers that sort of minutiae is what they live for!

At the time of ESB, no, they didn't specify.  The pattern is coincidental. It's the orientation that allowed the largest number of hats to be made on a bolt of fabric.  For R!, same thing.
They are pretty obviously intended to be the same hat design.

[fastolfrus]

For costumers that sort of minutiae is what they live for!

At the time of ESB, no, they didn't specify.  The pattern is coincidental. It's the orientation that allowed the largest number of hats to be made on a bolt of fabric.  For R!, same thing.
They are pretty obviously intended to be the same hat design.

There's also the train of thought that includes the ESB ones being based on Russian army surplus....