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Author Topic: Massacre of the Swiss Guards 1792 - painting finally started!  (Read 6760 times)

Offline italwars

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Re: Massacre of the Swiss Guards 1792
« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2020, 09:13:26 PM »
When I’ll have to go in my cellar I’ll recuperate among my boxes a sample figures produced during the early Eighties by Hinchliffe ..(yes the very last range produced by Hinchliffe was “French Revolution” and was made probably for the Bicentenary in 1989).. this figure is labelled “ Grenadier du Roi” but as “Grenadiers du Roi” didn’t existed as unit ..or at least I’ve never heard about it ..that very mini is exactly a Garde Francaise of the Grenadier Company ..from what i remnber from an email with Hind Figures , the owner who  had acquired Hinchliffe did nt list this FR range but he still has it and probably he will be happy to sell the minis if asked ..
For the moment see this comparison pict ..from left to right a Touller Figurines Vendéen/Chouan , a Mirliton Garde Nationale, a Foundry (sorry just the one I had at hand) and a HINCHLIFFE sanculotte from this practically unknown but nice range which had some nice types from the period  like Suvurov s Russians, Bavarians , ragged French, sanculottes with choice of weapons  and even an Austrian Grenzer border guard with cloak
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Re: Massacre of the Swiss Guards 1792
« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2020, 09:17:44 PM »
Double message sorry
« Last Edit: November 13, 2020, 09:19:33 PM by italwars »

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Re: Massacre of the Swiss Guards 1792
« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2020, 09:44:44 PM »
Again Gardes Suisses

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Re: Massacre of the Swiss Guards 1792
« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2020, 10:05:56 PM »
Another evidence of the fratricide struggle that took place during French Revolution even among famous units of the Royal Army that could be a basis for a kind of what if scenario or at least support more or less historically the choice of some  units for your game is this old print depicting a quite violent clash  or even a settled conventional battle that took place  on 12 July of 1789 in Paris between the above mentioned Gardes Francaises and the Royal Allmand cavalry reg. composed  of German speaking mercenaries.
The second print, in my opinion really accurate, depicts a Garde Francaise grenadier in the old style full dress fraternising with a civilian. The caption tell us that this Garde was among the first to enter the Bastille and the one that arrested the Comander of the prison
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Re: Massacre of the Swiss Guards 1792
« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2020, 10:17:29 PM »
And finally (for now 😏) if you really want to game the Tuilleries that s An article (including picts and short old school house rules) from a very old wargame magazine celebrating the Incredibile staging of this very game with no less  than 5000 25mm castings and a purposly Made “Chateau des Tuilleries “ and his gardens by the great master Ian Weekly ..sorry in advance for the picts and sorry for my IPhone that i use as An illiterated sanculotte of 1792..
« Last Edit: November 13, 2020, 10:37:08 PM by italwars »

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Re: Massacre of the Swiss Guards 1792
« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2020, 11:35:41 PM »
And last for tonight: I found this article on a French language blog that describes in detail the fight at Tuilleries with names of units, of many soldiers and gives micro details on the fighting retreat out of the gardens, toward the Assemblée Nationale as a last refuge..stopping in groups of few soldiers to fire at marauding mob among the garden and even succeeding in causing quite a few casualties among their pursuers by discharging, on the way, grape shots from the pieces previously abandoned by the Garde Nationale..a fighting desperate retreat by few survivals could also be an idea for a good scenario ..something like the last survivors retreating from Maiwand or Isandlwana (my favourite period being also Colonial 😄)
If Your French is ok or if you enjoy using google translator have a look at this article:
http://leblogdumesnil.unblog.fr/2013/08/10/2013-61-«-ainsi-finit-le-regiment-des-gardes-suisses-du-roi-de-france-»/

« Last Edit: November 13, 2020, 11:56:49 PM by italwars »

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Re: Massacre of the Swiss Guards 1792
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2020, 05:46:58 AM »
If your looking for figs. The perry's do have some french in there American Revolutionary war line.
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Re: Massacre of the Swiss Guards 1792
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2020, 06:57:29 AM »
Italwars, an awesome amount of great info, many thanks!

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Re: Massacre of the Swiss Guards 1792
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2020, 07:01:27 AM »
If your looking for figs. The perry's do have some french in there American Revolutionary war line.

Thanks, I think I have sorted out the Swiss and the National Guard with Emperor Toads miniatures. The Perry might be useful for the Garde Francais

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Re: Massacre of the Swiss Guards 1792
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2020, 07:02:50 AM »
Duplicate
« Last Edit: November 14, 2020, 07:28:30 AM by traveller »

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Re: Massacre of the Swiss Guards 1792
« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2020, 11:18:46 PM »
here you can find some other beautiful plates and useful infos on Garde Francaises and G. Suisses...every possible uniform including the Cannoniers (infantry that manned guns attached to the regiment) of both Gardes Francaises and Suisses..probably those gunners that were present at Bastille  and maybe also at Tuilleries ..the last plates are also useful cause they could help to depict the Gentilhommes that also tried to defend the Tuilleries..in my opinion the Front Rank AWI French Infantry and above all the Grenadiers could do for those uniforms

https://lasabretache.fr/fonds-boisselier-5/
« Last Edit: December 07, 2020, 11:23:28 PM by italwars »

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Re: Massacre of the Swiss Guards 1792
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2020, 11:43:31 AM »
Italwars,

many thanks for the link! Would the National Guard cannoniers also have any difference in uniform compared to the fusiliers?

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Re: Massacre of the Swiss Guards 1792
« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2020, 03:05:08 PM »
I think only minors ones..but you can see the plate of a canonier

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Re: Massacre of the Swiss Guards 1792
« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2020, 04:58:16 PM »
I think only minors ones..but you can see the plate of a canonier

Thanks, then I can go with the same style ;)

I just finished reading this book:



It deals mainly with the events on August 10, 1792. Based on the info there my conclusion is that the following forces were present once the fighting started:

Attackers under Alexandre
450 National Guard de Marseille (Federes Marseillais) + 4 guns
200 National Guard de Brest (Federes Brestois)
200 National GUard de Paris Saint-Marcel
The Mob (several thousands)
Gendarmes (unknown number)

Santerre´s 3 battalions (Westerman commander)


500? National Guard de Paris Les Enfants Trouves
500? National Guard de Paris Des Minimes
500? National Guard de Paris Montreuil(not sure which district this is)
The Mob (several thousands)

Defenders
600 Swiss Guard Fusiliers and Grenadiers
200 Grenadiers National Guard de Paris Filles-Saint-Thomas
200 Gentlemen
100 Palace officials and servants

The National Guard de Brest seems to have a different coloured uniform than the regular blue-white:


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Re: Massacre of the Swiss Guards 1792
« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2021, 08:27:14 AM »
The project is starting to take shape. First the unfortunate defenders:

Louis XVI and his charming Austrian wife Marie Antoinette



Their trusted (unarmed) servants:



Their trusted (armed) servants:



Armed staff from the Tuileries


« Last Edit: June 05, 2021, 08:52:13 AM by traveller »

 

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