Any interest in seeing this in 28mm?

[supervike]

That is a serious wedgie.

[NewEvolutionGames]

Supervike, I see it as more of a skintight body suit than a thong. Still probably wedgy-rific.

Yes, CyberSlums is a miniature game that I have been kicking around for about a year or so now, maybe a little longer. It's a Fantasy world of my creation all grown up. Cybernetics, Magic, Elves, Dwarves, Ogres, Halfling, Orcs. Dwarf Swat teams square off against Elvish bikers on Cyberbikes. Orc Cops try and take down the Elvish Yakuza. Street Knights, L33ts(hackers), Halflling operatives form Slummer crews and battle it out on missions serving Corporate interests.

Tobias was probably one of my most prolific playtester emailing me once a week or so to let me know differing scenarios that had come up and how they handled it. Tobias: I'll get the newest set of rules tweaked in the next week or two and send them your way.

One again, thanks all for the comments.

Rob

[tnjrp]

Yes, CyberSlums is a miniature game that I have been kicking around for about a year or so now, maybe a little longer. It's a Fantasy world of my creation all grown up. Cybernetics, Magic, Elves, Dwarves, Ogres, Halfling, Orcs. Dwarf Swat teams square off against Elvish bikers on Cyberbikes. Orc Cops try and take down the Elvish Yakuza. Street Knights, L33ts(hackers), Halflling operatives form Slummer crews and battle it out on missions serving Corporate interests

I'm sorry but I have to say "meh" to that. Never been at all keen on the Shadowrun idea, and what with >a Steampunk version of the same concept< just recently out this is seems like crowding a niche... IMHO, of course.

Doesn't matter much tho if you can produce some really k00l miniatures for it -- I can use them for other games after all.

[TheMightyFlip]

Can never have enough cyborgs. I'd buy her depending on price.

[dijit]

I'm sorry but I have to say "meh" to that. Never been at all keen on the Shadowrun idea, and what with >a Steampunk version of the same concept< just recently out this is seems like crowding a niche... IMHO, of course.

Doesn't matter much tho if you can produce some really k00l miniatures for it -- I can use them for other games after all.

I have to agree.

Plus please don't use racism as the reason for confrontation. It's been used, abused and thoroughly worn out. If orcs are the cops and Dwarves are the SWAT, surely they must be on the same side? What is it that makes all elves in to criminal gangers and all orcs want to grow up to be cops? If you're going down the fantasy/sci-fi route, do something different and mix the races up a bit. Now if you did that, then I'd be much more interested.

[NewEvolutionGames]

I hadn't seen that there was a Steampunk Shadowrun coming out. I truck along in my own little world most of the time and can't keep up with all the new stuff coming out. Mine definitely sticks to the Dark Future Fantasy with the only Steampunk type elements being the Gnome inventors.

Racism is not the focus of my world creation. Elves are mostly criminals because they were the reason behind the "Great Burning" when they allied themselves with the Dragons from the North. The great Elven Shogunate was caste out by the rest of the races and now they live in shame. Some are trying to redeem their heritage, while others embrace their criminal side.

Orcs, despite causing the First Great War by taking over the Halfling lands, are bigger and stronger than most other races and have a deep respect for martial authority. However, the ratio is about 50/50 with as many Orcs ending up in the Mob as end up on the force. Many young Orc has had to make the choice between family and duty.

Dwarves are naturally distrustful of everyone but being short, stout, and good with an axe makes them very good at breach operations. Usually accompanied by an Ogre enforcer, Dwarf Swat teams are proud and noble, taking on the hardest missions.

In short, I started from scratch and created a fantasy world, then I advanced it through history until I got to the Dark Future. I know there are similarities, seems there always will be, but I think I have some original ideas. In terms of models, I want to create something that would have multiple uses. Use it in Cyberslums, use it in 40K, use it in your favorite game system whatever that happens to be. If someone used my models to represent characters and NPCs in their Shadowrun game, I'd consider it a honor.

Rob

[tnjrp]

The main problem for me is that the idea of shoehorning obvious traditional fantasy races into a science fiction environment doesn't float my boat at all - I don't like it in Warhammer 40.000 or Warpath either. I feel it's taking the playing on tropes thing quite common especially on the somewhat lighter side of speculative fiction (outside of literature, basically) a step too far. Admittedly it's a question of taste where ones draws that line.

[NewEvolutionGames]

I guess that's where I am taking a different approach. I'm not shoe horning, i'm looking at it logically and progressing through their history. Some will have similarities to our history while other events are fantasy in nature. The focus is Dark future fantasy but with a little alternate history.

[Glitzer]

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Plus please don't use racism as the reason for confrontation. It's been used, abused and thoroughly worn out. If orcs are the cops and Dwarves are the SWAT, surely they must be on the same side? What is it that makes all elves in to criminal gangers and all orcs want to grow up to be cops? If you're going down the fantasy/sci-fi route, do something different and mix the races up a bit. Now if you did that, then I'd be much more interested.

I second that, I want elf/halfling Snipers in SWAT and trolls as Riot Supessors as well. Please do not build tmeams of one race only per unit. Halflings make great Snipers as well as hitmen. and why not one or two Characters that fall of the stereotypes? Trolls as Snipers and elfs with graftet muscles would definately make the thing more interesting to me.

[Comsquare]

For playtesting Rob made up ready-to-run teams, which were race-specific.
But he also included a building system to make up teams from different races, so I guess this will still be the option in the finished rules

Tobias: I'll get the newest set of rules tweaked in the next week or two and send them your way.

Looking forward to run them

[NewEvolutionGames]

The final set of rules will have a Slummer crew creation system as well as pre-made crews for people to start out. In your own crews, you can mix and match races and specialties. Want a Cybered out Dwarf Street Knight, a Gnome Technowizard, a Elf L33t, and a couple human funkies? Go ahead. Want to run a Dwarf swat Team with an Ogre Enforcer and an Elf Sniper? There's rules for that. Crews can be made in just about any combination you can think of.

The Elvish Yakuza included a Sumo sized elf which would fall into your grafted muscles category easily enough.

Easy enough to grab a pre-made crew or make your own, which every you would like. Playtesting the premade crews was helping to balance out the point system for fair creation across the board.

[dijit]

The final set of rules will have a Slummer crew creation system as well as pre-made crews for people to start out. In your own crews, you can mix and match races and specialties. Want a Cybered out Dwarf Street Knight, a Gnome Technowizard, a Elf L33t, and a couple human funkies? Go ahead. Want to run a Dwarf swat Team with an Ogre Enforcer and an Elf Sniper? There's rules for that. Crews can be made in just about any combination you can think of.

The Elvish Yakuza included a Sumo sized elf which would fall into your grafted muscles category easily enough.

Easy enough to grab a pre-made crew or make your own, which every you would like. Playtesting the premade crews was helping to balance out the point system for fair creation across the board.

Now that sounds much better!
Duncan

[NewEvolutionGames]

Glad to see that I may be converting some new Slummers.

I've tried to keep it fresh and original with lots of options for the players. I had to tone my original draft down a bit when it came to weapon options because lots of basic weapons had too similar effects and the only difference was the name.

There will be a campaign system and I may well include a moderated(Game mastered?) Campaign that could be run including NPCs or non-player controlled opposing factions.

[Glitzer]

The final set of rules will have a Slummer crew creation system as well as pre-made crews for people to start out. In your own crews, you can mix and match races and specialties. Want a Cybered out Dwarf Street Knight, a Gnome Technowizard, a Elf L33t, and a couple human funkies? Go ahead. Want to run a Dwarf swat Team with an Ogre Enforcer and an Elf Sniper? There's rules for that. Crews can be made in just about any combination you can think of.

The Elvish Yakuza included a Sumo sized elf which would fall into your grafted muscles category easily enough.

Nice, nice, Me Want

Another good idea would be to produce "Chrome-Up your Minis" Conversion packs. I haven't seen any good 80s Cyberpunk conversion packs so far.

[tnjrp]

I guess that's where I am taking a different approach. I'm not shoe horning, i'm looking at it logically and progressing through their history

I'm sure the same could be said about Wh40k and Wp as well - that the fantasy races are not "shoehorned", they are after all really aliens (or geneered humans as the case may be) that happen to be quite like orcs or dwarves or whathavewe -- in space. Your case is a cyberpunkish future of a fantasy world but the net result is still the same and so am still unimpressed. But as I said it's entirely subjective where you set the line of "a trope too far".

Now as to that, you might want to say that you have actually avoided tropes by not restricting the fantasy races to the sterotypical notions concerning them (ref: the sumo elf), but then it seem to make the point of even actually having them to sort of vanish -- it's turns into calling apples oranges.

As to having gang creation rules, I find that sort of thing tends to sit in a somewhat awkward gap betwen full generic and full closed. You can tweak a lot of things but not "everything" (obviously even in the generic games, you can't tweak the rules themselves). So that doesn't really inspire my confidence either.

Obviously that doesn't mean I'm dismissing your game out of hand -- it could be an exception where the limited openness really works, and even otherwise very good as far as mechanics go. And since background is very small and unimportant part of the whole for me, I can ignore it and just think the pointy ears and stout (or downright stunty) bodies are fashion fads

All that said, I'm still really here primarily for the miniatures.