the apaches ? or plain indians ?

[lou passejaire]

i'm quite disapointed  with the apache list !

first off all the "bear" even shinning 

then the weapons

am i the only one interested in apaches history ?

but it's a great plain indian list 

[Craig]

am i the only one interested in apaches history ?

Not at all Lou.

We went for a generic Native American list, but felt using the term 'Apache' was more appropriate to the period as most other tribes had long been conquered by the end of the century.

Also we felt it more interesting to go for a traditionalist revival, with the rejection of the white man's technology. Otherwise we'd have ended up with just another cowboy/outlaw list.

[Dewbakuk]

I disagreed with this and recommended changing it to a Plains tribe 

In fact I'd suggest a blog post along these lines Craig. I've had people ask about this and also the Zulu list when I used it for Cannibals the other night. I had to explain that they are generic lists that you can use the skills/options to tweak to particular tribes (or just rewrite if you want), for example my Cannibals were all Stealthy but weren't allowed guns.

Unfortunately people still have a hang up on 'official' things and the big block of text is selling them only one theme.

[lou passejaire]

i disagree with

Also we felt it more interesting to go for a traditionalist revival, with the rejection of the white man's technology. Otherwise we'd have ended up with just another cowboy/outlaw list.

Apaches have a very specific culture, and were opportunistics .
Call them American-indian tribesmen and i have no more problems with the list ( and still a lot of problems with my english  )

[Conquistador]

Apache Confederation?

Based on the principle that the tribe (nation) with the most votes (Spears) gets to choose the name?

Gracias,

Glenn

[Craig]

i disagree with Apaches have a very specific culture, and were opportunistics .
Call them American-indian tribesmen and i have no more problems with the list ( and still a lot of problems with my english  )

We welcome your disagreement, but please understand though that this is a Victorian scientific romance, a world that never was, so sometimes the themes we choose will not please everyone and we are happy with that. We encourage you to be creative with how you interpret and use the rules and the companies for your one games 

[Irishrover13]

We welcome your disagreement, but please understand though that this is a Victorian scientific romance, a world that never was, so sometimes the themes we choose will not please everyone and we are happy with that. We encourage you to be creative with how you interpret and use the rules and the companies for your one games 

Craig raises a great point that I think some people miss. He has given you a basic list for First Nation people, if you don't like it that is fine  this game is all about modification in order to suit tastes and play styles, so just change it. For example I am not in love with the Outlaws gangs, nothing Craig did wrong I just find them lacking in selection from my point of view (which is likely different then Craig's and that is alright). So I have added a few things: I added  the gunslinger is good with pistols and one on one fights, the ronin a master of the two handed sword (You can not take more then 7) and the desperado a sniper. I did this because I felt they needed a boost. So if you don't like something fix it to match your vision, you have the rule books and Craig has been nice enough to share his quick building list.

Cheers,

Daniel

[Scorpio]

Unfortunately people still have a hang up on 'official' things and the big block of text is selling them only one theme.

Really? I don't understand being a fan of IHMN and getting hung-up on 'official' things. It's about as far from that scene as you can get.

[Dewbakuk]

Really? I don't understand being a fan of IHMN and getting hung-up on 'official' things. It's about as far from that scene as you can get.

It's more people who are new to the game or interested in trying it.

[oabee]

Also we felt it more interesting to go for a traditionalist revival, with the rejection of the white man's technology

This is one reason I found the Apache Company compelling, and will--eventually--paint one up. With, as I said in another post, a hot female shamaness. But as I was saying....

This type of revival movement swept periodically through the Indian world, as various far-seeing individuals (Tecumseh and Sitting Bull are two examples, as I recall) saw--quite correctly--that reliance on the Europeans' technology would result in the end of the Indians' culture and way of life. So HVF's adaptation of this version of an Indian company rings absolutely true to me, and is an elegant approach to expanding the IHMN world. Bravo!

If you don't like the bows, assume that they are enhanced in some way---mystically? rediscovered ancestral knowledge?---and treat them as crossbows.

Mike O