WHFB 8

[Spong]

I think the issue there is many people feel GW can do whatever they want and enough people will lap it up to keep them afloat one way or another - they can do no wrong. Good business perhaps but this is not a situation in which original creativity or a genuinely thoughtful approach can thrive. Its exactly the same for the computer games industry.

Basically, like a spoiled child they both need to grow up a bit but as long as they're making money by not doing so they never will.

[wolfgangbrooks]

Spong: "Actually I would argue the reason they started losing so much money was insisting on opening a store in every single backwater town across the globe."

Ahem, I've lived in three states in the US, near their largest population centers and have never been within a days drive of one. I've only ever seen GW stores in large metropolitan areas and in larger English towns. I hardly think opening stores near lonely cattle trails is part of their marketing plan.

Doomsdave: "That War of the Ring ruleset looked like they were warhammerizing LOTR.  I think LOTR was their best game.  Then they put it on steroids to sell more figs"

Actually I think it had at least as much to do with people asking for a larger scale game to do the big battles from the movies and books. Giving the people what they want and selling more stuff at the same time? What a concept!

It's the same with their Armageddon rules for 40k and maybe even in the new edition of Fantasy. Most gamers tend to want tons of crap on the table whether it really makes a better game or not.

I like what I've heard about 8th edition so far, then again I've been seriously thinking about adapting Black Powder to ancient/fantasy games. The fact that stats aren't attached in any meaningful way to unit sizes can be a useful thing in the wrong hands.

[rob_the_robgoblin]

Actually mate, I thought LOTR was their worst set of rules.
WOTR, I have no played, but is just simplified warmaster I have heard. Not necessarily a bad thing when you have collected as many LOTR figs as me!
Apocalypse, they also state, is for multiple player games or use of WHOLE collections with WHATEVER they own. It is a game by veterans for veterans with more stuff than necessary! I.e. the last game I played, I used 5 shokk attack guns, only 1 was new, the other 4 are all the old one! I would never use the old ones normally, but hey, it was good fun! So was fielding 100 of those facking terrible old plastic grots!!!! 

If they do a warhammer version, I would be happy as I could play it with my friends on my side. I don't really like games of warhammer over 1000 points when it is just 1 vs 1, I like 4 players or something. Even when I play Slaughterloo, I don't like moving too much around on my own. 

[joroas]

Spong: "Actually I would argue the reason they started losing so much money was insisting on opening a store in every single backwater town across the globe."

Ahem, I've lived in three states in the US, near their largest population centers and have never been within a days drive of one. I've only ever seen GW stores in large metropolitan areas and in larger English towns. I hardly think opening stores near lonely cattle trails is part of their marketing plan.

I have 2 stores within 5 miles of here, and at least 10 within 50...................

[joroas]

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[rob_the_robgoblin]

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[Doomsdave]

While I'm currently keeping myself a barge pole distance away from anything GWish too, isn't this a bit of a "darned if you do" argument (with the usual "fanboi" decoration on top)? The most common sentiment seems to be that everything was better back then. Now if something from that golden age is reintroduced, that is evil too. Not so simple to please some people? 

Could be.  I'm not your typical GW hater.  I just don't see a lot of value in many of their revisions. I don't mind if anyone else does.  I don't think the earlier editions were the holy grail.  I just think they are revisiting a lot of older concepts to appear to be doing something different.  What put me off about them was the seemingly inordinate price increases, coupled with their shutdown of all the stores and events in the Southeastern US.  It's easier and more cost effective for me to do other systems/minis.  As my entire family (wife + 3 sons) paints and games we tend to invest a lot in our hobby and we get more bang for our buck elsewhere now.  To each his own.  The hobby market obviously has a place for GW and more power to them. I'll just take my custom elsewhere in most cases.

[Thantsants]

Well said - I too don't hate GW either - just have a rose-tinted view of the stuff that was around when I were a lad!

Also I'm poor! 

[wolfgangbrooks]

rob_alderman "WOTR, I have no played, but is just simplified warmaster I have heard."

It's not. I have the book, but don't remember the rules too well. However, it doesn't resemble warmaster in any way, shape, or form. It also doesn't resemble it's parent rules either...

joroas "I have 2 stores within 5 miles of here, and at least 10 within 50...."

So would I if I lived nearer Chicago. I'm willing to bet you live in or very near a highly populated area.

[Delaney]

Get off the merry go round- its spinning too fast and shaking the change out of your pockets.

[rob_the_robgoblin]

joroas "I have 2 stores within 5 miles of here, and at least 10 within 50...."

So would I if I lived nearer Chicago. I'm willing to bet you live in or very near a highly populated area.

No, just check out how many stores there are in the UK.

For example, I live in Kenilworth, 8 miles or so from Coventry (store), 5 Miles from Leamington (store), 20 miles from Birmingham (store), 25 miles from Solihull (store)... Then there's Nuneaton, Stratford-Upon-Avon, A stockist in Warwick, there used to be a stockist in Kenilworth.... A bit further out you have Sutton Coldfield, Dudley, A stockist in Banbury and the Oxford store.

I have no problem with that as well. They close stores if they don't succeed. Most of Britain is quite highly populated. You go to the south, you have London, the midlands, Birmingham or Nottingham, the North, Leeds, Sheffield, Manchester.


I reckon some of you guys might be moaning just for moanings sake. Sure, you may have an argument, but what's it gonna do?

[joroas]

joroas "I have 2 stores within 5 miles of here, and at least 10 within 50...."

So would I if I lived nearer Chicago. I'm willing to bet you live in or very near a highly populated area.

Most of the UK is within 50 miles of a main town, I live in a town of 100,000, the next city, also 100,000 and 5 miles away, has one too.  The nearest cities also have one in town and one in a nearby mall.  Most biggish towns, let alone cities, have a store.............

[rob_the_robgoblin]

As I said! 

Nothing to moan about though, of course.

[white knight]

That's the UK. there can't be more than a handful of them in Belgium (and for a really long time, there was only one).

[rob_the_robgoblin]

Aye I know, I was pointing out that their expansion is a good thing. Someone was saying it was a bad way for them to spend their money. I don't think that at all.