Musketeers - BBC Discuss!

[gringo]

i enjoyed episode two as well....feel myself being drawn in after
the inital antileathrette outburst from me historically.it was fun
the clip from Episode three looks fairly gripping to be honest...

one for all and all to watch!!

regards
Ged
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[gamer Mac]

i enjoyed episode two as well....

one for all and all for one - I don't think this statement has been voiced yet! Shocking

[Eric the Shed]

Was the cardinal on the same side as the musketeers in this episode or was he actually masterminding the theft of the crown jewels thoughts 

[Malamute]

Was the cardinal on the same side as the musketeers in this episode or was he actually masterminding the theft of the crown jewels thoughts 

The cardinal was for France and therefore the King, he would not have masterminded the theft.  Therefore the Musketeers were useful to him in protecting the king.

[joroas]

The whole point in the story was to bring discredit on the Queen by exposing her relationship with the Duke of Buckingham after she GAVE him some of the diamonds.  The Cardinal did this by suggesting that the King held a ball at which she was to wear them and, therefore, have to explain where the missing ones were.

[Lowtardog]

The whole point in the story was to bring discredit on the Queen by exposing her relationship with the Duke of Buckingham after she GAVE him some of the diamonds.  The Cardinal did this by suggesting that the King held a ball at which she was to wear them and, therefore, have to explain where the missing ones were.

Are they bringing the original story into this in a round about way then, good point as to me it seems that although I am quite enjoying it, its more like a weekly detective/secret agent story at the moment

[Captain Blood]

Yes, they are playing fast and loose with the original story... Basically taking the characters and dropping them into new stories.

[Malamute]

The whole point in the story was to bring discredit on the Queen by exposing her relationship with the Duke of Buckingham after she GAVE him some of the diamonds.  The Cardinal did this by suggesting that the King held a ball at which she was to wear them and, therefore, have to explain where the missing ones were.

Buckingham and the queens diamonds have not yet made an appearance in the TV series, as Richard says they are playing fast and loose with the story. I thought Eric the Sheds question was directed at the latest episode, not the book.

[joroas]

Aagh! So in true Hollywoody style, BASED on a true story............ vaguely!

[Captain Blood]

I think the opening titles includes the fatal phrase 'inspired by' or something along those lines...

This is why screenwriters love old stories which are out of copyright. Basically they can pillage them to their heart's content... 

[joroas]

I recently watched Invictus, the story of how, with Nelson Mandela's support, they SA rugby Team won the World Cup.  The title of the film is based on the name of the poem written by a 19thC. student from the school where I work, William Henley.

Out of the night that covers me,
 Black as the pit from pole to pole,
 I thank whatever gods may be
 For my unconquerable soul.

 In the fell clutch of circumstance
 I have not winced nor cried aloud.
 Under the bludgeonings of chance
 My head is bloody, but unbowed.

 Beyond this place of wrath and tears
 Looms but the horror of the shade,
 And yet the menace of the years
 Finds and shall find me unafraid.

 It matters not how strait the gate,
 How charged with punishments the scroll,
 I am the master of my fate:
 I am the captain of my soul.

While incarcerated on Robben Island prison, Nelson Mandela recited the poem to other prisoners and was empowered by its message of self-mastery. In the movie Invictus, Mandela gives the captain of the national South African rugby team the poem to inspire him to lead his team to a Rugby World Cup win, telling him how it inspired him in prison. In reality, as opposed to the movie, Mandela gave the captain, Francois Pienaar, a copy of the "The Man in the Arena" passage from President of the United States Theodore Roosevelt's speech Citizenship in a Republic instead.

So, the title of the film is wrong. The Man in the Arena would have been as good a title!

Why does Hollywood bugger about with history for no good reason?

[Eric the Shed]

Nicks right my question related to the episode - cant help thinking that Dr Who was behind the jewel heist - a to discredit the king b) to make money

Given his scheming nature why did he so freely walk with the king and not persuade him to halt his visit to Notre Dame. He probably knew the assassination attempt was a ruse !

[OSHIROmodels]

Watched episode two and still not convinced 

I've disconnected the association with the Olly Reed films (my favorite version and still the best) but it just isn't 'singing' for me. None of the actors stand out in any way and some of the acting is rather dubious.

It does look good though, sets etc but that's about it 

cheers

James

[redzed]

None of the actors stand out in any way and some of the acting is rather dubious.

all of the acting is rather dubious. And all of the script IS dubious.
You could take any of the lines and give them to any of the characters and it wouldn't make any difference.
No characterisation, mediocre plot lines and second rate film making usual BBC fare.

[Old Goat]

Certainly ain't no peaky Blinders...