Of Rust and Men?

[Deathwing]

Greetings all.   

I am currently working on my Fallout project and I was curious of what people thought of my rusting technique.  The basic technique is stolen from White Dwarf 302, which basically consists of priming black, drybrushing on Boltgun Silver, then stippling on Dark Flesh, Vermin Brown, and Blazing Oange (I substitute Macharius Solar Orange), then drybrush silver again on the raised edges.  I also wash with brown and black paint to pull everything together.   I was curious for thoughts.  The structure you see is a rusted version of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WelcomeMD495WWB.jpg

The signs will be added later, but will be rusted less so they can still be read:

Overall

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/azrael2305/P9200160.jpg

Front

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/azrael2305/P9200166.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/azrael2305/P9200162.jpg

Side

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/azrael2305/P9200161.jpg

The bottom piece is the obligatory toxic goo pond holding several barrels.

Overall

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/azrael2305/P9200156.jpg

Close-ups

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/azrael2305/P9200158.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/azrael2305/P9200157.jpg

I would like honest assessments of the technique.  Does it look good?  Did I over do it?  I’m going for medium level of rust.  I also plan to use this technique on the guard rails and cars?  I wanted to get it square away before I used it all over the place!  I appreciate the help.  I apologize for the semi-dark pics. 

Thanks.

Joey

P.S.  As a follow-up question:  does the wood I used for the sign thing too obvious.  I didn’t feel like buying plastic? The project has already over ran the budget. 

[Darkoath]

Overall I think it looks very good.  One thing I didn't care for was the color you have leaking out of the barrels into the water... it looks to be silver... I think I would have gone with a more bright contrasting color like bright yellow or green.  I also find that results are good when using gray instead of silver for the base color and then using the silver only on edges that have been recently rubbed down to the bare metal.

The rust effect looks very good!

Darkoath

[dijit]

If you paint the surface of the water with thin PVA (wood glue) you should get a glossy effect which will help it look more watery. Otherwise it looks pretty good. If you're interested check out the rust painting tutorial on Ramshackle games website too.

[Malebolgia]

For the bridgy thingy I really like the effect. It works very well. On the barrels I think you should make the rust much more brown and orange (especially if they are in the water/muck). You can finish it with some silver on the edges. A bit like this:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_1NH7Ul8OAKg/SBK7GAD2ozI/AAAAAAAAHxc/5SFdD2b0Kqc/P1080775.JPG
http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/air/outdoor_woodsmoke/images/burnbarrelpic.jpg
http://www.greenbang.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/rusty-oil-barrel.jpg

I did this myself on some Fenris Games barrels and it works very well. Start with dark brown, then use Dark Flesh (or P3 Bloodstone) and finally orange. Finish it with some silver streaks here and there. See here for a picture:
http://paintoholic.nl/images/cops.jpg

[Pil]

I quite like the rust effect but I'm not too keen on the metal drybrush. I think it's a bit heavy and to be honest when something is rusted the metal rarely ever shows. What I think would be nice is to have some more old paint showing rather than metal. This can add more colour and still look dilapitated. On my rusty vehicles I used only rust colours (VGC Charred Brown, Citadel Blazing Orange and Citadel Vomit Brown):



I like the look of them on a desert table but I wouldn't want to fill a table with it as it's just too rusty. I still need to find a good way of painting a rusty something with paint showing but I think if you can pull it off too you have a great technique to fill the table with!

There's also lots of inspiration piccies to find online:

[Deathwing]

Alright, maybe I'll try dropping the silver and see what it looks like.  As to the leaking silver, that's just sloppy painting.  The goo will be green I promise. 

Joey

[Darkoath]

I like your rusty barrels Malebolgia!   And I have been a fan of Pil's Post Apoc vehicles for some time now!  Thanks for posting the colors your both use!

Darkoath

[Cosmotiger]

I would say tone down the bright orange.  If you see bright orange rust in real life, it is usually only a small area of the total rusted area.   And I agree with the others about the silver.  Weathered bare metal should be shades of dull gray, not shiny metallic.

[Deathwing]

Malebolgia, what kind of brush action did you use on this barrels?  I like your uneven patterns.  Did you drag the brush, stipple, etc?  I typically stipple heavily. 

Joey

[uti long smile]

Looking good. Excellent pun

[Pil]

I like your rusty barrels Malebolgia!   And I have been a fan of Pil's Post Apoc vehicles for some time now!  Thanks for posting the colors your both use!

Darkoath

In later rusty bits I left out the Charred Brown entirely and just stippled blazing orange and vomit brown (both the old colours now sold by Coat d'arms BTW) over black. I also used this over metal colour on my non-wrecked vehicles. Referring to my piccie the buses are painted with Charred Brown and the car wrecks are painted without. I'm not too pleased with the way the colours on the car wrecks turned out: they're a bit too bright. They were quickies though so I'm not going to alter them.

[Gluteus Maximus]

Joey,

I like the effect you've produced. I don't think the orange is too bright, it looks about right to me.

A long time ago I remember seeing a photo of an old Japanese tank [Chi-Ha, maybe] that someone had found in the jungle years after WWII had finished and it was entirely bright orangey-brown shades. It looked bizarre, but later I saw another pic of an AFV diorama in Military Modelling where the modeller had done a similar thing.

I agree with Pil, you don't often see bright metal and rust together. The only exception I can think of at the moment is well-used railway tracks - silver on top and rusty-brown down the sides. I'd say tone down the brightness of the rust-free metal.

The only other thing I'm not sure about is the rust "leaking" onto the water. It doesn't look right to me and maybe you should just paint the water a mucky brown for a better effect?

Overall you've got an excellent rust effect. Your game should look great when it's all ready 

Ian

[Andy H]

Alright, maybe I'll try dropping the silver and see what it looks like.  As to the leaking silver, that's just sloppy painting.  The goo will be green I promise. 

Joey

I'd only do the silver dry brush where the rust has been worn off to show the metal beneath. The GW tutorial (if its the one I'm thinking of) shows this on a rusty weapon, where some edges would have come into contact with other surfaces. If its a building then its unlikely the rust would be damaged by contact with other objects, so no dry brush is needed.

That's what I reckon anyway!

[Malebolgia]

I did my barrels by spraying them silver and then covering them with dark brown (so yeah, the silver spray was silly ). I then washed it all with a blackish brown. After this dried I stippled and drybrushed the warm orangebrown and the orange parts. After this I used an old brush to add some metal here and there with Boltgun Metal. The foam you find in blisterpacks is even better to get uneven and random results. Simple to do and the end result is nice.
And I can really recommend those barrels by Fenris Games. They're cheap so you can do whole stacks of barrels for not too much money.

[Deathwing]

Thank's all.  I made another go at it last night.  This time I tried the Skank method; mainly using railway paints as semi-washes and rust powders (which I had never really used, but had on hand).  I think this attempt is better.  I'm at work, but I'll post pictures when I get home.

Joey