New 28mm German Erhardt armoured car by 1st Corps

[Madmick]

WW1V07 Erhhart E-V/4 £16.00
This is a resin model with metal parts.

Initially sent to the Western Front they were found to be of no real use on the battle field so were sent to the Eastern Front where they were very effective in the more open terrain.
After the Russian Revolution they were used as internal security in Germany where the height of the cars meant they were very usfull for crowd control, the crew being able to see over the crowd.
Erhhart E-V/4's were still in use almost upto the Second World War.

www.1stcorps.co.uk
 
 

[area23]

Nice!

[fastolfrus]

Looks very good, does anyone do it in 15mm?

[Bowman]

I just picked up this model, together with the Belgian Minerva. Both are beautiful, well cast resin models. I have never heard of the Erhardt before this, but I wonder about the model's scale. It is HUGE!

The doors look too big, and the hand crank on the engine looks too big to be cranked by a 28mm figure. The molded shovel and pickaxe on the rear of the car are too big to be used by a 28mm figure. The machine guns are way bigger than anything else I own in this scale. In contrast, the Minerva looks like a 28mm (1/56 scale) model.

So I admit my unfamiliarity with this Armoured car, but does anyone else have doubts about it's size? What is odd is that the tires on both models are roughly the same size.

[former user]

well here is an Ehrhardt

and a Minerva


both with people for comparison - of course the people could differ in size, also I don't know the miniatures and can't say anything about the details, but the Ehrhardt was huge

how about a comparison shot?

[Westfalia Chris]

well here is an Ehrhardt

Note that this is NOT a "proper" Ehrhardt Model 1917 but, according to the source page, a post-war armoured body construction on a truck chassis in Dutch service.

The link below shows a 1/35 scale model with a figure next to it:

http://www.blackliondecals.nl/gallery/arlowerkhoven1.jpg

Given that the Ehrhardt was quite large (more than 5 metres long and almost 3 metres high), it would be a large item in gaming size as well - almost 10cm/4in for 1/56.

[former user]

oh, did not notice

well maybe thispicture will do then

[Bowman]

Hi Guys, thanks for the responses.

First, I didn't make myself clear. I didn't expect the Minerva to be the same size as the Erhardt. I just think that the Minerva is 1/56 scale and the Erhardt seems to be 1/48 or even bigger!

I hope my photo comes through.

http://s833.photobucket.com/user/JRRNEWS/media/Misc%20Photos%2021013/Erhardt.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

I've propped the chassis up to roughly were it would stand with tires on. I've included a 28mm Belgian soldier. Clearly the spade and pick-axe are too large. Plus the height of the hood/bonnet towers over the soldiers head. That includes his base. In both your photos, the bonnet is roughly equal to the height of the people's heads.

As an aside how do I present the photo directly onto this thread as you have done? When I use the Insert Image button I get the image symbols in the square brackets, and when I place my url in-between them, I get nothing.

[former user]

photobucket shows the direct link which You can copy by click, this You set into the brackets



and I see what You mean - 1st corps write that the scale is 1/48, is the Minerva theirs too?

and second, yes, the shovel and pick look like someone was lazy and used 1/35 bits from a kit (I do this, but then I am not prototyping and selling)- but I may be wrong with my impression

[Bowman]

Sorry to be dense, former user. Above is the url for a new photo. Placing this into the image brackets shows nothing. What do you clip away to post on here?

The Minerva is also theirs. It looks 1/56. You are probably right, the Erhardt looks to be 1/48 with 1/35 accoutrements added on.

[Westfalia Chris]

Fixed the last one for you. In Photobucket, on the right side of the screen, you have a number of "options", the second of which reads "direct" and gives a URL. You click into the URL window and your browser should automatically copy the link.

Paste this into your message and add the IMG tags at the start and end.

Anyway, those images are quite interesting. I agree with former user, those tools look quite large, but the rest of the proportions seem to be good (except for the rather heavy detail, but that's a matter of taste).

It does appear to be more of a 1/48 than a 1/56 thingie, though. Could you give an overall length measurement of the model?

[former user]

it is like Chris explained it, maybe more precise than me - don't bother, we all started with this and You'll eventually manage 

vehicle sizes are difficult, and it doesn't get better with a handfull of miniature scales on top.
But I agree, even for 1/48 it appears very large for the reference miniature - Belgian made by?

good to know anyway, 1/48 doesn't work always. Not only is the pick too large, but the shovel has a german handle.... 

did You order the Belgian crew too for the Minerva?

[Bowman]

Thanks Chris and former user,

Length of model is 113mm. This is from the front of the bonnet, and not from the front springs, which project frontally a few more mm. For interest, the engine crank is 15mm long, over half the length of the poor guy who has to start the damned car!

In my opinion, the top of the bonnet is way above the figures head and he is based. The front of the car is much higher than what is seen in the photographs

The figure in my photos is either from Great War miniatures. He stands 28mm tall (measured from the sole of his shoe to the eyes). And yes I did get the crew for the Minerva. The upright figure that is not firing the machine gun also stands 28mm tall.

I play a lot of Early WW1 and have armoured cars for most combatants. The Erhardt looks like a King Tiger, even compared to the dual turret Austin-Putilov. It is a beautiful model and I will play with it. When it barrels down into the Belgian forces, all 4 machine guns blazing, the poor little Minerva is in for a shock! Don't even get me started on the poor dogs hauling the HMG carts.

[former user]

I play a lot of Early WW1 and have armoured cars for most combatants. The Erhardt looks like a King Tiger, even compared to the dual turret Austin-Putilov. It is a beautiful model and I will play with it. When it barrels down into the Belgian forces, all 4 machine guns blazing, the poor little Minerva is in for a shock! Don't even get me started on the poor dogs hauling the HMG carts.

I can picture this very well;)

[Westfalia Chris]

Thanks Chris and former user,

Length of model is 113mm. This is from the front of the bonnet, and not from the front springs, which project frontally a few more mm.

That does sound a tad big, 1/48 at least (1/45 even).

For interest, the engine crank is 15mm long, over half the length of the poor guy who has to start the damned car!

In my opinion, the top of the bonnet is way above the figures head and he is based. The front of the car is much higher than what is seen in the photographs

The figure in my photos is either from Great War miniatures. He stands 28mm tall (measured from the sole of his shoe to the eyes). And yes I did get the crew for the Minerva. The upright figure that is not firing the machine gun also stands 28mm tall.

I play a lot of Early WW1 and have armoured cars for most combatants. The Erhardt looks like a King Tiger, even compared to the dual turret Austin-Putilov. It is a beautiful model and I will play with it. When it barrels down into the Belgian forces, all 4 machine guns blazing, the poor little Minerva is in for a shock! Don't even get me started on the poor dogs hauling the HMG carts.

I agree, the thing seems to be a bigger scale than the Minerva. I wonder if it's from the same sculptor/master modeller, as the Minerva looks a bit different, stylewise, in the pics on the 1stCorps website.

On the other hand, the Minerva is based on a tourer chassis; the Ehrhardt, while (to my knowledge) not a truck-based design but rather a purpose-built chassis, is more in the truck size class. There should be a notable size difference, but it just appears the model is not 1/56 28mm but rather 1/48 28-32mm.