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Offline italwars

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Wargames Atlantic and Eskice 3D minis sizes
« on: September 23, 2024, 03:13:35 PM »
Hello
i'm totally new to 3D stuff but i was able to find somebody that'll print for me historical miniatures from those above mentioned manufactures so i'm now in position to buy some files even if i never saw in my life a printer ;)..the files are, from what i read, in 28mm which is OK for me even if i'll also buy something to print in 1/72..i don't think it ll be an issue for the guy who ll do the job for me...
my question is, if somebody had any experience with WA and Eskice, which type of 28mm are the files/subjects they offer? large 28mm such as Redoubt, Perry ecc...or average size ones such as Old Glory or Foundry?..so i can guide accordingly the person that'll actually print the stuff for me..in fact i'll  need, for example, as concerns Colonial or 19c. types, something compatible with my metal armies mainly composed of Old Glory or Foundry castings..
thanks for your eventual help

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Re: Wargames Atlantic and Eskice 3D minis sizes
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2024, 03:35:48 PM »
I have no idea on how the STL's you mention will compare to existing plastic or metal lines. But having printed my share of miniatures, I have found that even when theoretically knowing you need to reduce size by 17% to be a perfect match (for example), there might still be some trial and error required to get to the right scale/size.

So if I were you, I'd go for the files I want, have them printed and then compare them to the minis they're going to have to stand next to. And make adjustments from there :)
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Re: Wargames Atlantic and Eskice 3D minis sizes
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2024, 02:53:13 PM »
 I had some  Eskice 3d WW2 French Mountain troops printed from a chap on eBay and they were a little small, literally 28mm to top of head, which I rate at 1/64 scale.
A lot of these 3d printer companies are not wargamers themselves, so they genuinely don't understand that "28mm" actually means 30mm or 31mm. They are usually happy to tweak and resize for you. Best way is to pick one company and  prepared to use a little money  to work with him till he gets to exactly what you want.
Once you get there the price point for such figures is excellent, I have found.
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Offline italwars

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Re: Wargames Atlantic and Eskice 3D minis sizes
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2024, 10:31:44 AM »
Thanks to both of you for the kind replies and suggestions.
Vodkafan, you're true about the existence of that  sort of comunication barrier between printers/designer/artists  and,maybe, too much demanding wargamers like me  lol..
Being  almost impossible to find an honest or, at least,   reliable printer in my country (as everything else connected to comission works) i found a lady printer in France but, despite her good will, affordable prices and quality of printing,   to let her be aware of "the supposed to be" scales or, better, sizes, related to wargame miniatures and to do it trough whattasp, has been, so far, a real issue.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2024, 10:38:26 AM by italwars »

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Re: Wargames Atlantic and Eskice 3D minis sizes
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2024, 10:43:14 AM »
One way might be to send a comparison pic of one she has printed for you next to a figure you want to match with, both next to a ruler so she can see the physical difference. I am in the middle of that process with my chosen printer guy. I do recommend just buying a few just off the bat to see what she comes up with initially, it also reassures that you are serious.
It doesn't help that I want slightly different sized things for different projects too.

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Re: Wargames Atlantic and Eskice 3D minis sizes
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2024, 11:40:14 AM »
One way might be to send a comparison pic of one she has printed for you next to a figure you want to match with, both next to a ruler so she can see the physical difference. I am in the middle of that process with my chosen printer guy. I do recommend just buying a few just off the bat to see what she comes up with initially, it also reassures that you are serious.
It doesn't help that I want slightly different sized things for different projects too.
ahahha...we are exactly in the same boat...she probably considered me a mad when i tell her that she must measure minis from eyes to feet, possibly excluding the base  :'( :'(
anyway i'll follow your suggestions and have  already proposed her to  buy some "sample prints".
As you already experimented the problems arose with different projects..just an example..from my Eskice 3D files i'll need some French  méharistes printed in 28mm which , in fact, are not 28mm and should be smaller, cause i'll use them together with my metal French Foreign Legion castings, circa 1900, from Old Glory , which are "small " 28mm. Furthemore , from that same file, i'll need again some French méharistes but , in that case, in 1/72 cause i'll convert them, once printed, adding weapons ecc,  in WW2 Italian Sahariani ;)..and, finally, to complicate things, my other Wargame Atlantic file of Jews warriors whould be printed in 1/72 as to buit up an army to face my Imperial  Romans ..but in that very case, they  should be printed in  "small" 1/72 cause my Romans are old Airfix ones..finally , i ve noticed , once printed, that some figures, even in the same set,  are not, in any case , the same size , even if labelled 28mm (for ex. Méharistes Eskice) ....and all that should be explained , in French, without using too much "tecnical" therms,  to a person that, obviously, has no idea of the insane menthality of us wargamers  :D

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Re: Wargames Atlantic and Eskice 3D minis sizes
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2024, 08:12:58 PM »
I’d suggest asking for a few sample prints.

Work out what the expected percentage difference is between the 3d stl files and the figures you want (say 85%), then ask for a sample figure printed at 75, 80, 85 and 90%

Which should give you something to compare against. As well as height, bulk does matter - and whilst you can scale 3d models in different planes - that will be even harder to determine remotely!

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Re: Wargames Atlantic and Eskice 3D minis sizes
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2024, 10:10:43 PM »
Can't speak to human figures, but I ordered an Eskice 28mm print of a US M8 armoured car from an eBay seller today and asked for dimensions before doing so. He came back very quickly with measurements that are within 1mm each way of the Rubicon M8.

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Re: Wargames Atlantic and Eskice 3D minis sizes
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2024, 11:13:36 PM »
Again thanks to everybody for  all those useful suggestions..i'm totally new to 3D printed figures and my skills with IT related to 3D could  be compared to that of "The Fiinstones"  :D
Mark..as concern AFVs and vehicles is far more easy to obtain, as i did, scale wise accurated prints from third party printers, even guiding them  remotly ..usually wikipedia measures of the real thing are reliable and , in any case, there are some useful on line tools like this one:
https://www.scale-models.nl/scalc.html
scaled human beings with the pletoria of existing model soldiers manufactures, each one with his own idea of real or "supposed to be" scale is another matter.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2024, 11:17:58 PM by italwars »

 

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