Painting Perry Miniatures Men at Arms- Step by Steps I, II & III

[Harry Faversham]

Right sorted!
I've got the entire Sioux and Cheyenne Nations to varnish...
that'll be as soon as the matt spray varnish rolls into Fort Faversham!
Thanks for the expert advice.
 

[Atheling]

Right sorted!
I've got the entire Sioux and Cheyenne Nations to varnish...
that'll be as soon as the matt spray varnish rolls into Fort Faversham!
Thanks for the expert advice.
 

I look forward to seeing the results matey 

[anevilgiraffe]

you still have Devlan Mud and Badab Black washes 

[Atheling]

you still have Devlan Mud and Badab Black washes 

I still have Badab Black- has it been discontinued? If so, I wasn't aware! (which may be a problem!  )

[anevilgiraffe]

yonks ago... I want to say a decade maybe? I was a bit peeved when Devlan disappeared, but have after a period of AP Strong Tone I'm sold on Agrax Earthshade nowadays...

[Atheling]

yonks ago... I want to say a decade maybe? I was a bit peeved when Devlan disappeared, but have after a period of AP Strong Tone I'm sold on Agrax Earthshade nowadays...

I've just checked and it's Nuln Oil that I have been using of late. I heard from a number of people, most notably Ste from the Plastic Crack Podcast, that the quality of Agrax Earthshade was not quite what it used to be? That it was relatively watery now compared to the older version?

[anevilgiraffe]

it's a different formulation now, as to whether it's Agrax v1 or Agrax v2 that is watery, I don't know. I know I definitely went AP strong tone for a while and I think they changed that, so whatever it is I like Agrax now.

[Atheling]

it's a different formulation now, as to whether it's Agrax v1 or Agrax v2 that is watery, I don't know. I know I definitely went AP strong tone for a while and I think they changed that, so whatever it is I like Agrax now.

Let me see if I've got this straight in my head 

So..... you can't tell me whether it was Agrax v1 or Agrax v2 that is watery? (I think the consensus is Agrax v2 is rubbish compared to the original)

AP Strong Tone is like Agrax v2 now?

It's probably not you; I've been known for the odd brain freeze or two in my time!

[Charlie_]

I have had similar frustrations with 'dark' washes - Army Painter Dark Tone, and Citadel Nuln Oil.

I used to swear by Dark Tone, until it suddenly seemed to change - dried glossy and blotchy. I reluctantly moved to Nuln Oil, and soon learned to love it. Then I heard they'd changed that as well! Perhaps the same time they changed the forumulation of Agrax Earthshade? I compared some old and new Nuln Oil side by side, and I'd say the new one wasn't that different, but was indeed a bit more watery. At the same time I went back and tried Dark Tone again after a few years away from it, and found it was now back to how I used to remember it (I think) and it dried really matt. I also tried a Vallejo dark wash just to compare at the same time.

So yes it's annoying when you come to rely on a simple wash as you're 'secret weapon' and then it gets messed around with for unknown reasons!

[Atheling]

I have had similar frustrations with 'dark' washes - Army Painter Dark Tone, and Citadel Nuln Oil.

I used to swear by Dark Tone, until it suddenly seemed to change - dried glossy and blotchy. I reluctantly moved to Nuln Oil, and soon learned to love it. Then I heard they'd changed that as well! Perhaps the same time they changed the forumulation of Agrax Earthshade? I compared some old and new Nuln Oil side by side, and I'd say the new one wasn't that different, but was indeed a bit more watery. At the same time I went back and tried Dark Tone again after a few years away from it, and found it was now back to how I used to remember it (I think) and it dried really matt.

Oh boy, we are really at the mercy of the paints companies are we not! 

So yes it's annoying when you come to rely on a simple wash as you're 'secret weapon' and then it gets messed around with for unknown reasons!

It's beyond annoying. Painting is quite a subtle thing, we all do it differently to some degree and when something suddenly changes, my autism aside, it can really put the kibosh on many a method!

I also tried a Vallejo dark wash just to compare at the same time.

Ah, now I was lucky there as I ordered four at once by accident!. a happy accident that turned out to be. not sure what I'm going to do after I run out of Nuln Oil if they have messed with it? And, anyone who's used GW paints knows one can be just one pot spill away from having barely anything at all!

[Charlie_]

These are the samples I painted, well worth doing to decide which one you prefer and really work out how they differ.

[Atheling]

These are the samples I painted, well worth doing to decide which one you prefer and really work out how they differ.

Very interesting. My preference would very much depend of what level of society the specific model was meant to represent. Darker/2murkier"/more coverage as a general rule for the lower ranks- much less so for the upper echelons of society.

[anevilgiraffe]

So..... you can't tell me whether it was Agrax v1 or Agrax v2 that is watery? (I think the consensus is Agrax v2 is rubbish compared to the original)

AP Strong Tone is like Agrax v2 now?

well, if memory serves, back in the day everyone said Devlan Mud was identical to AP Strong Tone, so when Devlan Mud died, I switched and never noticed a difference for yonks, until I did. I don't know what happened, but something with Strong Tone changed and I didn't like it. I moved to Agrax and love it, haven't had an issue, I honestly don't know if I switched before the v1/v2 change or after, I can't recall if I ever noticed a difference, so cannot say which was which, other than I like it now...

[Atheling]

well, if memory serves, back in the day everyone said Devlan Mud was identical to AP Strong Tone[/quote]

I have never thought that..... how odd.

so when Devlan Mud died, I switched and never noticed a difference for yonks, until I did. I don't know what happened, but something with Strong Tone changed and I didn't like it. I moved to Agrax and love it, haven't had an issue, I honestly don't know if I switched before the v1/v2 change or after, I can't recall if I ever noticed a difference, so cannot say which was which, other than I like it now...

OK, you mean it is what it is now.

[TWD]

well, if memory serves, back in the day everyone said Devlan Mud was identical to AP Strong Tone

Amy Painter bought up the range and rebottled it when GW switched suppliers, so that was very definitely the case.

Of course AP have since switched supplier too so it isn't true any more.