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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: WillPhillips on August 01, 2023, 05:42:02 AM
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I started tinkering around with rules for the era a few years back after being dissatisfied with Warmaster, not that interested in Black Powder/Pike and Shotte, and being so-so with Impetus/Baroque. The plan was to move into a 6mm project for the idea, but that puttered out as I quickly found that 6mm wasn't quite to my liking.
The project lay dormant for a few years, but I've returned to it in recent months with a move up to 10mm scale. I'm finding I like it much more and am more apt to spend time painting than I was with 6mm.
Here's two recent units: a big blob of schwarze reiters (100x100mm) and a small skirmishing base of Irish gallowglass, kern, & shot (50x50mm).
(https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wp-content/uploads/10mm-log-23-07-30-ffdf-1022x1024.jpeg)
(https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wp-content/uploads/10mm-log-23-07-30-yellow-reiters-side-1-1024x1024.jpg)
(https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wp-content/uploads/10mm-log-23-07-30-gallowglas-side-1024x1024.jpg)
More photos can be found on my blog:
https://tabletop.willphillips.org/2023/07/10mm-reiters-and-irish-gallowglass-kerns/
As well as my history Instagram and Facebook pages:
https://www.instagram.com/rebelsorbeggars/
https://www.facebook.com/rebelsorbeggars
Will be posting updates here as the project churns along. While I look to revise the rules I was working on eventually, my goal right now is just getting units painted.
There's a lot of fiddly pikes to worry about for this (which I have yet to really feel confident in a solution for)!
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Very nice. Which manufacturer(s) do you use and did you settle on a set of rules for the period?
Thanks.
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Great stuff - always good to see another 10mm project
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Very nice. Which manufacturer(s) do you use and did you settle on a set of rules for the period?
Thanks.
Have been using a mix of old GW Warmaster and Pendraken, with a smattering of Forest Dragon 3D printed stuff.
As for rules, I think I'm still likely to spin up my own rules, as the way I'll be playing will be with other gamers who are not familiar with the time period or, for the most part, gaming in small scales like this.
It will very much be a lightweight, simple rule set, as to get the game going quickly in those conditions.
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This is one of my favorite periods of warfare. I'm actually painting up a batch for small engagements in "New Spain". I've got most of my 16th century Spanish colonials done and am now working through the protestant pirates. The buccaneer shot units are repurposed Irish shot.
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This is one of my favorite periods of warfare. I'm actually painting up a batch for small engagements in "New Spain". I've got most of my 16th century Spanish colonials done and am now working through the protestant pirates. The buccaneer shot units are repurposed Irish shot.
Very cool!
I had a chance to do the reenactment of Drake's Raid in St. Augustine, Florida earlier this spring. Was a lot of fun.
What rules will you be using?
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I'll be trying Irregular Wars. If you have any recommendations I'm all ears. I'm just a couple hours west of St. Augustine - do they put on the reenactment every year?
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Great minds (esp. if they're called Alexander...); I'm also in the middle of painting Drake's Panama raid forces; Cimaroons done, Jarajira Americans under the brush, Hugenots and English waiting patiently.
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I'll be trying Irregular Wars. If you have any recommendations I'm all ears.
Heard Irregular Wars is a lot of fun. Pikeman's Lament can work, too.
Was working on my own grid-based skirmish project for the era that fizzled out, but it may be of interest:
https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wargaming/15xx/
I'm just a couple hours west of St. Augustine - do they put on the reenactment every year?
I believe so, yes!
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Great minds (esp. if they're called Alexander...); I'm also in the middle of painting Drake's Panama raid forces; Cimaroons done, Jarajira Americans under the brush, Hugenots and English waiting patiently.
Very cool! What scale and rules do you have in mind for it?
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Have recent written a short tutorial on the fast-and-loose approach I'm taking to basing my small scale project.
In case anyone else is intimidated by it, here's what I've figured out as a fellow newcomer to the small stuff.
https://tabletop.willphillips.org/2023/08/easy-small-scale-basing-flocking-tutorial/
Using this newly finished 50x50mm base of Forlorn Hope as an example:
(https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wp-content/uploads/10mm-log-230803-07.jpeg)
(https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wp-content/uploads/10mm-log-230803-08.jpeg)
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Very cool! What scale and rules do you have in mind for it?
10 mm, with the Envy in support in 1:1200.
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Looking awesome! I like the variety of sculpts. It’s a shame pendraken doesn’t make more options for sword and buckler men - especially given their usage in the Italian wars.
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Lovely brushwork, a one day project for me
Cheers
Matt
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Privateer raid on San Miguel. Donna Lee, commanding the Spaniards, had no trouble beating my pirates senseless.
I am aware that the Jolly Roger on the Envy may be a few decades ahead of its time, and that it's only speculation that the Cimaroons might have built up a small stock of horses before the 70s (most of them are on foot with machetes, anyway, but Lee didn't photograph those).
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Privateer raid on San Miguel. Donna Lee, commanding the Spaniards, had no trouble beating my pirates senseless.
I am aware that the Jolly Roger on the Envy may be a few decades ahead of its time, and that it's only speculation that the Cimaroons might have built up a small stock of horses before the 70s (most of them are on foot with machetes, anyway, but Lee didn't photograph those).
Looking good! Can you take some more shots of the maroons? Also, did you base the English with the intention of using them as sea dogs?
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We'll do a rematch soon, and shall take more pix. The English could find themselves in support of Dutch rebels one of these days too, so they're pretty generic, and probably too uniform.
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You get very fine painting on a very small canvas.
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You're generous to me. The absence of those things one has no reason to do in the smaller scales, like eyes or shading, makes life much easier.
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Some Maroon foot made it into the pictures this time.
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And the dreaded war-dogs in action.
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Looking good. I like the use of the pirate figures they work well, will remember this for mine.
The English bill figures look a lot better painted up than I was expecting from the webstore photos.
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Check out their forum - there are some far more skilled brushes than mine at work there.
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very nice, I do love 10mm as a great gaming scale
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(Crossposted from my gaming blog: https://tabletop.willphillips.org/2024/04/10mm-pike-shot-militia-levy-and-irish-skirmishers/)
Emulating the battles of the pike and shot era has been something of a white whale. I’ve quickly gotten intimidated by – or otherwise disinterested in – the sheer scale of such an undertaking each time I’ve embarked on the idea.
First time in 6mm. Then in 10mm. I last worked on this project during the summer of 2023.
After I stalled out on a recent smaller-footprint, hex-based skirmish project in the era (not posted here – see my Rebels or Beggars Instagram), I’ve come back to this.
Last week’s project was to knock the dust and rust off. Here’s a 100x50mm pike & shot unit, same footprint militia levy, and a 50x50mm unit of Irish skirmishers. Mostly Pendraken with a smattering of old GW Warmaster figures and – for the militia – some Forest Dragon.
One of my longer term* interests is to bring a wargame of a battle from the Dutch Revolt or French Wars of Religion to an SCA event as something of an interactive class on warfare during the pike and shot” era of the 1500s and 1600s.
Lots of units remain to be based and painted, including three monster sized 100x100mm tercios. Oof.
That said, here are some photos. I remain a bad photographer.
(https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wp-content/uploads/10mm-log-24-04-22-HERO.jpg)
(https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wp-content/uploads/10mm-log-24-04-22-pike-shot.jpg)
(https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wp-content/uploads/10mm-log-24-04-22-militia.jpg)
(https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wp-content/uploads/10mm-log-24-04-22-irish.jpg)
Next up? Two 100x50mm bases of Stradioti and a small 50x50mm base of shot.
I'll be posting progress pics on my history-focused Instagram and Facebook pages named Rebels or Beggars:
https://www.instagram.com/rebelsorbeggars/
https://www.facebook.com/rebelsorbeggars
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Will, lovely looking models. Have you made any progress on the rules front? I'd hate to see you spend so much time and effort on your beautiful figyues and then fall at the "rules hurdle".
Regards
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Great looking figures, big bases of 10mm look awesome
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Gorgeous! They’ve got a very nice grimy look to them, really cool- love the flags as well :-*
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Will, lovely looking models. Have you made any progress on the rules front? I'd hate to see you spend so much time and effort on your beautiful figyues and then fall at the "rules hurdle".
Regards
Some progress, and my approach to this has evolved over the last few years.
I'm under no illusion that another pike-and-shot era ruleset will have any large appeal, so I won't be testing any kind of commercial release, nor will I be marketing them significantly.
I've now narrowed my goal with this (long term and in no real hurry) project and its rules.
I'd like to have two large-enough armies to take to game stores and, as a member of the quasi-reenacting organization, SCA events I attend to act as an interactive demonstration of how war in that time and place may have looked.
So the rules are going to be very, very simple. Maybe a step or two more complex than what's presented in One Hour Wargames.
That way, those without the interest in the era - or are new to wargames - won't be inundated with complex mechanics, math, or edge cases.
Simple unit stats (I think I can get away with a basic move range in S/M/L increments like SAGA), a combat strength stat, a simple ranged stat with distance, and a catch-all discipline/order stat.
No command stands. Zones of control get handled well enough with big stands and no interpenetration.
Activation and turn sequence inspired by Crossfire and the Lion Rampant-derived series.
But all that's of course subject to playtesting... which right now uses what I've got combined with cardstock proxy markers.
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Great looking figures, big bases of 10mm look awesome
Yeah, big bases was definitely the goal to give that impression of scale and mass.
Had I not had these leftover from the initial 6mm scale project (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=122480.msg1538507 (https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=122480.msg1538507)), I may have gone a smidge larger. But I'm happy enough with these.
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Gorgeous! They’ve got a very nice grimy look to them, really cool- love the flags as well :-*
Thanks! Lazy painting and a wash gets me as far as I'm interested as going at this scale.
The flags are my own design and are totally generic and ahistorical. Since I want to recreate a number of historic scenarios - as well as plain generic battles - I didn't want to tie myself to anything specific.
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Work continued on the late 1500s big battles project this weekend.
Slowly, but surely, but… slowly. Two bases of stradioti light horse and a single, small base of shot.
Frustratingly still having a – for lack of a better work – painterly effect with my Pixel 6’s camera. Looking into clip-on macro lenses that may resolve this issue.
With that said, apologies for the underwhelming photos!
https://tabletop.willphillips.org/2024/04/10mm-stradioti/
(https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wp-content/uploads/10mm-log-24-04-29-strat-together.jpg)
(https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wp-content/uploads/10mm-log-24-04-29-croats-front.jpg)
(https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wp-content/uploads/10mm-log-24-04-29-croats-rear.jpg)
(https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wp-content/uploads/10mm-log-24-04-29-hungarians-front.jpg)
(https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wp-content/uploads/10mm-log-24-04-29-hungarians-rear.jpg)
(https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wp-content/uploads/10mm-log-24-04-29-shot.jpg)
(https://tabletop.willphillips.org/wp-content/uploads/10mm-log-24-04-29-shot-rear.jpg)
https://tabletop.willphillips.org/2024/04/10mm-stradioti/
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Just discovered your topic, amazing figs and painting! A favorite period mine too. Nice work!
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Beautiful :-*
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Wonderful stuff; the painting, the basing and the labels are a very nice little package.
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Just discovered your topic, amazing figs and painting! A favorite period mine too. Nice work!
Lots of interesting things that can be represented on the battlefield at this time. One of the reasons I like it.
Beautiful :-*
Thank you!
Wonderful stuff; the painting, the basing and the labels are a very nice little package.
Thanks. Since I'll only be playing this project with folks who will be unfamiliar, generally, with the era and the armies - and since I'm working up to about 20 units per side - I figured it would be helpful to label the units as a number will be looking very similar to one another.
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My order of pikemen from Warprinter's Theatrum Europeum came in today.
(https://rebelsorbeggars.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/meme-10mm-fortune-teller-1.jpg)
If I’m to have any luck keeping momentum going with this large battles wargame project, then frustratedly cussing my way through affixing separate pikes to tiny 10mm scale figures isn’t the way forward. Pendraken’s cast-on pikes are too delicate to make that an option I’m interested in, either.
(https://rebelsorbeggars.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/10mm-log-24-04-30-table.jpg)
(https://rebelsorbeggars.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/10mm-log-24-04-30-tercio-b-1-1200x1200.jpeg)
https://www.instagram.com/p/C6ZPpW-RrOB/