ECW Flag and some Foot Unit help

[Captain Gideon]

I've been into the English Civil War for sometime now.

First off painting the Foot and Horse Units are slowly coming along and I have some information on what Foot and Horse Units for both sides but I need help.

Now what I need is as follows:
List of what Foot and Horse fought on both sides
A good source of Flag information for both sides as well

Any help you can provide will be grateful.

Please post info here or just PM me.

Thanks
Michael

[WFGamers]

Hi Michael,

List of what Foot and Horse fought on both sides

I am not sure what you mean here? If you mean the names of the units then this is a useful site - http://wiki.bcw-project.org/start. This is very much a work in progress but also you should bear in mind that we really have very little information on the units from this period.

If you don't mean this then what do you mean?

A good source of Flag information for both sides as well

The above website have the flags for some units but again the flags of the vast majority of units are unknown. Unfortunately even quite a lot of those 'known' are really just made up by some one.

Have a look at the documents on the page (http://www.baccus6mm.com/PaintingGuides/ECW/) as they give a good overview of what we actually know.

I hope this helps

[Sparrow]

Caliver books provide an excellent suggested book list for those getting into ECW. The best thing I can suggest is that you have a look at this and then you can start properly digging into this fascinating period.

[sukhe_bator]

I'd second Sparrow's suggestion of the Caliver books. They have an excellent series, depending on how deep you want to get into the period.
I'm curious though, do you have a particular period  - 1st, 2nd or 3rd CW in mind, England v Scotland, or a particular locality/region of the UK where your interests lie? That would greatly help narrow down the flags and armies/forces involved...
What sort of wargaming do you want to do - big set piece battles, or smaller scale clashes and skirmishes, sieges? somewhat akin to the Medieval encounters listed in the Lion Rampant rules?
Also the figure selection greatly depends on what period since the equipment changed quite rapidly...

[has.been]

As well as the existing suggestions, may I recommend the Sealed Knot web site. They do ECW re-enactment & have useful information/photos etc.

[sukhe_bator]

For instance,
when I dabbled in ECW a few years ago, having relocated from staunch Eastern Association East Anglia to the eastern edge of Surrey, I became particularly interested in Gen. Sir Will. Waller and the Southern Association and Parliamentarian activity around the Surrey, Sussex, and Hampshire area. This included the siege of Basing house and clashes around Arundel, Southampton, Farnham, Winchester and Alton.
This significantly dictated the units I wished to represent and helped determine the coat colours I used and the ensigns I made. It also helped determine the likely opposition and in turn their uniforms and colours.
The second major factor was the rules used and the proportions of infantry types, pike and shot etc. There's nothing worse than finding you've collected the wrong proportion of figures

[Captain Gideon]

First off WFGamers I was looking for a list of the units both Foot and Horse that fought for the Royalist  side and those that fought for Parliment.

To expand upon that I was looking for the name of the commander for each unit and if at all possible the name of the Regt for example the only one I have which Partizan Press did a book in 1987 was called The Farnham Greencoats Samuel Jones Regiment of Foot.

I understand about many of the Flags for the units and that there's no information for many Flags and I know that whatever units I finally choose may have made up Flags.

One such unit which is a made up Regt now the coat color is a Blue color(Lt Blue of a sort) well I was trying to figure out what unit I wanted it to be so a friend suggested that I name it for myself or something like that.

So here's what I did I came up with the title Lord Price The Earl of Folsom and the Flag which a friend is working on will be a Grey Flag with the image of Michael the ArchAngel on it,and I also painted up a mounted figure to be me on the battlefield as well.

Now I don't know what to call my Foot Unit yet maybe you can help me out on that and the color of the Flag I've not fully decided that it will be Grey yet.

A little background of the above my last name is Price and I live in San Francisco CA in the U.S. and the street I live on is Folsom St so that's how I came up with the above info.

Sparrow I have a fair number of English Civil War books at this time it's a mix of Osprey and other books including some of the Partizan Press books including a fair number of the English Civil War notes and queries books.

sukhe_bator regarding a particular period mostly I've started with the 1st Civil War since many of the books deal with that period like Osprey's Edgehill and Naseby books but I also have Marston Moor as well so you might say that I have interest in the whole thing.

As for Wargaming over the years I've gamed in many different Historical periods like the Napoleonic Period,Ancients and Samurai as well as several Naval periods.

Over the years I've gamed big Battles like Waterloo and Aspern-Essling and I've also done smaller clashes and skirmishes but sieges I've never done.

With the Engish Civil War which I've only done(so far)one game where each side had 8 or 9 Foot Units,4 Horse Units and some Artillery and this is the limit that we've done since the table limits what we can do but I'm happy with this size.

The scale I use is 28mm and the rules are Warlord Games Pike and Shotte(I think that's what they're called).

Now I don't mind going somewhat larger it all depends on the table size.

Finally this all came about because of the movie Cromwell with Richard Harris after seeing it several times I got a copy of the movie and thought this might be an interesting period to work in plus the fact that the figures are bigger and easier to paint than 15mm although I'm not painting wiz but the figures are'nt bad and I do like painting them.

You could say that this is an ongoing thing and I'm not finished yet.

Michael

[Sparrow]

Quick thought - get a copy of the last version of the Forlorn Hope rules. You may/may not like the rules (I do as it happens) but the details re army appearance etc in the appendices will be quite useful to you if starting out. They certainly kill off some of the myths still beloved by some wargamers and re-enactors - hope this helps.

[Captain Gideon]

Sparrow I do happen to have a copy of the Forlorn Hope rules which is 1991 so would that be the last version?

The rules I don't know too well and they look interesting but at this time I'm focused with the Warlord Games rules right now so we'll see what happens.

Michael

[Codsticker]

Now what I need is as follows:
List of what Foot and Horse fought on both sides
A good source of Flag information for both sides as well

Thanks
Michael

I think this is what you are after. There is some info of flags and coat colour (ie, very little as that is what is known) but a good list of regiments of all types for the various belligerents.

[Captain Gideon]

Codsticker might you know of places that might be able to help me out?

Michael

[Codsticker]

Sorry, the link is in this quote:

I think this is what you are after.

[westwaller]

It might be worth getting hold of Peachy & Princes Flags & Colours vol 1 : English Foot published by Partizan press. Its a bit dense, and not a quick read, but has good info.

Also look out for Lawrence Springs ' Wallers Army- The Regiments of Sir William Waller's Southern Association which has drawings of some known Calvary cornets, and coat colours for regiments where known. This is published by the pike and shot society.

[Captain Gideon]

westwaller I recently acquired that book and I'll keep an eye out for the other book.

Michael

[sukhe_bator]

Captain Gideon,
These volumes were what I used to compile the information on my old ECW collection... Back in the day I was interested in the Cavalry Cornets, but since these were so small I hand-painted them overscale. Nowadays its possible to get them commercially or printed and reduced to accurate scale, though this would take all the fun out of it for me.
All I would say is my reading suggests the Kentish and many of the less well known infantry contingents are likely on balance to have had red coats. Jones's Farnham greencoats were something of an anomaly. Waller's were blue if I recall. The visually more interesting Whitecoats etc seem to have been more of a feature of Northern Regts.
Either way the hard core of the Parliamentarian regional forces were usually chronically under strength and stiffened by periodic levies from the London Trained Bands. I depicted these in buffcoats or bog standard coat colours and with a higher ratio of firelocks to pike. My friend and I used 'Forlorn Hope' in occasional very enjoyable games.