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Offline Rob_bresnen

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Re: Urga
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2012, 09:45:36 PM »
See! I told you you could make it up- Those houses are just plonked willy nilly all over the show. Not a lot of town planning going on there. Great photos by the way.
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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2012, 09:59:43 AM »
There is a photo at the bottom of this link that gives some idea of the layout
http://www.retronaut.co/2012/05/mongolia-in-colour-1913/
hope it helps

Cracking. Thank you. I'm sure the civilising inclinations of Ungern Von Sternberg would have pushed things forward a bit.......
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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2012, 07:12:52 PM »
I would hope that Von Sterberg would have put an end to the rather nasty practice of starving women to death while being locked inside a heavy wooden box! Perhaps that could be part of the complicated scenario?
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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2012, 12:38:00 AM »
This link might help too,it's the book the other pic.s were in origionly there is a photo of the horse and camel market in the list of illustrations and chapters 11 and 12 have written descriptions of the city
http:http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/bulstrode/mongolia/mongolia.html
OOPS sorry did'nt post the link first time
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Re: Urga
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2012, 10:33:22 AM »
I would hope that Von Sterberg would have put an end to the rather nasty practice of starving women to death while being locked inside a heavy wooden box! Perhaps that could be part of the complicated scenario?

Have you read his real life story??????  He would have considered such practices as soft liberal nanny stateism!

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Re: Urga
« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2012, 12:02:51 PM »
I would hope that Von Sterberg would have put an end to the rather nasty practice of starving women to death while being locked inside a heavy wooden box!

You are jesting, surely?

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Offline S J Donovan

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Re: Urga
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2012, 04:47:15 AM »

Try
http://mongol.tufs.ac.jp/landmaps/
This contains several period maps in color of mongolia that could be useful.

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« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2012, 09:08:32 AM »
Traveller's descriptions paint a pretty colurful picture
I know the European quarter had a wooden stockade around it 11 feet high, there was an official/monastic quarter with lowish mud brick and tile precinct walls surrounding some large open spaces with various monastic buildings, a merchants quarter more or less planned chinese style, and a large suburb with wooden paling fencing where herders would put up their tents when they came to market. Wealthier Chinese and Europeans would have the usual insular square ranges of buildings with little or no windows facing outwards.
One of the most substantial buildings was the 2 storey brick built offices of Mongolore - a European funded Mining Company set up in 1905
Oh and don't forget the Marconi radio station established by the Chinese in 1911 on the nearby mountain slopes to listen in on the Russians with 3 x 100' masts and a cats cradle of aerial cable run off a petrol generator.
The main problem in Urga apparently were packs of feral dogs who'd have your arm off soon as look at you. There was pretty much a voluntary curfew after dark and nobody went around alone unarmed.
Just think of a Chinese Desert version of Yojimbo/A Fistful of Dollars and you'd not be far off.

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« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2012, 09:09:52 AM »
This is a link to a map of Urga in early C20. It presents Urga as far more ordered than many would have us believe. You can see the officials' residences, palaces etc. in the centre, with wealthier merchants houses surrounding them. The less ordered suburbs beyond the circular ditch marking the town/city boundary where the herders' corrals, european quarter, cemetery etc. would have been, while in the bottom L H corner is the palace of the Bogd Khan on the slopes of the sacred mountain.
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/museums/choijin/choijin89_th.jpg&imgrefurl=http://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/museums/choijin/choijin.html&usg=__N5__MzMOPClrB8ZQsQIvoEucPYY=&h=115&w=173&sz=7&hl=en&start=137&zoom=1&tbnid=JC-XL16AFnz6_M:&tbnh=66&tbnw=100&ei=jH12UO6QNMnW0QWcm4DwDw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmongolia%2Burga%2Bulaanbaatar%26start%3D120%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divns&itbs=1

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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2012, 03:55:42 AM »
Here's a fine description from a woman traveller in 1913:

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Urga the Sacred City, the home of the Gigin, the Living God, third in the Buddhist hierarchy, is not so much one city as three, all located on a high ridge above the Tola. Each is distinct, separate, entrenched. Arriving from the south, the one you reach first is Mai-ma-chin, the Chinese trading settlement, a tangle of small houses and narrow lanes hemmed in by stockades of wooden slabs and unbarked fir trees. Here are the eight or ten thousand Chinese who control the trade of North Mongolia. Apparently they make a good living, for there is a prosperous bustle about the place, and as you pick your way over the mud and filth of the streets, through open doorways you catch glimpses of courts gay with flowers and gaudily decorated houses such as the well-to-do Chinese build. But for the most part dull blank walls shut you out—or in. The Chinese is an unwelcomed alien in Mongolia, and he knows it.

A strip of waste, treeless land, bare of everything save a group of "chortens," that look like small pagodas, and a few yurts and sheds, separates Mai-ma-chin from the Russian settlement which occupies[277] the highest part of the ridge, dominating everything in a significant way. It centres in the consulate, a large white building surrounded by high walls, but more prominent is the tall red Russo-Asiatic Bank close by. Other buildings are a church and a few houses and shops. The Russian Consulate also is well fortified, with the last contrivances for defence,—walls, ditches, wire entanglements,—and it looks fit to stand a siege.

Before reaching Urga proper, the Mongol or lama city, which lies about three miles farther west, shut off from the others by a branch of the Tola, you pass the headquarters of the Chinese governor, and he, too, has entrenched himself behind strong earthworks. Ta Huren, the "Great Encampment," as the Mongols call Urga, which is not a Mongol word at all, but merely a modification of the Russian "urgo," a camp or palace, is a network of palisaded lanes enclosing, not comfortable houses and offices and banks, as in Mai-ma-chin, but temples and lamasseries. And well within these is the most sacred spot of all, the lamassery where dwells enthroned Bogdo or the Gigin, the Living Buddha ranking after the Dalai Lama and the Tashi Lama only.

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Re: Urga
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2012, 10:36:31 AM »
Zebcook.  Thank you!  Brings it alive much better than just photographs and maps.  Superb.

 

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