Ripper Street

[admiraldick]

@ Bezzo: my apologies, no disrespect was intended. i realise i didn't state myself clearly. i was meaning that 'bluebottle' has clearly been chosen as the (perhaps singular) slang term for a policeman in the show. and whether historically accurate or not, its almost certain that the use of 'blue' on its own is a shortening of that term, if only to add variety to dialogue.

@has.been: a very interesting idea. i'll have to give that technique a try. do you have any photos of your own examples? might have to pick up some of the Perrys' ACW Rioters which would stand in quite nicely for ne'erdowells.

[has.been]

Admiraldick, I would love to 'post' pictures, but I am to modern technology what mixamatosis is to rabbits. If I can persuade younger family members to take digital photos & transfer them to this internet thinggy.

[fastolfrus]

Sunday is improving.
Ripper Street after supper, and Blandings whilst the kettle boils.

[Paleskin]

on an early holiday perhaps?

enjoying it,dont think it needs over analysing,taken at face value its a good romp thats been well made,imho.

the CSI victoriana bits may be slightly stretched but hay ho still good watching!

[thebinmann]

Episode 3: The previous epidemic of cholera in London had been in 1876. Matthew MacFaddyn says he was not in the city then and asks Jerome Flynn where he was. The reply is "Sudan Sir".

1876?

Come on that's just pulling holes! 

[thebinmann]

No problem admiral. There is always bound to be lots of anachronistic language used in any historial drama.

Victorian terms for policemen also included "crushers" and  "rozzers",  and a surprise to me "pig" was used even back then.

Look it's a Peeler 716, come to arrest the Zulus 

[Thunderchicken]

Maybe a bit nit-picky I know but just as easy not to do it as leave it in the script.

Just the thin of the wedge which could lead to:

"Sir, it's another message from the Ripper. He's tweeted he shan't quit ripping them till he does get buckled."

"Right Sergeant Drake, call me a mini-Hanson-cab, I'm off to Starbucks to think!"

  Only joking. I actually do like it a lot and make an effort to see it. Not too many programmes for which I can say that.

 

[thebinmann]

 

I think the point was just to tell the viewers (once again) he was ex army

BTW have you seen this, could be reall GH!

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=49615.0

[TadPortly]

Episode 3: The previous epidemic of cholera in London had been in 1876. Matthew MacFaddyn says he was not in the city then and asks Jerome Flynn where he was. The reply is "Sudan Sir".

1876?

Please correct me if I am wrong, but Sudan had a British Governor in the Sudan in 1876 which would suggest the presence of at least some British troops there.   

[Poiter50]

Perhaps on a mission in Mufti?

Charles Gordon was Governor of the Sudan (and was indeed British) but he was in the service of the Khedive on a personal contract  He had no regular British army under his command.

So while it is possible Sergaent Drake was in the Sudan at that time he would have been there as a mercenary or tourist.

I think it is just a bit of sloppy research on the part of the script writer, and there have been far worse errors in other series and films.

[thebinmann]

I think it is just a bit of sloppy research on the part of the script writer, and there have been far worse errors in other series and films.

I'm pretty sure it was a plot device to tell the general public, including me, that he was in the army prevously. Sudan is well known area of victorian activity so they wen with that... at least he didn't say he was at Rorke's Drift 

[thebinmann]

Missed it tonight, was it any good?

Thanks

[Malamute]

Missed it tonight, was it any good?

Thanks

Yep, I think so, I am really enjoying this series. The trailer for next week looks good.

[Franz_Josef]

Hicks Pasha did have some British officers (on leave) in his force.

[Plynkes]

Hicks Pasha did have some British officers (on leave) in his force.

But not in 1876. That was a few years before Hicks' time in the Sudan.


The Sudan did not have a British governor-general in 1876, a chap called Ismail Pasha Ayoub held that particular post at the time, while Gordon was governor of Equatoria (down in modern-day South Sudan and Uganda). Egypt and Sudan were not controlled by Britain during this period, and though there were British Army officers scampering all around the place, as Bezzo says they were generally moonlighting: either working for the Khedive's government (like Gordon and Sam Baker), or as journalists (like Fred Burnaby).

Can't say for sure that zero British Army sergeants went to the Sudan in 1876, but there were no British military units there at that time. If they had wanted to namedrop an exotic place for that year where a British Army sergeant would have been found actually, er... sergeanting, they should have said India or South Africa.

I know it is wrong to pick such tiny nits, but by Jingo, tiny nits are the tastiest ones!  



I seem to have endeavoured to entirely miss this series. Oh well, too bloody late to start watching it now.