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Offline Ray Earle

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Re: Plastic British Infantry update.
« Reply #15 on: 29 March 2016, 10:35:17 PM »
? Some kind of East European (or Welsh?) company that I've not heard of?

The men who would be King, a colonial version of the Lion rampant ruleset. Due for a release around September, I think.
Ray.

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Offline Metternich

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Re: Plastic British Infantry update.
« Reply #16 on: 29 March 2016, 11:02:47 PM »
Wow.  Summed up in one word.

Offline Atheling

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Re: Plastic British Infantry update.
« Reply #17 on: 30 March 2016, 08:29:17 AM »
''These will be part of a range we’re calling ‘Victoria’s Little Wars’ (VLW) and include occasional dips into various smaller wars of her reign. ''

I like this, rather than do full ranges, just fill in gaps here and there

This has got me boiling with excitement!!!

Time to flog off my unpainted Artizan NWF mini's!!

And the Cape Wars too....... it's X-mas in March (OK, April at Salute- and I won't be there  :'( )

Darrell.

Offline rha.celt

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Re: Plastic British Infantry update.
« Reply #18 on: 30 March 2016, 01:50:51 PM »
I wonder how well they will mix with the Warlord and Empress figures.  I need a company of rifles for my Zulu War battles.

Offline guitarheroandy

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Re: Plastic British Infantry update.
« Reply #19 on: 30 March 2016, 03:48:21 PM »
Oh, I say... :o :-* :o

Hmmm...Repeat after me...

"I do not need any more NW Frontier models, as I already have lots painted and a fairly large pile still to do..I do not need any more NW Frontier models, as I already have lots painted and a fairly large pile still to do..I do not need any more NW Frontier models, as I already have lots painted and a .... oh... b*gger..."

*Sigh* More expense...those Pathans especially... *drool*


Offline draxx66

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Re: Plastic British Infantry update.
« Reply #20 on: 30 March 2016, 05:18:17 PM »
Have to admit I agree with the call for plastic Pathans, if they did them with an option for musket types and rifles types the range of options of periods would be quite large.  :o

Just my opinion feel free to ignore.

Offline abelp01

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Re: Plastic British Infantry update.
« Reply #21 on: 30 March 2016, 05:23:40 PM »
Hear! Hear!

Offline guitarheroandy

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Re: Plastic British Infantry update.
« Reply #22 on: 30 March 2016, 07:14:46 PM »
Yes...the logic of Brits in plastic and Pathans in metal is odd, as you need at least 3 times as many Pathans as Brits in most Colonial rules... Oh well...  :D

Offline Sir_Theo

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Re: Plastic British Infantry update.
« Reply #23 on: 30 March 2016, 07:19:30 PM »
I was tempted to pick up a small amount of colonial type figures when The Men Who Would Be King comes out. These and the Mahdiist plastics should do nicely!

Offline Captain Blood

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Re: Plastic British Infantry update.
« Reply #24 on: 30 March 2016, 07:21:20 PM »
Well the production of Perry figures in metal, has never been a bar to the same subject later appearing in plastic, as the current plastic HYW releases show. So fingers crossed. I've long had pathans pegged as an absolutely ideal subject for a plastic boxed set, so I still think it'll happen. Truly.

Offline RedRowan

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Re: Plastic British Infantry update.
« Reply #25 on: 31 March 2016, 07:35:00 AM »
I think maybe that the release of the metal Pathans is so people with an interest in the NWF have some oponents for the plastic British. Even if they showed greens for plastic Pathans at Salute, we would be looking at maybe a year before they where released.

Steve

Offline Paul Hicks

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Re: Plastic British Infantry update.
« Reply #26 on: 31 March 2016, 08:20:16 AM »
I think maybe that the release of the metal Pathans is so people with an interest in the NWF have some oponents for the plastic British. Even if they showed greens for plastic Pathans at Salute, we would be looking at maybe a year before they where released.

Steve

Exactly what I thought.

Offline ARKOUDAKI

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Re: Plastic British Infantry update.
« Reply #27 on: 31 March 2016, 03:24:14 PM »
Plastic and more plastic please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, I think it is time for the Twins to step up the plastics production with an aim for six (6) boxes released per year, which is doable. The boys left GW and now Perry is their full time job, so time to strike while the iron is hot and we - us aging wargamers, modelers, collectors, etc - still have the ability to buy these beauties.

So yes, plastic Afghans with a vast array of weapon arms (muskets, jezails, enfield, martini-henry, swords, etc) are a MUST!!!!!!!!!! And as everyone has said, you need loads of the buggers to kill off. So like the Sudan range where Michael did a really nice box of plastic Madhists, a box of Afghans would be a clear winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, onto other essential box sets.

In the Nap category, it has long been a complete no-brainer to release pre-1812 French ....why this hasn't been done yet amazes me!!!!!!!!!!!! So far we have French (post-1812), Austrians, Russians, Prussians, and British in plastic. To fill the gap, a box of Portuguese and Spanish would be useful...but the pre-1812 French really is needed.

What is also needed is more conversion sets, like the Twins have done in metal for the WW2 ranges...different heads/hats can really extend the versatality of a range and increase sales!!!!!!! So a metal conversion set to make Russian Grenadiers, as the plastic box previously promised clearly isn't going to materialize...it disappeared with the Prussian Reservists. I also wonder why the Twins don't take approach taken by Victrix and Warlord, and use the same bodies but include a separate sprue of different heads. For example, get Peter Dennis to do some new artwork for a box of Russian Nap Grenadiers, and then include the normal sprues for the Russian Infantry less the existing heads and replace them with Grenadier heads??? Or just put a pack of metal Grenadier heads in the box. I would do this for all their ranges but you would sell more of the base figures this way! Just a suggestion that I have already shared with the Twins many times to increase sales and reduce costs and use of their resources (they can only sculpt so much in a day you know  ;D )

We also need some cavalry to round things up. So far we have French Cuirassiers/Carabiniers, Hussars (one of their best boxes in my opinion only let down by not having arm options - but can be fixed with knife and putty!), Dragoons (post-1812). What we are clearly missing is a box of the most basic cavalry type, Chasseurs a Cheval....which also easily makes into Line Lancers using a lot of the same gear. Warlord figured this one out...but the quality of their plastics continues to disappoint. Some people like them but for me, they just don't do it.

Sticking with Nap Cav, for the British we know have both Hussars and Lt Dragoons. Some people want Heavy Dragoons but I think that these are best served in metal, as there wasn't a whole lot of them compared to Hussars and Lt Dragoons.

For other Nap combatants we have nothing else....and perhaps it will stay that way...although I wish it wouldn't. I still want to see a box of plastic Bavarians!!!!!!!!!! pretty please.... ;)

Now with the Perry's ACW Artillery release I was hoping they would do some artillery for other periods, namely Naps...but so far nothing...and the Victrix ones look okay but are darn expensive to the point of why not just buy the metal versions and save time on putting them together. Again, to each his/her own. Yet, I do hope the Twins do some Nap Artillery.

That said, the priority for me is getting out the missing bits: French Chasseurs a Cheval, pre-1812 French Dragoons (I recall Alan telling me when he did the post-1812 ones that he did the early version masters too...), French Line Lancers (using the Chasseurs horses and such)....oh, and of course, a box of pre-1812 French Infantry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Moving on to other periods...

Medievals: well, all that I see missing is some French Cavalry for the 100 Year War range, and this is a MUST to complete this. After that, there is enough Medieval plastic out there to keep people busy for a while.

Colonial: as this thread says, the Twins will be releasing their British Colonial Infantry at Salute next month...and the figs for the Zulu War time frame will be thereafter. A box of plastic Pathans would be a clear winner...so let's not delay but get on with it. As for other nations, the only other conflict that lends itself to plastic would be the Zulu Wars (you need good quality plastic Zulus in mass); Sikhs for the Sikh Wars (but I seriously doubt this will happen in my lifetime); or perhaps a box of generic Boers, which could have a lot of uses if done properly...but probably better done in metal.

WW2: Aside from Michael's two boxes for N Afrika...nothing since in plastic. Loads of metal bits keep appearing, so the interest and demand must be there...so perhaps we will get lucky and Michael will do more in this area.

ACW: Well, aside from the promised Union charging figs we pretty much have it all.... I do hope the plastic Generals figs sprues will be on sale individually one day soon, as this would be a nice fig to have.

AWI: Not sure if the demand is there for other plastics in this area...would of course love to see more but don't know about the demand. Wargames Factory tried to cover this with 5 boxes but I was very unimpressed by their quality.

That is the problem, if you like the Perry's sculpting style then it pretty much ruins you for other manufacturers, and turns you into a fanboy/girl....so be it!

Did I leave anything out in plastic that needs doing???
« Last Edit: 31 March 2016, 03:29:33 PM by ARKOUDAKI »

Offline Eclaireur

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Re: Plastic British Infantry update.
« Reply #28 on: 31 March 2016, 04:01:02 PM »
It's a great thing to see those Afghan sculpts ...  ;D And to hear that the Plastic Brits could be out for Salute.

Full disclosure: I've known the Perry twins for quite a few years now, gamed with them, and contributed historical research for some of their ranges. I love their work :-* ...but equally have been quite open about limitations or issues when I've seen them.

@Atheling - yes I agree about Artizan. I applaud them for their 2nd AW range but the sculpting really isn't in the same class as Perry Mins.
@Rha.celt - they work just fine with Empress but I don't know about Warlord.

@abelp01 & others who want plastic Pathans...
I've had this discussion with Mike P - pointing out as some of you do, that a large tribal army benefits from the multiplicity of poses & ease of conversion that come with plastic. They had even looked at doing a box of plastic Afghans with a range of weapons from jezzails to bolt action rifles to Kalashnikovs to give them the broadest possible market appeal. And this hints at the problem - selling enough to justify the costs of tooling up for plastic. I believe that the plastic Mahdists are not among the company's best sellers...
Now I've seen Mike's (fab!!!) Afghan sculpts, I see other issues too. The type of tribal dress he's sculpted, with that skirted top, really isn't suitable for recent history. It's come from early to mid nineteenth century travellers' illustrations that Mike & Alan first consulted when sculpting their Foundry Pathans. It's clearly accurate for the 19th Century. The salwar kameez type dress worn on the frontier for the last 75+ years is different - and actually much closer to the dress Empress have sculpted for their Jazz Age Afghans.
Mike suggested to me some time back that he was working on 'a few boxes' of metal Afghans, and now we see the results. How much further he will go must depend at least in part on sales. So we will all have to convert some of our online excitement into hard cash for the thing to really get going.
And of course the investment in his two boxes of plastic British infantry - for South Africa and India - must already be considerable. So it will be fascinating to see whether putting this premium product out there stimulates the broader market.
EC       

Offline Kommando_J

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Re: Plastic British Infantry update.
« Reply #29 on: 31 March 2016, 07:17:56 PM »
''I believe that the plastic Mahdists are not among the company's best sellers...''

This does not surprise me, they are very much a one shot product, while I have seen some nice conversions to most they'd be worthless for other conflicts that aren't late nineteenth century Sudan related...I blame the Jellabiyas.

With the flexibility of the new plastic kit it would seem they have learned form past errors, I say they should next go for something more generic like Chinese peasants for the Opium wars, could be used for western/victorian/steampunk and pulp.

I wrote on their facebook page that i'd love to see some Chinese officials/officers that aren't just based off Fu Manchu.





 

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