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Offline ErikB

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Sikhs and Britain
« on: November 30, 2010, 06:17:35 PM »
I just met several neighbors who are Sikhs.  I was wondering if someone can tell me a bit about their history with the British.

I know they fought with the Brits in both World Wars and earned quite a bit of respect.  They are also known (at least here in California) as being rather remarkable doctors. 

I am looking for two kinds of answers:
1) History for gaming (because it is, quite simply, fascinating), and
2) A sense of the relationships between the Brits and Sikhs over the past few centuries so I can learn enough to have meaningful conversations with my neighbors - and, importantly, to know enough to respect how they may feel about various events ranging from the World Wars to the Indian Mutiny to how Sikhs relate with Hindus, Muslims, Jainists, Christians, and Europeans in general.

Thanks a bunch.

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Re: Sikhs and Britain
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2010, 06:26:17 PM »
Originally pacifists, when their fifth guru was murdered by muslim moghuls they took up arms, and carrying a blade is one of the basic five tenants of their faith.

Fought against the Brits, like the Gurkhas.

Hired by Brits afterwards.. like the Gurkhas.

Loyal to Brits in Indian mutiny.

1/20 of population of British India, (IIRC)

1/3 of Indian volunteers who fought for Brits during WW1

1/4 of Indian troops who fought for commonwealth in WW2

Sikhism is seen as a persecuted faith in India, and a hard one to follow because of it.

A baptised Sikh in theory should be vegetarian, and not smoke or drink. So seen as reliable by British army.

Last Sikh who flew with RAF in battle of Britain only died a month or so ago.

But like many things it may be personal choice and feeling rather than culture just like everyone else.


http://www.sikhs.org/topics.htm


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Re: Sikhs and Britain
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2010, 06:30:51 PM »
Great summary Bungle  :)

I've worked with a couple of Sikhs over the years - splendid fellows.

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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2010, 06:33:10 PM »
Well, historically you'll want to start with the Anglo-Sikh wars between 1845 and 1849 (there were two). In a nutshell we annexed their country/territory and incorporated them into the Empire (it's what we did at the time). After which we took the time to get to know them a bit and discovered that they weren't that different to us in their opinions etc and were very proud of their military heritage and honour. As such they were incorporated into the Army almost immediately and served with distinction from that point on. In fact the British Army has a specific Sikh recruitment campaign to this day.

The Sihks are also probably the most accepted ethnic group in the UK.

I'll have a look for the title later but there was a recent short BBC documentory on the Sikhs recently which was rather good. I'd expect you can download it as a torrent or such.
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Re: Sikhs and Britain
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2010, 07:57:08 PM »
The Sikhs are also probably the most accepted ethnic group in the UK.

Yes, I'd agree with that, although Sikhism is of course a religion, rather than an ethnic group.

We treated the Sikh Empire pretty badly, really. Their last Maharaja was taken from India and lived out most of the rest of his life in Britain as a typical upper-class gentleman. Reputed to be one of the best shots in the country, apparently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalip_Singh_Sukerchakia

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Re: Sikhs and Britain
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2010, 09:15:53 PM »
I recommend Flashman and The Mountain of Light for more info  ;)

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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2010, 10:18:32 PM »
I recommend Flashman and The Mountain of Light for more info  ;)

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Absolutely. The definitive source book - a brilliant work of comic fiction which will teach you more about the history of the Sikh Wars and surrounding episodes than any number of history text books  :)

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Re: Sikhs and Britain
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2010, 11:02:38 PM »
Yes, I'd agree with that, although Sikhism is of course a religion, rather than an ethnic group.

You mean rather than a 'racial' group, an ethnic group shares the same beliefs and customs irrespective of race, i.e. Arab is a race, while Moslem is a (multi-)ethnic group.  ;)

Sikhs are a very interesting group, I had the pleasure of knowing a few where I was brought up. With no offence intended either way, they are probably the one Eastern religion which comes closest to the traditional 'christian' beliefs of; equality of mankind (they reject the caste system), universal brotherhood and the belief in a single deity. They have five 'mortal sins'; lust, anger, greed, attachment to possessions and conceit. They value truth, equality, freedom and justice. They believe in Karma, but they aspire to avoid the reincarnation cycle via a union with God. Seva, the concept of 'service' often prompts individuals towards voluntary work as an adjunct to their normal working life, or at its simplest will involve helping a neighbour, or performing a kindness for them.

You might find that they will pop round with the odd meal or sweets etc, especially when a religious date approaches. Usually these will be vegetarian, so they can offer the same things to all of their neighbours/work colleagues without contravening anyone's dietary restrictions. If you go round to their home at any time, they will usually offer a lot of food - it would be polite to eat some, but not gorge yourself silly, particularly as they will keep bringing it if you eat what they've already brought out. The polite thing to do is to eat some and declare yourself full, everybody will be happy with that.        

Obviously this doesn't hold true for all Sikhs as some are more westernised than others and have adopted the lifestyles of their host country. So you might get Sikhs that smoke or drink, cut their hair and not all of them wear the Turban. For those that do, the hair and Turban are sacred and great offence can be caused if they are touched, or some wise-ass tries to knock it off. They will also refuse point-blank to remove it if requested. Although carrying the Kurpan (dagger) is obligatory, many Sikhs often carry a symbolic one in the form of a small broach.

The usual mistake people make is to call the woman of the house Mrs Singh, she should be addressed as Mrs Kaur, unless she has been introduced as Mrs Singh (some Sikhs adopt the western tradition of sharing the same name when married). Female children will also be called Kaur (Kaur is also used in some male names in addition to Singh). Having said that, most Sikhs are easy-going about this, but you'll get plus points for getting it right. I'm not sure why they do this, but I suspect that as women have equal rights to men within the religion, it's to affirm that marriage is a joining and not one person becoming the property of, or subservient to, another. Though like most marriages, women wear the trousers in the home anyway.  ;)

Showing an interest in their beliefs will be greeted warmly, so if you're curious, just ask.  :)
« Last Edit: November 30, 2010, 11:16:39 PM by Jim Hale »

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Re: Sikhs and Britain
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2010, 11:26:11 PM »
I knew a Sikh lady who called herself neither Singh nor Kaur, but Mrs. Panesar. Quite a formidable woman if you got on her wrong side. Not one to suffer foolish drunken Colonial Adventures Moderators staggering past her house singing loudly at Two O'Clock in the morning gladly. Though it must be said that any intervention she might have made in this (entirely hypothetical) situation was apt to raise the decibel level, turn the air bluer, and probably wake more people up than his singing would have.

While Sikhism is indeed a religion rather than a race, I think you'll find that most Sikhs are Punjabis. And though you talk of "Sikhs and Brits", don't forget that somewhere between 300,000 and 750,000 (depending on what statistics you believe) Sikhs are Brits.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2010, 11:29:35 PM by Plynkes »
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Re: Sikhs and Britain
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2010, 11:38:05 PM »

A baptised Sikh in theory should be vegetarian, and not smoke or drink. So seen as reliable by British army.


I used to know a couple that did the last two quite frequently  :D (and probably not the first one  lol )

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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2010, 11:39:13 PM »
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Re: Sikhs and Britain
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2010, 08:49:15 AM »
Here's a link to the program info I mentioned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00vys5t

It's only 30mins long so won't tell you everything but I thought it was rather interesting.

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Re: Sikhs and Britain
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2010, 10:49:40 AM »
Very nice summing up guys.  8)

I'd just add:

The Sikh kingdom (Punjab) and religion date back to the 17th century.  Espoused religious tolerance (and still do), very dignified and soldierly. They had a very professional army in the Khalsa trained after European lines under European instructors (many French exiles) by the time of the 1st Sikh War. After the EIC annexed Sinde and Gwalior in the early 1840s, bringing their territory to the Sutlej, the Sikhs crossed the river and one of the most fascinating C19th colonial wars ensued. Honourably defeated in both wars, the Punjab came directly under British influence. Loyal and prominent in their bravery and dilligence throughout the Great Mutiny, Sikh and other Punjabi units were among the most highly rated in the Indian Army formed in the wake of the mutiny and replacing the armies of the 3 presidencies of the EIC. Sikhs fought nobly alongside Tommy Atkins and Johnny Gurkha in every notable campaign for the next hundred years.

They are dignified, brave, stolid, reliable and have a natural soldierly bearing - no wonder they get along so well with of us British  lol


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Re: Sikhs and Britain
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2010, 11:15:17 AM »
They are dignified, brave, stolid, reliable and have a natural soldierly bearing - no wonder they get along so well with of us British  lol

You know you can get yourself into a bit of bother if you swallow wholesale all that "martial races" tosh that the Raj brainwashed itself and its subjects with for 100 years. The Pakistanis convinced themselves that a Punjabi, a Pashtun or a Baluchi was worth ten weak and timid Hindus, because the Brits had told them it was so. They found to their cost that a weak and timid Hindu with a PIAT and some guts behind it brews up a Sherman just as well as anyone else, and the Martial Races theory was left bleeding in the dust of Rajasthan and the mud of Bengal.  :)

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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2010, 11:23:37 AM »
You know you can get yourself into a bit of bother if you swallow wholesale all that "martial races" tosh that the Raj brainwashed itself and its subjects with for 100 years. The Pakistanis convinced themselves that a Punjabi, a Pashtun or a Baluchi was worth ten weak and timid Hindus, because the Brits had told them it was so. They found to their cost that a weak and timid Hindu with a PIAT and some guts behind it brews up a Sherman just as well as anyone else, and the Martial Races theory was left bleeding in the dust of Rajasthan and the mud of Bengal.  :)

Well said.

 

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