Epic Scale Medievals or Ancients to be released?

[ulverston]

Hi,
I watched an interview with Mr Stollard of Warlord Games and it was mentioned that a Hail Caesar version of epic may be on the cards... has anyone else read or heard about this? I am considering the 28mm set but having just painted a sprue of the epic Napoleonic Brits I am starting to think that the smaller guys would make more sense.
Any news would be appreciated as I am using all my willpower to hold off buying the 28mm box and as I play solo the smaller guys would be so much quicker...

[fred]

No idea on what Warlord is planning

But there are loads of small scale options in metal, today, for these eras. I’d suggest starting with Pendraken’s 10mm.

[ulverston]

I may take a look at Pendraken if no news comes out soon but then if I spend £60 or so on two of their armies I may as well go for the 28mm plastics... its a bit of a strange position to be in.

Come on Sir Stallard give us a release date.

[fred]

I’m not sure I get the comparison - £60 will get 2-3 boxes of plastics - which will be just a few units for HC. Whereas two Pendraken army packs will give you a lot more units

[TheBlackCrane]

I am sure I read something somewhere - may well have been on here - suggesting there was a plan for Ancients, mentioning Carthaginians. But I can't remember whether that was a planned release or people saying what they'd like to see....

Must admit, if Carthaginians were released I'd probably buy into them.

Metal options like Pendraken look lovely painted up, but every time I have tried to paint Pendraken figures they are just so small (yes, I appreciate that is kind of the point!). The Epic scale ECW just seem that bit larger. Anyway, that is me going off at a tangent to the OP.

[SJWi]

Warlord's Epic are I believe 12-13mm so designed not to fit with much else. If you want this size I suggest you look at Kallistra's ranges which I think are also 12mm

[Elbows]

While they are a 'weird' scale, I've also heard that the lines (despite being 12mm) work well with certain 10mm lines anyway...so there's some hope there.

[FierceKitty]

I am sure I read something somewhere - may well have been on here - suggesting there was a plan for Ancients, mentioning Carthaginians. But I can't remember whether that was a planned release or people saying what they'd like to see....

Must admit, if Carthaginians were released I'd probably buy into them.

Metal options like Pendraken look lovely painted up, but every time I have tried to paint Pendraken figures they are just so small (yes, I appreciate that is kind of the point!). The Epic scale ECW just seem that bit larger. Anyway, that is me going off at a tangent to the OP.

If I can paint them, Helen Keller could probably paint them!

[Easy E]

10-13mm..... poof.... go all out with 6mm!   



There are some people that even do 2-3mm! 

[Norm]

There have been two Ancients match ups rumoured over the past couple of years. One is Rome / carthage and the  other is Rome / barbarian.

Jon Stallard did mention something a couple of years ago about elephants looking great in Epic, so perhaps Carthage will be the one they go for, but it is just guessing and that is the problem with hanging onto every word that falls from the lips of of the Warlord hierarchy.

What we do know is that Epic ancients is coming and that it will likely have a roman army in it …. Which one is the question.

that aside, I think it is more important that you settle the dispute that you are having with yourself as to whether to go  Epic or 28mm - I am not being flippant, I see that as being your critical dilemma and I say this having recently  travelled the same route.

I was happily collecting 28’s, which I like and I diverted to Epic, thinking they would be easier to collect / store etc, but I found that there is so much detail on the figure, that I was painting it all and the investment time in painting was not hugely different to my 28’s when you factor in that you will almost certainly paint more figures / bases / units etc with the Epic.

Part of that is my own fault as I just never seemed to develop or master the technique that is needed to churn the Epic figures out. So since you have been practicing on a sprue, you will have an idea which you prefer painting and since painting is such a big part of what we do - I would let that sway you.

Good luck, don’t do what I did, by buying both, because painting wise it becomes impossible to service both and I just ended up totally unfocused and doing very little painting as I got torn between the two scales.

I am now back in my stride, having sold the Epic and now solely collecting 28’s. That doesn’t mean it is the right or best choice, it was just the right choice for me and my productivity and enthusiasm to paint has returned..

[Ninefingers]

Knowing Warlord, I'm pretty sure they'd go Early Imperial Romans/Barbarians.

[TheBlackCrane]

Knowing Warlord, I'm pretty sure they'd go Early Imperial Romans/Barbarians.

I've never really understood the attraction of Rome vs "Barbarians" (for which generally it seems to be Celts, Gauls, occasionally Dacians or generic Germans).

I guess it is a question if what is commercially most viable, but the Roman Republic had a huge variety of opponents who make attractive opposition armies - Carthage, Hellenistic (especially Pyrrhus), other Italian States, Pontus, etc. etc. To my mind Republican Rome gives much more gaming opportunity. Another tangent. But I suspect an Epic 'Rome vs Barbarians' wouldn't get my money.

[Ray Rivers]

I've never really understood the attraction of Rome vs "Barbarians" (for which generally it seems to be Celts, Gauls, occasionally Dacians or generic Germans).

I guess it is a question if what is commercially most viable, but the Roman Republic had a huge variety of opponents who make attractive opposition armies - Carthage, Hellenistic (especially Pyrrhus), other Italian States, Pontus, etc. etc. To my mind Republican Rome gives much more gaming opportunity. Another tangent. But I suspect an Epic 'Rome vs Barbarians' wouldn't get my money.

Agreed.

Another option would be Greeks vs Greeks.

Republic Rome also makes a lot of sense because it would be easier to make, create or paint generic designs on the shields.

Barbarians would be far more difficult. 

Having said that, Kallistra does Imperial Romans and Barbarians and also Shield Decals.

https://www.kallistra.co.uk/index.php?page=150

[Pattus Magnus]

I agree that the whole Romans vs barbarians thing is a little stale. The range of opponents during the republic is wider (and can include hairy barbarians, if that’s your thing). Republic vs successors would be most like to get my money, but the diverse unit types in a successor army is probably a key reason why it wouldn’t be in a paired armies box release.

[FierceKitty]

It's a combination of those wretched Asterix comics, which don't come within a mile of getting anything right, and Trajan's column. Perhaps if we all sponsored a long-overdue Scipio Africanus' column?