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Offline Bryanbowdell

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Re: French colonial forces
« Reply #105 on: 24 August 2013, 10:38:34 PM »
wow
these turned out great!

the senegalese was a perry plastic too?
and the guy with the loincloth, is he a dahomean?




Thanks.

The guy in a loincloth is a Perry Sudanese/Mahdist.

The Senegalese is a plastic Zoauve body, plastic mahdist head and napoleonic arms (with the cuffs removed).


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Re: French colonial forces
« Reply #106 on: 24 August 2013, 10:54:36 PM »
the empress colonials work quite well for french  ;)

though I'd try the interim bleu mecanicien uniform or Tonkin whites, they look more specific.
In dark blue it would have been double breasted

Offline Bryanbowdell

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Re: French colonial forces
« Reply #107 on: 24 August 2013, 11:10:29 PM »
though I'd try the interim bleu mecanicien uniform

Is this the light blue?  Would artillery crews have worn dark blue double breatsed tunics?

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Re: French colonial forces
« Reply #108 on: 24 August 2013, 11:38:56 PM »
the light blue, yes
a forum search will give You some painted Dixon, but blueer than the one You used for the turcos - a bit stronger than sky blue
here it is  (kind regards to @Answer_is_42)

it was actually denim blue, like jeans, but bleached out

colonial/naval artillery would have worn the double breasted dark blue paletot, yes
probably not in northern/western Africa.
The problem with the colonial uniforms is that they were very regional
« Last Edit: 24 August 2013, 11:45:56 PM by bedwyr »

Offline Bryanbowdell

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Re: French colonial forces
« Reply #109 on: 26 August 2013, 08:57:23 AM »
I only have a couple of the British to convert, mainly to man artillery and "stiffen up" the natives!!  When did the light blue uniforms begin to be used?

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Re: French colonial forces
« Reply #110 on: 26 August 2013, 09:23:24 AM »
oh, hell
no option to look it up now, some time before 1900, but only Madagascar and far east.

I thought they look so characteristic and cool, and since You are not that authentic anyway....

oh, and since we are at it: the spatterdash/gaiter combination (white over leather) of the Zouaves is characteristic for the 2nd empire, and would have been pretty outdated after 1872, gaiters would have been black leather, or cloth, white for regulation or any colour of recycled garment, tan, blue or even red

As with the British and other armies, there were a lot of experiments in the end of the century...
with artillery I would wait until the Perry ACW plastic artillery comes out, they should be pretty generic
at least I hope  ;)


Offline Bryanbowdell

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Re: French colonial forces
« Reply #111 on: 26 August 2013, 05:12:48 PM »
I am looking forward to the Perry artillery, some Napoleon cannon will be cool (if not overkill).

The ooverall look of the force is what I concentrate on, just trying  to resist using true metropolitan  troops I do like dragoons ;-)

I do appreciate all the help u have given me, ta

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Re: French colonial forces
« Reply #112 on: 26 August 2013, 05:17:14 PM »
pleasure
we should do a sticky french colonial thread  :D

the artillery - carriage and limber haven't changed much and are almost the same for french and US until around 1900 (AFAIK! please correct who knows better), so only the weapons need to be changed

You wouldn't be able to use dragoons in Africa...
You better check for Meharistes  ;)

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Re: French colonial forces
« Reply #113 on: 26 August 2013, 06:46:58 PM »
I only have a couple of the British to convert, mainly to man artillery and "stiffen up" the natives!!  When did the light blue uniforms begin to be used?

The M1895 blue uniform was first issued to naval troops in 1896 to replace the M1886 collarless paletot. It was also issued to the FFL and was last worn in 1901 during the China expedition, being discontinued shortly afterwards. It was a dull shade of grey-blue rather than bright light blue by the way - all the more so as the dye used was prone to fading, which often resulted in an unkempt and sloppy appearance on campaign.  

Offline Bryanbowdell

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Re: French colonial forces
« Reply #114 on: 26 August 2013, 06:58:07 PM »
A sticky thread would be good.

I do fine the French army fascinating, and looks great on the tabletop, I may expand into the Franco Prussian war!

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Re: French colonial forces
« Reply #115 on: 26 August 2013, 07:06:09 PM »
merci Arthur

for the sake of authenticity You will have to decide  ;)
@Brianbowdell
1871 is the watermark for french uniforms (even if for the uninitiated it is difficult to see)
before is the operetta style of the 2nd empire, after is the more sober style of the 3rd republic and the emergence of the more practical colonial uniforms.
there is no both  ;)

Offline Bryanbowdell

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Re: French colonial forces
« Reply #116 on: 26 August 2013, 09:40:11 PM »
I will probably go with the third republic as the 1870s-80's is my main area of interest overall.

Would any standards be a simple tri-colour?
 Would any metropolitan line infantry have served in Africa?

I may eventually get round to a few grits as well, for a fictional clash of empires!

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Re: French colonial forces
« Reply #117 on: 26 August 2013, 10:07:19 PM »
There was not many French colonial activities in the 1870s, as France was recovering from the FPW and still wondering what to do next.

I dont' think (unless proven wrong?) there was metropolitan line in Africa.

For standards there was regimental colours, which would be somewhat decorated. But it's possible that small detachments could carry simple and unformal tricolours, to show to the natives.

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Re: French colonial forces
« Reply #118 on: 26 August 2013, 10:45:39 PM »
metropolitan units outside of france during the 3rd republic - marsouins (volonteers) and zouaves, chasseurs d'Afrique -
otherwise constitutionally impossible

Offline Patrice

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Re: French colonial forces
« Reply #119 on: 26 August 2013, 11:17:53 PM »
I'd not call these metropolitan. Not in the strict sense. The modern French army still makes a strong traditional difference between "colo" (marsouins and bigors) and "metro".

 

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