SPOILER ALERT! So am I the only one excited about a new round of GoT?

[TheBlackCrane]

My two cents - Sansa ends up on the Iron Throne. The entire arc for her has been how she's gone from being naive to learning to be ruthless, and the whole 'What about the North?' question suggested all is not going to go well there... (Edit: apologies if someone has already suggested this - I haven't read the entire 27 pages of the thread!  )


As for the last episode, I find it hard to get all that wound up about it all as a piece of fiction really! Granted people want to see realism and so forth, but we are talking dragons, zombies and so forth here, so I can forgive silly tactics and apparently dark footage and so forth 

Personally I've been far more interested in the war for the Iron Throne anyway than the war against the Night King. The Golden Company turning up is interesting given it has a very different direction in A Dance with Dragons.

Mind you - I've been waiting for the next book, The Winds of Winter, since 2011 - I figure (and hope) that the battle for Winterfell and the war against the Night King may well be fleshed out a lot more than any tv series can really do.

[AKULA]

The Golden Company turning up is interesting given it has a very different direction in A Dance with Dragons.

I’m looking forward to seeing them...the only shots so far have been pretty distant...like Cersei I’m disappointed at the lack of elephants.

 

[Hammers]

Lordy...

So what's the rest ofya's verdict of episode 4?

[Belligerentparrot]

Lordy...

So what's the rest ofya's verdict of episode 4?

SPOILERS!!


Thought it was great. Pleased Greyworm survived the battle against the night king now - he is going to seriously fuck up some Lannisters in the next couple of episodes 

Tyrion/Varys subplot has promise. As does Bronn/Lannister bros plot - Bronn's reason for his current course is now open to reversal. Not sure where Arya/Hound subplot is going.

I'm sure a lot of people will be complaining about the silliness of failing to spot a large fleet on a clear day when flying on a dragon, but the surprise was pretty shocking to me at least so I don't care abt the silliness.

Woooooo two episodes to go until I finally find out how the story might end!

[AKULA]

SPOILERS. 

Lordy...

So what's the rest ofya's verdict of episode 4?

Hell yes!!!

I’d agree with BP that the Tyrion/Varys subplot is v.interesting - am surprised that Tyrion wasn’t peppered with arrows at the end, and I fully expect Varys to be toast in the next episode as Dany goes full Targaryen....

This week’s (probably well wide of the mark prediction)....Varys tries to stop Dany incinerating Kings Landing, and ends up getting burnt, Dany attacks Kings Landing with her dragon, gets peppered by the Scorpion ballistas and dies, Arya kills Cersei while the Hound fights the Mountain, then Jon finally arrives to find Dany and Cersei dead, Kings Landing a smouldering pile of ashes and then spends the final Episode brooding.

[Captain Blood]

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I enjoyed it. More skullduggery and politics, with some good dialogue. ‘She’s hateful - and so am I’. Nice.

But really, the whole teleportation thing is in full flood again - one minute the half drowned survivors of the Euron Greyjoy’s ‘ambush’ are hauling themselves ashore on a beach near King’s Landing. Next scene they’re all reunited and dry in council back at Dragonstone like nothing’s happened...

And honestly - what is the point of dragons if they are that easy to kill? Doesn’t it just undermine the entire point of the story?

And again, the whole military tactics thing has just been fried on the altar of storytelling expediency. So Dany would ride her dragon straight towards Euron’s ships and into the teeth of his giant, dragon-killing crossbows, but wouldn’t fly around behind them with her air superior manouverability, and unleash dragon fire on the whole fleet?
I appreciate the story needs to be served, but it surely needs to cling onto some kind of internal logic, otherwise it just becomes nonsensical.

It’s still great - looks great, great characters, great lines, great overall story - but the glaring plot conveniences, teleporting, ridiculous non-tactics, and general preposterousness of how events unfold are getting increasingly silly, and feel at odds with the kind of gritty believability (for a fantasy story) of the first few seasons.

So - still enjoying the ride, but despite myself, getting increasingly disenchanted with all the short cuts and daft, illogical occurrences... 

[AKULA]

It’s still great - looks great, great characters, great lines, great overall story - but the glaring plot conveniences, teleporting, ridiculous non-tactics, and general preposterousness of how events unfold are getting increasingly silly, and feel at odds with the kind of gritty believability (for a fantasy story) of the first few seasons.

So - still enjoying the ride, but despite myself, getting increasingly disenchanted with all the short cuts and daft, illogical occurrences... 

Hmmm....should I mention to Captain Blood that Winterfell has a Starbucks....?



 

[Emir of Askaristan]

"....... but wouldn’t fly around behind them with her air superior manouverability, and unleash dragon fire on the whole fleet? ......"

Actually that would have been a far better plot twist than some of them 

It is daft thing at times. It's a good daft thing though. We're all still watching.

Oh..and my bet.....Sansa on the throne....or it gets destroyed so there is no throne and the north wields the power under Sansa, till everyone gets p*ssed off with her and...so it continues. No happy ending. 

[AKULA]

Oh..and my bet.....Sansa on the throne....or it gets destroyed so there is no throne and the north wields the power under Sansa, till everyone gets p*ssed off with her and...so it continues. No happy ending. 

Good call.....of course if Cersei, Dany and Jon die....then Gendry would have a strong claim to be the rightful king, so Arya would have to kill him so Sansa could takeover ....or Tyrion takes over....or Tyrion marries Sansa....

Have we covered every possibility yet?

 

[Will Bailie]

Why do certain characters think that Jon would be a better ruler than Dany?  Sure, he's a nice guy, honorable and likable, but he has a pretty deplorable track record when it comes to making good decisions, listening or consulting with advisors, acting impetuously, reading the mood of his team (see:  getting murdered by mutinous Crows) and relying on a combination of luck and Deus Ex (or other, wiser characters) to save the day and his sorry ass.

Dany certainly isn't perfect, but she seems to have a better history of leadership than Jonny.

[Captain Blood]

Yep. I’m still sticking with Sansa and Tyrion on the Iron Throne. Stark and Lannister united at last. The two characters who have come on the longest journey of personal discovery, etc etc 

Yes, I heard about the Starbucks coffee cup but hadn’t spotted it myself. Was it really that obvious? 
I shall have to rewatch.

[Hobgoblin]

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I enjoyed it. More skullduggery and politics, with some good dialogue. ‘She’s hateful - and so am I’. Nice.

But really, the whole teleportation thing is in full flood again - one minute the half drowned survivors of the Euron Greyjoy’s ‘ambush’ are hauling themselves ashore on a beach near King’s Landing. Next scene they’re all reunited and dry in council back at Dragonstone like nothing’s happened...

I agree on both points. It was a good episode for the "game of thrones" aspect of GoT, which is ultimately more satisfying than the "winter is coming" side of things.

But the plot holes ... Surely the biggest one is Cersei's pregnancy? Given the number of north-south journeys made since the child's conception, it's hard to see how (a) she isn't showing much more and (b) Euron can possibly believe that it's his.

Euron, of course, is the show's biggest missed opportunity. The book character's more like Darth Vader than a cavorting pantomime pirate - but we get the latter. It's been like this since he was introduced: the showrunners chose to replace that marvellous line about serving ten thousand gods ("From Ib to Asshai, when men see my sails, they pray") with "I'm going to find the queen and giver her my big cock". Not the best bit of adaptation ...

[Hupp n at em]

The dragon death felt a little cheap to me, and the parlay scene seemed really one-sided considering what Dany+co brought to the negotiations.  That aside, I was satisfied with the episode.  Hoping for quite a bit of payoff in episode 5, and I remain pretty curious what plot threads will keep us on seat's-edge from Ep 5 end-Ep 6.

[Belligerentparrot]

SPOILERS!!!
 the whole teleportation thing is in full flood again - one minute the half drowned survivors of the Euron Greyjoy’s ‘ambush’ are hauling themselves ashore on a beach near King’s Landing. Next scene they’re all reunited and dry in council back at Dragonstone like nothing’s happened...

I thought the ambush took place before Dragonstone? Will have to watch again to check, but they were supposed to be sailing there before linking up with Jon at Kings Landing.

[Dr. Zombie]

I likes this episode. But the claws sure did come out fast. Now that humanity is safe from the Night king.

I feel that the real unsung heroes of the battle of Winterfell. Are the poor bastards who cleaned up the whole mess seemingly overnight. Imagine surviving a battle where you fight a bazillion dead. Clean it all up. Have a night of drunken debauchery. And still get up early to shovel snow so that Arya and the Hound can have a nice ride south.

Not all heroes wear capes indeed.