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Offline Mad Guru

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Re: Artizan NWF Next Releases?
« Reply #75 on: 24 November 2015, 09:26:01 PM »
Italwars... I think that your last comment is the best response I've ever gotten to something I posted on a gaming forum!  You are too kind and I wish you the very best of luck utilizing my post with your girlfriend!
"We shall see what wisdom lies beneath my madness!"

Offline fitterpete

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Re: Artizan NWF Next Releases?
« Reply #76 on: 01 December 2015, 11:20:38 PM »
OK next possibly stupid question
I'm starting to paint up the Sikhs.To my old eyes it looks like they have suspenders and then two cross belts holding the bag and water bottle.Is that right?
None of the other native infantry seem to have suspenders.
Thanks,Pete

Offline Bindonblood

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Re: Artizan NWF Next Releases?
« Reply #77 on: 02 December 2015, 05:03:40 PM »
Rotfl!!!

How weird is that? I was just about to ask a similar question about the Punjabis. I am not sure what is going on with the straps at the back.

I can make out two straps (one vertical and one diagonal) at the front over each shoulder but only one at the back on the left and possibly two on the right (I think..) 

Tim

Offline Hobbit

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Re: Artizan NWF Next Releases?
« Reply #78 on: 03 December 2015, 11:08:51 AM »
I started to dig through my book collection to look for info on webbing and the like to answer the above questio...and realised all that stuff is in storage.

So I then decided to turn to the great Google to try to answer the question...

and guess where Google told me the answer lies:

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=69061.0  lol lol lol
« Last Edit: 03 December 2015, 12:40:15 PM by Hobbit »

Offline Bindonblood

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Re: Artizan NWF Next Releases?
« Reply #79 on: 03 December 2015, 01:41:25 PM »
Lol!

I have read that thread before.

It helps with the British, but doesn't really help with Indian infantry.  :(

Tim

Offline sjwalker51

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Re: Artizan NWF Next Releases?
« Reply #80 on: 03 December 2015, 08:48:13 PM »
Hmmm...not sure what the Memsahib's will think of me googling "Sikhs in Suspenders"....

Offline Atheling

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Re: Artizan NWF Next Releases?
« Reply #81 on: 04 December 2015, 07:53:38 AM »
 lol lol lol

A normal day at the office?

 lol lol lol

Darrell.

Offline gtz2101

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Re: Artizan NWF Next Releases?
« Reply #82 on: 13 December 2015, 06:29:15 PM »
I thought this might be of interest to the discussion.

I was just doing a bit of research about the mixing of troops from different communities. Troops in certain Presidencies, in certain regiments and at certain times were mixed by religion and caste. Also, the approach in other units of not mixing troops came not from the fact that they could not be mixed, but rather it was contrary to imperial objectives to mix them.

The 1859 Peel Commission noted that the Madras and Bombay armies that had ignored or undercut caste and religious distinctions had not risen up and so recommended that "The Native Army should be composed of different nationalities and castes and, as a general rule, mixed promiscuously through each regiment."

By the 1880s, the army had gone the other way there were by this time a number of single caste or single religion regiments and regiments separating castes or religions by company. A number of officers opposed this approach, but it was championed by Lord Roberts, reflecting his martial races theory and experience of serving only in the Bengal Army. This was a British legitimation of existing cultural distinctions based upon Victorian theories and discourse about the importance of heredity and biological determinism. Such a discourse was important for justifying and legitimating colonialism, both for British and Indian audiences. It also provided a justification for reducing recruitment from the communities and castes that had taken part in the 1857 uprising. (Philip Mason, A Matter of Honour, and Richard Gabriel Fox, Lions of the Punjab)

There was also a crucial "divide and rule" aspect to this separation, as the Punjab Committee noted, "“As we cannot do without a large native army in India, our main object is to make that army safe; and next to the grand counterpoise of a sufficient European force comes the counterpoise of Natives against Natives. [...]To preserve that distinctiveness which is so valuable and which, while it lasts, makes the Muhammedan of one country despise, fear or dislike the Muhammedan of another, corps should in future be provincial, and adhere to the geographical limits within which differences and rivalries are strongly marked. [...] By the system thus indicated two great evils are avoided; firstly that community of feeling throughout the native army, and that mischievous political activity and intrigue which results from association with other races and travel in Indian provinces.”

 Roberts also applied his theory of martial races to Highlanders, as well as Gurkhas and Sikhs. His reports disproportionately focused on and praised the actions by and connections between these groups and became reflected in the popular narrative (eg press, written by officers acting as correspondents or fiction, eg Kipling's Drums Fore and Aft), helping create links between these groups and furthering the popular myths. As a private of the Derbyshire Regiment said, "'It's no use an English regiment trying to get on where there's a regiment with the kilts.' Although the private referred to a Highland regiment, had he been an [Indian] soldier he might have expressed similar sentiments about Gurkha or Sikh regiments [...]" (Streets, Martial Races).

Sorry, that was a bit long.





Offline Arthur

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Re: Artizan NWF Next Releases?
« Reply #83 on: 13 December 2015, 09:06:22 PM »
Very interesting.

Incidentally, here's Artizan's Billy Fish to complete the Man Who Would Be King pack :


Offline abelp01

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Re: Artizan NWF Next Releases?
« Reply #84 on: 14 December 2015, 12:14:14 AM »
That's nice! When's the pack due for release?

Offline Bindonblood

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Re: Artizan NWF Next Releases?
« Reply #85 on: 15 December 2015, 10:33:23 PM »
Wow! He has a big chopper....... ;)

Offline wulfgar22

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Re: Artizan NWF Next Releases?
« Reply #86 on: 16 December 2015, 06:13:54 PM »
That's nice! When's the pack due for release?

They're out now!

Offline Arthur

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« Reply #87 on: 17 December 2015, 12:03:30 AM »

Offline Harry Faversham

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Re: Artizan NWF Next Releases?
« Reply #88 on: 17 December 2015, 09:08:50 AM »
Yep :



http://www.artizandesigns.com/prod.php?prod=2031

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In the ranks of death you will find him


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Offline gtz2101

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Re: Artizan NWF Next Releases?
« Reply #89 on: 19 December 2015, 06:37:19 PM »
Very nice!

I'm looking forward to the Osprey TMWWBK rules.

 

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