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Offline Pan Marek

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RCW Battle Tactics?
« on: 04 January 2024, 09:59:19 PM »
How did troops actually fight in the RCW?   As an English speaker, I have found little that explains unit tactics.   Skirmish lines?   Mass assaults a la RCW films?   Fire and movement/infiltration like in the Brusilov offensive?   A mix?

Did cavalry ever fight dismounted?   Some of my reading suggests they did, but only very reluctantly.

Anyone have information on this, or sources in English?   I'm already aware of the Pygmy Wars site, but even first hand accounts seem vague.

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Re: RCW Battle Tactics?
« Reply #1 on: 05 January 2024, 09:30:29 PM »
The people commanding in the RCW all knew the methods of WWI and attempted to employ them wherever possible. Unfortunately for them, they often had soldiers that couldn't or wouldn't do that. Often the lack of equipment or ammunition became factors too.

So the better infantry employed moving by bounds, in small units, under the cover of MG fire. That requires training and more NCOs/junior officers than most armies had though, so much of the time less ideal methods were used. Often as not infantry assaulted in thin lines (chains), which might or might not go forward in bounds. For really green troops, letting them lie down would mean that they never go back up again, so wasn't desirable.

A mass attack (not particularly common) would be multiple chains some distance apart one after another.

The infantry attacks in close line is largely a movie thing. Very early in the war, when the Reds had severe morale issues and the Whites had major ammunition issues, it was done a few times.

This is one reason why I don't game RCW at the platoon level -- it's too tricky to replicate the infantry tactics used. By having companies you more or less rise above that, so it is abstracted away by the various morale and shooting factors. But your rules should differ between those attacking by bounds and those taking a more direct approach.

The cavalry dismounting thing is very much dependent on the army and unit. The Red cavalry seems to have been quite happy to dismount -- but then they stressed firepower anyway over steel. The Poles often didn't have to dismount, because they often had attached infantry, but would do it if required at the start of an action -- they tended to stay on horseback otherwise, often to their detriment. The White regulars and Cossacks didn't like fighting on foot very much at all, and didn't have the equipment to do it anyway, as often as not.

In the open plains of Ukraine and south Russia, movement beat firepower generally, so there was little call to dismount (but the inability to storm cities because the cavalry didn't fight on foot was a major strategic issue).

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Re: RCW Battle Tactics?
« Reply #2 on: 05 January 2024, 10:35:12 PM »
Mark-
Great reply, as always.   You've tied together things I've read in bits and pieces in many places.

So, we all know its relatively easy to model an attacking line of infantry.
Do you model infantry using bounds?   If so, how do you do it?   By one unit laying down fire while another moves,
or do you split up units so half fires and the other moves?

Thanks!

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Re: RCW Battle Tactics?
« Reply #3 on: 05 January 2024, 11:04:27 PM »
The Red Actions rules I use have an "evasive" movement. That means the infantry move much slower, but the effect of fire is lower. I consider that to be moving in bounds by platoons or similar. (This is by troop type, so Red Sailors move even more slowly than regulars in evasive move, even though they have high morale and combat factors, due to their lack of training.)

The rules also focus a lot on the suppressive effect of fire, so you can also do it by one company shooting in another. Most decent rules allow that though.

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Re: RCW Battle Tactics?
« Reply #4 on: 06 January 2024, 03:25:32 AM »
This is actually an extremely broad question. In different situations, combat operations could look completely different. For example, the battle on the Kakhovka bridgehead is almost a typical battle of the First World War, with developed trench systems and tank attacks. And the counter battle of the cavalry units of the Red and White armies near the village of Yegorlykskaya (according to various estimates from 24 to 40 thousand soldiers on both sides) is in many ways similar to the battles of the Napoleonic wars - huge masses of cavalry met in battle with cold steel. There are known cases when infantry repelled cavalry attacks by forming in a square...
At the beginning of the war (1918), the enemy troops were still extremely small in number, and the bulk of the fighting took place along the railroad tracks. Detachments of soldiers moved on railway trains and entered into battle when they came into contact. This phenomenon even had its own name - “railroad war”.

Now I will partially translate a small Russian article that talks about instructions for field tactics written by the white general Timanovsky.
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Re: RCW Battle Tactics?
« Reply #5 on: 06 January 2024, 03:48:03 AM »
White general about the tactics and features of the Civil War

The Civil War was very different from the First World War. Tactically, this was expressed in maneuver warfare, in which mounted units and technical means (armored trains, armored cars) began to play a much larger role. Psychologically, the situation changed even more: the military leader now had to fear, for example, the unexpected defection of some of his units to the enemy’s side. Or a surprise attack from the rear by a rebel detachment of local residents.

In addition, the armies of the Civil War were small, fought over vast areas of the former Russian Empire and actually had no rear. A solid front also often did not exist.

However, many white military leaders sought to fight “the old fashioned way,” using the methods of the First World War, which was an unaffordable luxury in those conditions. This is largely why the White Guards, like the Reds, were promoted to leadership positions by young commanders who were not ossified in the patterns of previous wars and who understood the peculiarities of the Civil War.

One of them was Nikolai Stepanovich Timanovsky, from a peasant background, he began serving in the Russian Imperial Army in 1902 as a volunteer. Participant in the Russian-Japanese, World War I and Civil Wars. He was wounded several times, personally went into bayonet attacks, received many orders, and was awarded an honorary weapon.

The rank of Lieutenant General N.S. Timanovsky received it already in the White Army, in the summer of 1919. He became the commander of General Markov's Officer Division (one of the elite white units in the South of Russia - the Markovites). But at the end of 1919, Nikolai Stepanovich died of typhus. He was thirty-four years old.

Not long ago, researchers R.G. Gagkuev and S.G. Shilova published the “instructions” of this young white military leader to his troops. In it, Timanovsky talked about the peculiarities of military operations during the Russian Civil War.

Timanovsky was a supporter of offensive actions, even if the enemy has superiority in numbers. You cannot sit on the defensive, otherwise you will be overwhelmed by numbers or the enemies will find a weak spot in the position you hold. Moreover, the Whites did not have enough strength to create numerous units that could hold a wide continuous front. Timanovsky attached great importance to the fighting spirit of the army, which, in his opinion, often decided the outcome of the battle.

“The best way to achieve the goal in war, that is, victory, is offensive actions, forcing the enemy to do what we want, and not vice versa...” (c) N. S. Timanovsky.

Timanovsky attached particular importance to reconnaissance and discipline. Communication between small units must be maintained by all means, preventing unexpected partisan raids. Moreover, intelligence can be trusted only to “reliable people” from among officers and volunteers, and not soldiers mobilized or recruited from captured Red Army soldiers. Panic, in his opinion, must be suppressed by the most severe measures, up to and including shooting the cowards on the spot, without trial.

When occupying populated areas, it is necessary to take away weapons from the local population, again, without stopping before executions. In general, this document can greatly “sober up” people with “lofty” ideas about any of the sides of the Civil War. Both the Reds and the Whites sought to preserve their armed forces using the most severe measures, not stopping at “mutual responsibility” and mass executions.
“In view of the unreliability of mobilized and former Red Army soldiers arriving for replenishment, it is necessary immediately upon their arrival to write down their addresses, warning that for escaping to the Bolsheviks not only their families will be subjected to severe punishment, but a corresponding number of people from among their comrades will be shot... "(c) N. S. Timanovsky.

Timanovsky’s remarks on the topic of “night rest” are also interesting: only soldiers from “officer companies” can be posted as guards, but not mobilized peasants and not captured Red Army soldiers. “Disarm” populated areas, but do not rob civilians.

If we talk about tactics, Timanovsky proposed the following:

Distract the enemy with small forces on the main sector of the front (it is advisable to support them with machine guns and artillery), at the same time collect a shock “fist” and hit the enemy with it in “unprotected places.” Along the flanks, rear, command height, and so on.

It is advisable, in the event of a successful attack, to organize an effective pursuit by cavalry, to capture as many prisoners as possible (this is both a replenishment for one’s own army and a loss for someone else’s).

The infantry should move quickly, in thin chains; it is advisable to have veterans and officers in the last chain who will support the attack or stop the fleeing.

Infantrymen should conserve their ammo. Also, the white general Timanovsky talks about the need to have tachankas. Artillerymen must act “in conjunction” with the infantry and pay attention to the fight against armored trains and other enemy equipment, hitting primarily important targets.

“Cavalry: must be the most active. In a real war, there is complete room for maneuver... Massive horse attacks have found their place on the battlefield. The actions of the cavalry of Generals Shkuro and Baron Wrangel are known to everyone...” (c) N. S. Timanovsky.

For Timanovsky, the main branch of the military remains the infantry, which must be competently supported by artillerymen, cavalrymen, and technical units (armored trains, tanks, aviation, armored vehicles). Tanks for N. S. Timanovsky are, first of all, an effective psychological weapon.

In general, Timanovsky’s instructions are quite competent, corresponding to the realities of the Civil War. It is clear that the white general created the contents of the instructions based on his own experience.

Here is a link to Timanovsky’s instructions itself. Naturally, it is written in Russian:



https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/instruktsiya-belogo-generala-n-s-timanovskogo-ob-osobennostyah-vedeniya-boevyh-deystviy-v-grazhdanskuyu-voynu

The instructions indicate the recommended structure of units (company, battalion, regiment). Recommendations for managing divisions and units. Recommendations for marching and combat.
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Offline Pan Marek

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Re: RCW Battle Tactics?
« Reply #6 on: 06 January 2024, 09:50:00 PM »
Thank you gentlemen!

As always, when it comes to all things RCW, one need only ask to get informed answers.

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Re: RCW Battle Tactics?
« Reply #7 on: 09 January 2024, 09:11:54 PM »
Fascinating thread

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Re: RCW Battle Tactics?
« Reply #8 on: 10 January 2024, 01:20:52 AM »
I shall get round to putting Cuprum's link into English in the next couple of months hopefully.

I just have to finish a book on the Battle of Radzymin first.

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Re: RCW Battle Tactics?
« Reply #9 on: 11 January 2024, 09:15:44 PM »
Mark-

Spaciba!   As for your book, do you have an idea when you'll be done?
It would be great to read something more detailed about the Polish-Soviet
war in English.

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Re: RCW Battle Tactics?
« Reply #10 on: 11 January 2024, 10:00:19 PM »
I'm hoping in about two months. I've just started my second pass through now, but it is 400 pages in A4, so there's a lot to check.

Unfortunately real life bites in a month from now, so that will be a bit of a determining factor.

I have another, smaller, article that I may put up before then though.

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Re: RCW Battle Tactics?
« Reply #11 on: 19 January 2024, 11:02:52 PM »
Thank you for this remarkable thread.  What a treasure.  I am grateful to you Cuprum for taking the time and having the patience with us neophytes (especially me).  I look forward to the day when a scenario book becomes available of various battles of the Russian Civil War.

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Re: RCW Battle Tactics?
« Reply #12 on: 20 January 2024, 09:51:54 AM »
Fabulous thank you Cuprum, Mark I am re-launching my Russo-Polish War project this year so that book sounds fabulous please keep us posted.
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Re: RCW Battle Tactics?
« Reply #13 on: 25 January 2024, 12:26:26 PM »
Yes great stuff indeed.  I have a small project that will very much benefit from this thread.

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Re: RCW Battle Tactics?
« Reply #14 on: 28 January 2024, 09:49:21 PM »
There are known cases when infantry repelled cavalry attacks by forming in a square...

I'd love to hear more about these instances if you're able to share, Cuprum. I assume they'd fly in the face of the contemporary infantry regulations, but it's very interesting to hear about them.

 

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