GZG Lunar 18mm minis

[Rick]

Well, fingers crossed it's that straightforward in practice.

[Cat]

My packages go through customs in NY before they're handed over to the USPS.  Once the package hits the Boston USPS Distribution Center, then it might get forwarded to my city 15 miles away.  But there's always a chance someone will blow a whistle and the game of sports parcel is on — could get punted anywhere in eastern Mass or even up to Nashua NH, and then the popcorn sales ratchet up as all the fans are on the edge of the seats wondering where the volley will go next.
=^,^=
 
Tariffs will get handled first through Customs.  Odds are good that won't run smoothly, but it will be a separate layer of chaos.

[zrunelord]

No! Please don't conflate space weaponry with surface weaponry, even if they both work in a vacuum.

Rick, I was explaining that solid shot ( not the guns ), as in the before mentioned gyrojets, are another possibility, as in the Expanse.

Z

[Rick]

Rick, I was explaining that solid shot ( not the guns ), as in the before mentioned gyrojets, are another possibility, as in the Expanse.

Z

Yes, I got that - the idea of multiple solid shot fired into a ships path is a common idea and relies on the velocity of the firer, plus the velocity of the propellant and the velocity of the target to achieve hull penetration and damage. Against space suits on the moon, high velocity flechettes might work a lot better.

[zrunelord]

Indeed,
Which is why I said.

"Simple spring loaded darts ( as in a ballista ) are also a possibility if a fast loading system is invented. Imagine the damage this simple device can do to a paper thin Lunar Lander !!!!"

Cheap to make also.
Z

[Rick]

Indeed,
Which is why I said.

"Simple spring loaded darts ( as in a ballista ) are also a possibility if a fast loading system is invented. Imagine the damage this simple device can do to a paper thin Lunar Lander !!!!"

Cheap to make also.
Z

High velocity flechettes? Did you read the high velocity part? I don't think a 'simple spring loaded' dart, even the size of a ballista bolt, would penetrate a space suit reinforced with something like kevlar, let alone a 2040's lunar lander (a 1960's one, perhaps, but not in anywhere vital).
A rubber band could propel a projectile a fair distance on the moon, Alan Shepherd's golf ball, despite an impovised club and clumsy one-handed swing, travelled 40 yards. Distance is easy to achieve but you need a big enough velocity to penetrate something once it gets there.

[Cat]

'Simple spring loaded' can still bring a lot of velocity into action.
 
I have a .22cal, break action, spring loaded air rifle.  If I were to splurge on the platinum-coated pellets, their muzzle velocity is supersonic and makes a crack like a bullet.

[Rick]

'Simple spring loaded' can still bring a lot of velocity into action.
 
I have a .22cal, break action, spring loaded air rifle.  If I were to splurge on the platinum-coated pellets, their muzzle velocity is supersonic and makes a crack like a bullet.

Air? 
Sorry, but the spring is there to compress the air into the chamber, it doesn't actually launch the projectile - you're talking about a compressed gas rifle, which is fine, but not a spring powered ballista bolt.
On the other hand, fire it at a kevlar reinforced spacesuit, if you wouldn't mind, then tell me what the penetration is like?

[Cat]

Small pointy things will penetrate kevlar, at least the front side, but not likely to come out the back... 

Non-penetrating impacts can still crush tissue and more on the inside. 

High velocity ammo is not going to lose a lot of velocity in transit on the moon.

[Rick]

Some years ago my brother had some 0.22 sabot rounds for his air rifle - 3 pronged plastic sabot with a thin steel penetrator - very accurate and good for killing rats with. Not something, however, I'd care to be armed with in a shooting war. Especially on the moon where you specifically want penetrating impacts - even if you miss the person, you've holed their suit, which will need to have a fix; enough holes and you never really need to hit the person to take them out of action.

[anevilgiraffe]

is the kevlar inside or outside of the vital airtight bit... if you can pierce that, even slightly, you've a problem

[Rick]

From what I understand the existing NASA spacesuits have a multilayer sandwich of materials so, presumably, it's in that. Looking at the figures, most of them also have some exterior reinforcing as well.
But yes, it changes the nature of combat when you're inside an airtight suit that is likely to get pierced - suit integrity becomes a very important factor.

[zrunelord]

Rick,

Modified this post & posted to the "  Moon wargaming - some thoughts " thread to keep things tidy.

Z

[Rick]

Actually that's a very good point - I think this page and some of page 2 should be moved across to the moon wargaming thread?
Now if I can just attract the attention of a kind mod who would do that for us! 

[Rick]

Going back to the GZG mini's, in addition to the figures in the Moongrunt range, there are also some useful looking packs in the civilians and colonists range - a couple of packs in heavy suits that might work as another faction and several packs in light vacc suits that could work for civilians. Just thought I'd mention it.