Any interest in seeing this in 28mm?

[NewEvolutionGames]

Glitzer: That is a great idea. Once I get the Kickstarter project up and running, I'll even call it the "Glitzer pack". A variety of arms and cyberlegs. Maybe a torso and a couple heads? Although I hadn't thought of the original Cyberpunk as an inspiration, I immediately pictured a nice Rocker mini.

tnjrp: I guess you can't win everyone over. I completely understnad your position and hopefully will change your mind in the future. So long as you are interested in the models, I guess we can agree to disagree.

[NewEvolutionGames]

This is an unrelated question to the original post, but would a Dwarf model sculpted by Bob Olley be a draw? I know he is known for his Scrunt line and I love his style.

Similar to the way that Kev White is the go-to guy for woman models, is Bob Olley the go-to guy for Dwarf sculpts?

[Major_Gilbear]

Personally, no.

But then I never understood love-affair folks with with Dwarfs/Dwarves... (or Zombies either or that matter!).

I should point out that somebody like Andrew Rae would be able to do female sculpts justice too, not just Kev White (and there are others besides them as well!)

Also, Kev White's Grymn are very popular too!

[NewEvolutionGames]

Major Gilbear,

I meant no offense. I've had quite a few people reference Kev White as the means to success with a female sculpt. Andrew Rae, too, has an amazing body of work, I was just unfamiliar until you pointed him out to me. I like Kev White's Style, but others may find it lacking. Another personal favorite is Jason Wiebe.

Don't misunderstand, the Dwarf would be a stretch goal or supplementary goal. I'd also include all the races, factions, or classes, as much as possible. I want to start small, with the possibility to go big if enough people are interested.

[dijit]

Personally I dodn't get the fascination people have with Bob Olley, what I've seen of his work often seems charicatured and a little lack lustre.
Duncan

[Conquistador]

Personally I dodn't get the fascination people have with Bob Olley, what I've seen of his work often seems charicatured and a little lack lustre.
Duncan

Miniatures are essentially very small art pieces (said a friend of mine) and perhaps that is true.  Our perceptions and preferences are very personal - I have decided to dump all my dwarves other than Der Kriegspieler and selected early Ral Partha dwarf figures because that is how I define a "dwarf" in my mind.  

Now I don't have any Bob Olley dwarf figures (see above) but I find his scrunts mildly pleasing even if they don't fit into my view of "dwarf" but not pleasing enough to buy any.  And I think most fantasy "races" (Racism - really?) are stereotyped/caricatured by definition of much of the fan fiction thinking.

Gracias,

Glenn

[Conquistador]

Personally, no.

But then I never understood love-affair folks with with Dwarfs/Dwarves... (or Zombies either or that matter!).

I should point out that somebody like Andrew Rae would be able to do female sculpts justice too, not just Kev White (and there are others besides them as well!)

Also, Kev White's Grymn are very popular too!

My wife (raised Roman Catholic where the parish priest (forever it seems) was never willing to say Vatican II  was a good thing) once asked me if all female fantasy characters were 38+/DD+ in the bust area.  Most of my (1980's + 1990's) female figures are - generally - a bit more "main stream" anatomy so I could remind her of our OD&D games and the figures she saw on the table.  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suspect and I find the frequent absence of sensible fighting/adventuring clothing more bothersome than on measure of a body part myself.

A sculptor should show variety in the human form in the figures he/she sculpts, even in miniatures, strictly IMNSHO.

Edit:  The above is not a criticism of any sculptor specifically.

Gracias,

Glenn

[Conquistador]

<snip>

But then I never understood love-affair folks with with Dwarfs/Dwarves... (or Zombies either or that matter!).

<snip>!

Funny I feel the same way about "tree fairies" aka Wood Elves myself.      

Gracias,

Glenn

[Conquistador]

I'm sorry but I have to say "meh" to that. Never been at all keen on the Shadowrun idea, and what with >a Steampunk version of the same concept< just recently out this is seems like crowding a niche... IMHO, of course.

<snip>

Maybe he will do better than Shadowrun or a steampunk version - shudder - does.

That said, I never have found a good Fantasy species in SF setting rules set that had appeal to me so maybe this will be a first for me.  We will see.

Gracias,

Glenn

[Conquistador]

<snip>If orcs are the cops and Dwarves are the SWAT, surely they must be on the same side? <snip>

You would think but I remember the LAPD and the CHP having jurisdictional and " police cultural" disagreements when I was a kid. 

The Whittier (home town as a teen) cop who lived on my street once said something (paraphrasing) about a CHP responding a bank robbery with shots fired as being a 'civilian in uniform' who had to be kept from hurting himself or the "real police" at the scene.  so I can see lack of cooperation and possibly working at cross purposes in such a game setting.

Some FBI agents have "won" less than heartfelt cooperation by preempting local investigative efforts (more a personality or mind set issue, I hope,) or failing to coordinate with state or local investigations/departments.

Hell, some of the older members of the Intelligence agencies don't talk to each other if they don't have to...

And if you use the old OD&D 9 alignment approach (mentally, not in game mechanics,) I can see Lawful "good" Orcs and Lawful Neutral Dwarfs having an antipathy even in their professional relationships.

Just my dos centavos.

Gracias,

Glenn

[Conquistador]

<snip>

I should point out that somebody like Andrew Rae would be able to do female sculpts justice too, not just Kev White (and there are others besides them as well!)

<snip>

I like most of those.  Good link.  A few don't work for me but that's my preferences not his sculpting. 

Gracias,

Glenn

[Conquistador]

<snip>

But then I never understood love-affair folks with with Dwarfs/Dwarves... (or Zombies either or that matter!).

<snip>

Well I can agree with the last part... 

Zombies?

 

Gracias,

Glenn

[Major_Gilbear]

Major Gilbear,

I meant no offense.

None taken, I assure you! 

I've had quite a few people reference Kev White as the means to success with a female sculpt. Andrew Rae, too, has an amazing body of work, I was just unfamiliar until you pointed him out to me. I like Kev White's Style, but others may find it lacking. Another personal favorite is Jason Wiebe. 

Of course; everyone has their preferences when it comes to sculpting and sculptors - that's normal, and is just like any other form of art where different people like different things/artists.

I was more thinking though that whilst Kev White is known for sculpting many lovely ladies, many folks gloss over the fact that he's sculpted just as many ugly ones (and I don't mean attractive/ugly in a stereotypical sense - rather, sculpts with odd proportions, scales, bland details, poor attention to faces, etc.). Also, part of the reason that he's associated with sculpting ladies is because so many female model sculpts over the years have been so rubbish, that his good ones really stood out.

Thankfully though, there have been many other sculptors who've taken up the challenge over the last few years and succeeded in sculpting some very good female models too, so you do at least have some choice.

I think you will always have an exaggeration of feminine traits on miniatures (small face, long hair, big breasts, wide hips, round bottom, long legs) because it is an easy and obvious way of giving figures a little over an inch tall enough difference to discern their gender at two/three feet on the tabletop. There's a big difference between something like this and something like this I think; on one the distortion is quite obvious, whereas the other uses it more sensitively and keeps it to a minimum. Or to use Kev's own recent stuff: this compared to this. And that's all well and good (I don't want to veer too far off topic!), but I think it's important to be clear how "fan-servicey" the model is to be: the concept art is already fairly, erm, exaggerated afterall!

Somebody else who could do a good job of your concept would be Werner Klocke, but he too sculpts females in a (very deliberately) exaggerated way, and his works seem to inspire equal love and hatred among various folks! That said, his stuff does seem to sell very well, and I personally quite like his style when he doesn't overdo it too much (see his Freebooter's Fate Amazons for example).

Don't misunderstand, the Dwarf would be a stretch goal or supplementary goal. I'd also include all the races, factions, or classes, as much as possible. I want to start small, with the possibility to go big if enough people are interested.

Well, I'd be interested in models over the game personally, but nonetheless I'm still not bothered by having a dwarf fig. Although, Kev'd be a good man to go to if you wanted a sculpt that was somewhat removed from the more usual fantasy tropes... 

[NewEvolutionGames]

Conquistador: Those were some very insightful comments. Except for the last one. (I love Zombies) I bet even within precincts, there are cops or groups of cops who don't want to work with others. I understand the cross talk between agencies, I've worked with both the FBI and CIA and neither spoke highly of the other. I hope CyberSlums will be the right mix of Fantasy and Cyberpunk for you.

Major Gilbear: Glad I did not offend you and I hope that I didn't offend any sculptors either. I like models as models and very rarely notice who it was sculpted by. As of late, I have take more notice. Jason Wiebe has an impressive body of work with Reaper and elsewhere. We've corresponded for years on various topics and he had agreed to sculpt my first Kickstarter project had it been a success and I'd love to work with him again.

I'm working to get lots of concept together before moving ahead with this. Since I have no starting capital(wife and I are ungoing InVirto treatments) I need a solid concept before launching the project. Hopefully over the next weeks/months, I will be able to show off some nice artwork as well as give everyone a taste of the CyberSlums world with some fiction/fluff. I'd love to get some of the sculptors you mentioned on board for single or multiple models. Even without greens, I think people put alot of stock in the names of the artist and the work they have done in the past. I'm hoping this new direction will draw in many new Slummers and see this Kickstarter launch a success.

[The_Beast]

Being short, fat, and with a beard longer than my avatar, I rather feel a kinship with dwarves.

That said, I'm on the fence with Ollies'. However, having not seen an example in person, I suppose I'll wait til I get around to trying a sample.

The lass, I don't have a use for, likewise the rules so far as I understand 'em, but I'll try to keep up with info posted here.

Good fortune!

Doug