are french artillery and heavy weapons crew stupid ?

[FramFramson]

I don't remember!

I could swear I typed it up and mentioned it somewhere, but maybe I'm wrong and I didn't say after all! 

EDIT: Here it is http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=69139.msg838971#msg838971

[Gothic Line]

 Great now I want to sculpt some Frenchies too...

[lou passejaire]

if you want to sculpt frenchies, try to bring us some long awaited minis :

interwar meharistes ( camel mounted and dismounted and don't forget FM24/29)

early war tirailleurs sénégalais as seen in "Force L" actions in Koufra and western desert ( and don't forget 81mm mortar, FM24/29 and hotchkiss MG ).

and mechanized infantry as seen in  north africa and syria
.
it's a niche market but ...
 

[pacofeanor]

very nice new!!!

"meharistes" and senegalese would be a very nice range, unproducted  anywhere !
(with 24 /29 LMG , Hotchkiss Mg and mortars !)

best regards
paco

[former user]

I was actually thinking of sculpting or converting legs with serouals and nails for Artizan or other figures....
In the end, one only needs a few mounted meharistes for patrol and many kneeling camels, because the fighting is done dismounted.

But I will definitely use SCW moros as substitutes for certain Armee d' Afrique troops.

[cgh]

Working on it......

[former user]

Working on it......

please explain

[cgh]

Kickstarter.  No pics at the moment as the sculptor has had problems unrelated to work and is about to go on holiday.  5 figures have been sculpted but I'm waiting for them to be painted before anything else happens.  French in short sleeves and shorts, headless with Adrian's, sun hats, kepis, senegalese and bachi as a customer choice - like Gripping Beasts French section.

Stretch goals:

Command/support (hmg and mortar)
Mounted mehariste
Troup speciales
Malagasy/Vietnamese troops
Artillery crew
Spahi

Possibly tirraileurs from Morocco and Tunisia.  Perhaps dismounted spahi/mehariste/troup speciales

But the launch is delayed until life stops interfering with the sculptor.

[former user]

wow! for WW2?

[former user]

so, admittedly WW1 related, but here are a few pictures of  the 1er RAM that provided me with new ideas and usettled my preconceptions






so, who can tell something about the white(?) tartes?
Also, apparently, the colonial units had started to wear tartes too...

[former user]

or this amazing one


does this mean that in Morocco one could put on just any kind of hat?

[pacofeanor]

Before 1914; french army use to practice giant excercices (army corps level) called "grande manoeuvres".

One army corps was the "red" ,  the other the "white". the red corps  wore it head gears just as they were (so red kepi for red corps) the other put white over head gear (kepi, "tartes" or cuirassier helmet etc .....it doesn't matter the shape evry type of troops had it own desogn of white cover ! )

So before 1914 every units of teh french army  had white covers in case of "grande manoeuvres" , not only the FFL ! (it ended with the great war !)

in 1914, the General head quarter , by a lightning of lucidity (!) , order to blueish all the white covers for infantry kepi , to hide the red colour!!!!

Mountain artillery was part of morrocan troops before 1914 as was the 14° "Bataillon de chasseur alpins", from 1913 to 1914.

In 1900 during the china expedition (pekin relief colomn) , "colonial regiments from 9° and 10° regiments were dressed with mountain equipments ("tartes", blue sash, pull overs , long capes ) for winter season in northern china. Som times ago the colonial service decided tio equiped all colonial troops serving in China and  Indochina, with "tartes".

 In 1915, all the french infantry was equiped with tartes (horizon blue for line infantry, dark blue for chasseurs or colonial troops) those "tartes" lived only one year , and were changed for a simple "bonnet de police" .But some  photographs show "tartes" in 1917 and even in 1918.

In 1918, troops for the russian campaign were dressed like there conuterparts in China with" tartes " . The tartes staued in service in China until 1940.

best regards
paco

[lou passejaire]

f****g question  

pics of 1st RAM in Morocco with black/blue tarte 1913
and a pic of the 1st RAM in Aréches ( metropolitan france ) 1911 ( even if i have some doubts, the gun barrel does not look like a 65 de montagne ) .
the "fatigue uniform" is "white" but i have not found an answer for the white tarte . But Pacofeanor has answered 

or this amazing one


does this mean that in Morocco one could put on just any kind of hat?

for that, i have an answer , yes ! the regulation is often less important during the wars ...

[former user]

wow, that was comprehensive!
merci beaucoup!

OK, so I understand, white only on manouver, otherwise dyed somehow - this might also be the reason for the various "white kepi cover"  pictures...

( even if i have some doubts, the gun barrel does not look like a 65 de montagne ) .

look closer, you can recognise the typical breech block together with the clamps for the recoil buffers