The LAF Games Workshop Discussion Thread

[Cubs]

For me, it's the same as almost everything they have put out for fantasy recently - just too much. Too big, too many gubbins hanging off overly exaggerated features. It's like they have said, "turn it up to 11? Why stop there, go to 13".

Yup.

They jumped the shark years ago and have since been jumping whales.

[Major_Gilbear]

I really like that new Lord of Change - the style (even the head) is just how I hoped it would be.

That said, these untransportably-huge over-delicate models with sky-high price tags are wearing thin. Like with the Bloodthirster, if this model was about half or two-thirds the size, I would consider getting one. As it is, I would have nowhere to put/store it, and doubt I could ever transport it anywhere for a game.

[Ray Rivers]

I shudder to imagine the average 12-15 year old who gets this (somehow affording it) and tries to paint it.

This mini, like most of the stuff that GW is now putting out, is no more suitable for 12 year olds than Kingdom of Death. It is aimed at a different market.

12 year olds go for zombicide and frostgrave... easy to paint and cheap.

[Hobgoblin]

I like these demons much better than the current crop:



I especially like the left-hand "chaos demon" - he's exactly the sort of squatting monstrosity that Elric might encounter in some nest of chaos. There's a nicely painted example here. The mantis-bodied female one is excellent too - something of late-period Zarozinia about her, I think.

I'd crawl over fifty bloodthirsters just to get to one C34, and a lot of people seem to agree: he and his kind go for about 40 quid each on eBay.

Happily, this guy - who also features in those old Citadel catalogues - is still available from Ral Partha Europe:

[Elbows]

This mini, like most of the stuff that GW is now putting out, is no more suitable for 12 year olds than Kingdom of Death. It is aimed at a different market.

12 year olds go for zombicide and frostgrave... easy to paint and cheap.

I disagree a bit.  I know the kits are aimed at older, more competent modelers...but I think there will be no shortage of hilariously bad Magnus, Lord of Change etc. floating around in the 14-18 range of players.  40K enjoys one of the youngest gamer groups of any miniatures game I can think of (even if they're just buying up a box or two and not actively playing).  Just searching eBay almost daily for old 40K models...the pain...the misery.    I've never seen such poorly painted stuff. 

[Tactalvanic]

the pain...the misery.    I've never seen such poorly painted stuff. 

I say, you seem to have spelt "Pro" incorrectly 

That aside - like the new not very mini demon, will maybe one day get a cheap proly-painted one off ebay...

[Nord]

40K enjoys one of the youngest gamer groups of any miniatures game I can think of (even if they're just buying up a box or two and not actively playing).  Just searching eBay almost daily for old 40K models...the pain...the misery.    I've never seen such poorly painted stuff. 

Though they have an excuse if they are beginners! We all have to start somewhere, paint shaming is not cool.

[Charlie_]

I agree with all criticism that these big centrepiece models are too over the top in terms of details... and seem too delicate and difficult to transport......

But I think it works well in this case. It's a god damn Lord Of Change!

And yes, he is supposed to be the 'spindliest' greater daemon... but he's still a greater daemon! I'm sure the other three would still all beat him in an arm wrestle, but he should be able to destroy regular guys like you and me.

I like the more bestial head. Though the more 'human' old bird head (if that makes sense - it was less bestial and had more human character) still has its charm. I've heard it has multiple head options, so if one of them is less bestial then that will work nicely, giving you the option!

I don't think every Warhammer army needs a big over the top centrepiece model like this. But if there is one army it works well for, it's Chaos, and if there is one god who the over-detailed, spindl, look works for, it is Tzeentch.

[twrchtrwyth]

Though they have an excuse if they are beginners! We all have to start somewhere, paint shaming is not cool.

+1

[Elbows]

I'm quite sure all of the stuff on eBay is from old collections - a collection of peoples' first models (hence why they're selling them).  If I saw the stuff I painted in the 90's, I'd probably shudder.  I just look at GW's entire line of models now and I find almost nothing that makes a good model for young painters to cut their teeth on.  Maybe the starter push-fit marines, etc.  I think their range is out-pacing their entry market.

[nic-e]

"turn it up to 11? Why stop there, go to 13".

The new setting is a big mash up of all the heavy metal/michael moorcock/psychedelic fantasy aspects of the old world, so it makes sense for them to model this way.
And why not? Every game system has made it's universes off the back of tolkien and old folklore and while they certainly are great (my tolkien collection is insured. I kid you not.) this is a different world ,one that IS turned up to 13.

[FramFramson]

"Everything turned up to 13" sort of works for Chaos.

But only if you don't also do it for everyone else.

[Duncan McDane]

It's a kit, not a model, at least that's how I look at it. Lots and lots of parts, a monopose and only a few options for head/weapon changes. You cannot bend it, like you can with metals, in order to get a slightly different, more natural look/pose unless you start very heavy converting, cutting and modelling. Not something I greatly enjoy doing while putting together a 50/60+ parts plastic kit. But, as always, to each his own, there's no right or wrong in the hobby, and I admire people greatly who can actually make something really personal, lifelike and unique out of it but again, it's not my cup of tea...

[Dr Mathias]

I feel like there's a 'Neo Baroque' thing going on in GW miniatures (and in some other aspects of pop culture as well).

[Belligerentparrot]

I'm not going to buy one, but that Lord of Change is excellent - it is as though GW have finally worked out how to bring to life the idea behind the first LoC miniature.

(I say this as a die-hard Space Marine (2nd ed Epic) player. Greater daemons should be huuuuge).