The LAF Games Workshop Discussion Thread

[Mason]

Think they are a box set of 3 for 60 GBPs.

Looking at them compared to the Stormcast archers... they are massive models... which is another reason I so grove with these minis. At 40mm all the AoS models are quite massive. This allows me to paint every little detail without my eyes bleeding. They have upwards to double the surface to paint but because of their size it means even if I paint my heros exactly the same way as my normal troops they just pop right out as being what they are... heros. So you don't have to given them special treatment, just paint them like your normal troops and if you have a level of painting quality better than novice they come looking spectacular.

I finished my Prosecutors and they look awesome. I am working on Lord Relictor and there is just no doubt that he is a Hero mini (the detail is amazing), and you will be able to tell that instantly when you plop them on the table top because even at a distance they just scream at you for attention.

AoS is my first foray into both fantasy and skirmish gaming and my feeling is that GW is going to redefine how folks view skirmish fantasy wargaming. I mean if you are going to paint up only a limited amount of miniatures (a warband), why go with 28mm? You paint them up nice and they get lost in all the terrain. That won't happen with AoS.

I may have to take a look if they are more 40mm scale....I have plans to do 40mm in the future as my eyes are struggling enough with painting 28's these days.
I wont be playing AoS as I really do not like the look or the concept but there may be something in the range that I can convert and use, though.
Oh, and I wont be paying those prices either, but that is what ebay is there for.
 

One thing: If they are mostly 40mm, how do the old 28's from the Warhammer range fit it and are they going to keep making the larger models and gradually fade out the older, smaller stuff??
 

[Rhoderic]

my feeling is that GW is going to redefine how folks view skirmish fantasy wargaming. I mean if you are going to paint up only a limited amount of miniatures (a warband), why go with 28mm? You paint them up nice and they get lost in all the terrain. That won't happen with AoS.

The larger-than-human Sigmarines and new Chaos warriors are just GW trying to imitate WarmaHordes. Privateer Press started setting that trend 12-13 years ago.

GW ceased being the company with the power to redefine wargaming some time back. Other companies and other people are doing that now, in a (thankfully!) more decentralised manner. GW still enjoys a special position in the industry in regard to having its own stores, a "venerable" (if terribly mismanaged) brand and much of the market share, but where trend-setting is concerned, it's just another mook in the conga line nowadays.

[Ray Rivers]

One thing: If they are mostly 40mm, how do the old 28's from the Warhammer range fit it and are they going to keep making the larger models and gradually fade out the older, smaller stuff??

They are definitely 40mm. These minis are not designed to "fit in." Warhammer as everyone knows it is gone... forever.

Look at this photo of Lord Relictor. The bone in his leg and the skeleton in his banner would equate to 28mm:



I believe the general plan by GW is to phase out the older Warhammer miniatures as they get sold out.

Of note, there have been posted images of a new Dwarfs sprue that GW has slipped inside some folks online purchases. It is pretty obvious the new Dwarfs will dwarf the old dwarfs. They are called Fyreslayers and the detail is astonishing.

There is also a new Tzeentch Gaunt Summoner coming out next year. I'd post a link but I'm tired of folks given me cr@p.

[Cubs]

... sigh ...

[Ray Rivers]

... sigh ...

 

One has to also re-orient your thinking when it comes to the new system in AoS as regards to warbands.

Before, in Warhammer, you would select a faction, such as Empire, and then build a massive army. That concept went out the window with AoS.

Now, you can "bring whatever you want" to the table. Meaning, not some massive army of skeletons vs a handful of Stormcast Eternals, but a group of minis all belonging to the same alliance (Chaos, Death, Destruction, Order). So you can choose whatever minis you want to be in your warband, they just need to be from the same alliance. So, for example, if you choose Chaos you can bring minis from Khorne, Skaven, Orcs, etc. That is how the game works and that is how the GW website is set-up. Of course, if you build a specific Warband, you get special bonuses, but you don't have to do that if you don't want.

You know there is so much mis-information and utter garbage being posted about AoS on the net. But if the net was always so good at evaluating things, Ron Paul would be the President of the United States. 

That's it for now... can't post on this thread for long before one gets utterly exhausted from all the griefers, trolls and GW haters.

[Rhoderic]

That's it for now... can't post on this thread for long before one gets utterly exhausted from all the griefers, trolls and GW haters.

Let's take it easy, here. "Trolls" is a serious accusation. Trolls are bad people indeed - malicious people who participate in forum discussions for the sole purpose of engendering discord and resentment. I see none of their ilk in this discussion so far.

The "griefing" and "GW hating" is just a large number of individuals who are all, independently of each other, disillusioned with GW and discussing that fact amongst themselves and other hobbyists (any and all of whom are allowed to have dissenting opinions). The fact that there's so many of us says more about GW than it says about us.

[Elbows]

I also think it's safe to say the vast majority of the people who are not fans of GW have been GW players before.  My best friend used to manage a GW retail location here in the states.  My entire group was 40K...including staying locked in at the mall on week nights playing huge 10,000 pt. games until three in the morning.

No one in that group plays 40K, Warhammer Fantasy or AOS now.  I've said it before, we'd all like to see GW become sane and reasonable again.  We even got a little excited when the rumoured "Specialist" games were possibly coming back.  We'd gladly pick up Mordheim/Warhammer Quest/Necromunda etc. if they were reasonably priced.  GW has made their business decisions and they'll sink or swim based on them - it's quite obvious they're not paying a lot of attention to market research or consumer feedback.

I don't see hating or trolling here...just genuine customers who are shocked by the business decisions GW makes.  And if you can't make fun of $28 bottles of spray-paint, what can you make fun of? 

[Ray Rivers]

Let's take it easy, here. "Trolls" is a serious accusation.

Only someone who is disillusional would think that trolling does not occur on this thread. Thank God it is confined to here as well.

[richstrach]

I can never really get over GW pricing. 9 minis for $600. 

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Knights-of-Ruin

That does seem insane, I had no idea they were even pricier in NZ/Australia. In comparison, that set is £180 in the UK (about NZ$400)

[Major_Gilbear]

Think they are a box set of 3 for 60 GBPs.

Looking at them compared to the Stormcast archers... they are massive models...

Ah well, it looks like they'll be unsuitable anyway then. I appreciate the info though, thank you!

I'd post a link but I'm tired of folks given me cr@p.

That's it for now... can't post on this thread for long before one gets utterly exhausted from all the griefers, trolls and GW haters.

Only someone who is disillusional would think that trolling does not occur on this thread.

You know, many of the smack-talk comments in this thread are yours.

GW ceased being the company with the power to redefine wargaming some time back. Other companies and other people are doing that now, in a (thankfully!) more decentralised manner. GW still enjoys a special position in the industry in regard to having its own stores, a "venerable" (if terribly mismanaged) brand and much of the market share, but where trend-setting is concerned, it's just another mook in the conga line nowadays.

I feel that they still dominate in the area of making plastic kits. Love, loathe, or feel indifferent to their model designs; they are the industry leaders in making plastic figures for wargaming with. I feel that -in techincal terms- thier plastics are still generally the benchmark set for others to reach, even though many other companies are hot on their heels and closing the gap ever faster. (Although, arguably, some companies have already surpassed GW in some areas here as well).

Games-wise, I feel GW got left behind long ago. I also suspect they feel that way too, as they seem to have largely given up on making interesting games any more, and even the potential resurrection of Specialist games is more likely about protecting their IP claims and getting attention than making interesting games again.

GW has made their business decisions and they'll sink or swim based on them - it's quite obvious they're not paying a lot of attention to market research or consumer feedback.

They apparently do no market research, and listen to no customer feedback. That's why this thread is 291 pages long, and why GW are losing market share steadily every year.

[harleyface]

Thank you for posting those Dwarf pictures.
GW lost me a long time ago and those want definitly not change that...
Regarding GW.Ihave it somewhere already written but i have to say it again.
They introduced me to wargaming and it was a great time.
Maybe its just normal to change gaming habbits.
Especially here in germany its a bit difficult to play wargames.
People just dont understand it.
So GW is perfect for getting into the hobby.
Still like GW somehow but they just dont produce what i like anymore...
Im really happy there are people like you who post gw stuff
Greetings from Germany
Florian

[grant]

 But if the net was always so good at evaluating things, Ben Carson would be the President of the United States.  

Made if funnier.  

... sigh ...

Thanks for the pic. Truly, another shark-jumping moment. Awful.

Let's take it easy, here. "Trolls" is a serious accusation. Trolls are bad people indeed - malicious people who participate in forum discussions for the sole purpose of engendering discord and resentment. I see none of their ilk in this discussion so far.

Well, some of us try, but we're just not very good at it.  

[Cubs]

One has to also re-orient your thinking when it comes to the new system in AoS as regards to warbands.

It's not the numbers of figures, nor even the price for me ... it's the design. Every time I think they have peaked with over-the-top indulgence, vast hats and implausibly huge weapons, they laugh at me and say, "We haven't even got started yet!"

Thanks for sharing, it's interesting to see nonetheless.  

[harleyface]

My first wargaming mini was a gw dwarf back in the 80s

[Captain Blood]

And once again... sigh... Please let's try to keep it civil and avoid finger-pointing.

It's true. There's a lot of moaning about GW on this thread. But then, honestly - that's what it's here for.
To channel all conversations about GW, with all that attendant and inevitable negativity into one place. And stop it infecting the rest of our generally happy, positive, good-natured forum.

Perhaps we could just try to avoid the name-calling blame game either way? Thanks