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Offline Ehpeaell

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Red Army - post civil war, pre-1930s
« on: June 06, 2021, 03:03:43 AM »
Hi there folks, apologies if I'm posting a well trodden question, but my search-fu has failed me...  I'm looking for information on uniforms and organization for the Red Army in the mid to late 20s for some adventures in the back of beyond. I've gotten hooked on some of the Basmachi campaigns in southern Tajikistan in 1928-31, but I can't seem to find anything definitive on what the soviet troops were wearing.  Is it dramatically different from the early 20's and the war with Poland?

Any help or pointers greatly appreciated!

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Re: Red Army - post civil war, pre-1930s
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2021, 03:49:52 AM »
Yes, these are significant differences. During this period, the appearance of the Soviet uniform was closer to the appearance of the period of the Second World War.

What military units do you want to portray (Red Army, GPU (future NKVD), border guards, armored vehicles, police, local militia) and in what period (summer, winter).
« Last Edit: June 06, 2021, 03:54:01 AM by cuprum »

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Re: Red Army - post civil war, pre-1930s
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2021, 04:04:45 AM »
Many thanks!

I'm looking mostly at the border incursions with Afghanistan, so it's pretty much a mix of Red Army Infantry and Cavalry, and some GUPV border troops thrown in for good measure.  Season is mostly either spring or summer from the campaigns I've been reading...I'm not sure when they'd have switched out from winter to summer uniforms in that part of the world...

It's also a question of what's available figure-wise too, I guess.  I was looking at 28mm just to maintain compatibility with the rest of my stuff, but I'd go smaller for sure if figures were available.

Thanks again!

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Re: Red Army - post civil war, pre-1930s
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2021, 04:34:29 AM »
I am busy right now. A little later I will give you the information you are interested in on the uniform. Then we will ask our guys for help with the selection of suitable figures.

For now, here is some information on the uniform of the GPU employees (I will restore the disappeared drawings later):



More details here: http://siberia-miniatures.ru/forum/showthread.php?fid=12&tid=61

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Re: Red Army - post civil war, pre-1930s
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2021, 02:29:03 PM »
That's fantastic, many thanks again!

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Re: Red Army - post civil war, pre-1930s
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2021, 03:05:54 PM »
Red Army:



1. Assistant platoon commander in cotton summer uniform. Infantry.
2. The commander of an artillery battery in woolen winter uniform (without the overcoat).
3. A military doctor in a woolen winter officer's uniform (without an overcoat).
4. Red Army soldier - artilleryman in winter uniform.



5. 5. Summer cotton shirt (for all ranks).
6. Officer's winter cloth jacket.
7. Cloth jacket for lower ranks.
8. Overcoat for all ranks.
9. Summer cap for all ranks.
10. Cloth helmet for all ranks. Cloth star and straps of color according to the type of troops.

Winter pants in the cavalry - blue.

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Re: Red Army - post civil war, pre-1930s
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2021, 03:19:59 PM »


Stripes on the collar according to the type of troops (top - down, left - right):
1. Infantry (crimson with black piping).
2. Cavalry (blue with black piping)
3. Artillery (black with red piping)
4. Technical troops (engineers, sappers, etc.) (black with blue piping)
5. Aviation (light blue with red piping)
6. Administrative and economic staff (dark green with red piping)
Stripes on the collar on the overcoat: infantry, cavalry, artillery.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2021, 03:37:33 PM by cuprum »

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Re: Red Army - post civil war, pre-1930s
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2021, 03:28:34 PM »
Internal troops (OGPU - NKVD):

The uniforms correspond to the army, but the caps have a blue top and a dark red band. The stripes on the collar of the clothes have the same color.



The trousers had a dark red edging. The cap also had a crimson edging along the top seam.

« Last Edit: June 06, 2021, 04:05:17 PM by cuprum »

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Re: Red Army - post civil war, pre-1930s
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2021, 03:42:34 PM »




The uniform of the border guards had a cap with a green top and a dark blue (almost black) band. The buttonholes on the collar are green with crimson piping.

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Re: Red Army - post civil war, pre-1930s
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2021, 03:56:59 PM »
The police could be used as an auxiliary force in the protection of populated areas. Her uniform can be a great decoration for the gaming table.



1. Policeman (mounted police) in summer uniform.
2. Winter shirt and cap of the foot police and the administrative staff of the police.
3. Winter shirt and cap of the mounted police.
4. Summer shirt and cap with the insignia of the foot police.
5 - 6. Collar of foot police clothing.
7 - 8. Collar of the clothes of the mounted police.
9. The color of the trousers of the foot police.
10. The color of the trousers of the mounted police.
11. The cap of the mounted police.
12 - 13. Winter hat of the mounted police.
14. Winter hat for foot police.
15. Blazing the uniform of the foot police.
16. Winter uniform of the mounted police.
17. Policeman in winter uniform (foot police).

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Re: Red Army - post civil war, pre-1930s
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2021, 04:28:40 PM »
By the way, you can equip several OGPU soldiers or border guards with a Thompson submachine gun. In 1924, a batch of these weapons was purchased specifically to combat the Basmachi.




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Re: Red Army - post civil war, pre-1930s
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2021, 08:05:37 PM »
Oh that's all brilliant!  Many many thanks!  Lovely pictures and very clear.  I love the idea of fielding some with Thompsons. So much sleeker than Lewis guns...
The police uniforms would also make a nice addition of colour to the table.  Have to admit I'm tempted to field a "winter" force just to get that sleek black greatcoat and red cap included.

I can't thank you enough for the help!

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Re: Red Army - post civil war, pre-1930s
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2021, 08:12:16 PM »
Amazing resources as always, Cuprum.  :D


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Re: Red Army - post civil war, pre-1930s
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2021, 11:25:45 PM »
Thanks Cuprum! This is great information!
Got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight.

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Re: Red Army - post civil war, pre-1930s
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2021, 11:31:45 PM »
Cuprum,
  You are amazing.

 

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