Tawny & Murray colourblindness

[Stuart]

Hello fellow LAFsketeers

Your collective opinion, what colour are tawny and murrey in heraldry and flags, banners etc?

I can't find consensus which probably means it varied but I value your opinions

Thanks

Stuart

[HerbyF]

I have no idea what murrey is. But I believe tawny is a yellow/brown, not golden, but more of a tan or ochre.

[OSHIROmodels]

I always thought murrey was a sort of light, dirty red 

cheers

James

[sukhe_bator]

Its an heraldic 'stain' more a maroon colour, halfway between red and purple
Tawney is derived from the Anglo Saxon for tan-coloured, but with a sort of a gingery orange tinge

[YPU]

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Tawney is derived from the Anglo Saxon for tan-coloured, but with a sort of a gingery orange tinge

Like tawney owls?

[sukhe_bator]

exactly!

[Tactalvanic]

My googlefoo

says things like:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=DmV8CgAAQBAJ&pg=PT73&lpg=PT73&dq=heraldry+murrey+examples&source=bl&ots=aBKP7VHd4S&sig=DPqJOIRT5sWt5FABZDzRyazkf3g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi0y-Lb3_zNAhUkBcAKHTOkBdMQ6AEISjAI#v=onepage&q=heraldry%20murrey%20examples&f=false


http://patrickbaty.co.uk/2011/11/05/heraldic-colours/

or

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/vxt-h1.html

[sukhe_bator]

Close enough, and given Medieval dyeing tech was not as colour-fast and prone to fading, a number of shades in between would be quite permissible.

[Stuart]

Thanks all

Here's the banner of the Marquis of Dorset, white over murray

[Hu Rhu]

Great painting on that banner what ever the colour.  However I thought that Murrey was dark wine red based on the colour of mulberries.

[rampantlion]

I was under the impression that Tawny was a kind of dull orange or burnt orange and Murrey was a dark reddish purple or burgundy color.

[Stuart]

Thanks Hu Ru it's a wine red but perhaps more of a Beaujolais 

[Captain Blood]

Orange and claret.

[Stuart]

Is that French sangria ?

[sukhe_bator]

You can't hurry a murrey!