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Author Topic: Any Latin scholars? Requesting a bit of help with labels.  (Read 1687 times)

Offline Richard in Sachsen

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Any Latin scholars? Requesting a bit of help with labels.
« on: August 10, 2016, 06:58:37 AM »
Hello, after spending some time on my 28s, I getting back to my 6's. I'm basing my Romans today and I'm adding small labels to the bases to identify the units. I can't find anywhere in my literature or on the web how to label the cohorts in Latin, which I'd like to do. I know that they were called, simply "the first cohort," "the second cohort," etc. I just don't know which declensions to use. My labels look like this:

LEG XI CLAUDIA - P - F
I cohortem


I found something like this below, but due to space, I'd like to use numbers instead
  • primo cohortem
    secundo cohortem
    cohortis tertii
    quarta cohors
    et quinta cohors
    cohors sexta
    cohors septima
    cohors octava
    nona cohortem
    decimam cohortem
Not sure what to go with (e.g. Cohors I or I Cohortem), any advice is much appreciated.


Richard
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Offline Mad Doc Morris

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Re: Any Latin scholars? Requesting a bit of help with labels.
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2016, 07:12:04 AM »
If you're going for abbreviations already, why not use "Coh" and Roman numerals.
Otherwise nominative singular is applicable, so "Cohors (Prima, Secunda, Tertia...)".

Offline Richard in Sachsen

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Re: Any Latin scholars? Requesting a bit of help with labels.
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2016, 07:33:33 AM »
Perfect! Thanks Mad Doc, I'll do the abbreviations. That's the solution.

Thank you very much

Offline A Lot of Gaul

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Re: Any Latin scholars? Requesting a bit of help with labels.
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2016, 12:17:56 PM »
As an added bonus, 'COH' (all caps) plus the Roman numeral is the way the Romans did it, in funerary and other inscriptions.

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Scott
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Offline Richard in Sachsen

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Re: Any Latin scholars? Requesting a bit of help with labels.
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2016, 08:31:07 AM »
Thanks, Obelix! I followed that suggestion and got seven cohorts based (I ran out of legionnaires for the other three  :o, time to order from Baccus.) I think I ran out as I put 18 strips on the first cohort and the regular nine on the others.

That really helped, thanks

Offline FierceKitty

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Re: Any Latin scholars? Requesting a bit of help with labels.
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2016, 12:55:30 PM »
The Romans commonly used the accusative case in titles and the like. Thus Vergil's epic was known as the Aeneidos. I imagine ancient Roman wargamers would have followed a similar practice. But it's also true, they were very given to using contracted forms.
Thanks for an unusual question. :)
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Offline Mad Doc Morris

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Re: Any Latin scholars? Requesting a bit of help with labels.
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2016, 01:28:28 PM »
The Romans commonly used the accusative case in titles and the like. Thus Vergil's epic was known as the Aeneidos. I imagine ancient Roman wargamers would have followed a similar practice. But it's also true, they were very given to using contracted forms.

Hm, never heard of this before. Any source?
IIRC, Aeneidos is the genitive (sg.) form of the Greek loanword Aeneis.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2016, 01:33:14 PM by Mad Doc Morris »

Offline FierceKitty

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Re: Any Latin scholars? Requesting a bit of help with labels.
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2016, 04:55:30 PM »
My days as a Latin scholar lie decades in the distant past, I fear.

Offline Moshes

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Re: Any Latin scholars? Requesting a bit of help with labels.
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2016, 06:19:38 AM »
Just my two cents.

Nominative case works fine for naming the units, as prima cohors, secunda cohors, and so on.
Accusative is used when the word is the object of a sentence, like Caesar primam cohortem iuvat, Caesar sends the first Cohors.
Other cases are meant to be use as prepositional constructions, as Vorennus in prima Cohortis est, Vorennus is in the first Cohors, Caesar auream aquilam ex prima Cohortis davit, Caesar gave a golden aquila from the first Cohors.

For wargaming purposes, I think the most sensible option is to use always the nominative, which go as prima, secunda, tertia, quarta, quinta, sexta, septima, octava, nona et decima Cohors. The plural of Cohors is Cohortes, so if you want to name two or more cohors at once use it, as prima et quinta Cohortes, the first and fifth Cohors.

I hope you find it useful, Richard.

Offline Richard in Sachsen

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Re: Any Latin scholars? Requesting a bit of help with labels.
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2016, 09:48:05 AM »
Thank you Moshe,

Yes, that is extremely useful. I followed the advice upthread and used the nominative with abbreviations. They turned out great!

Thanks everyone

 

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