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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: King Tiger on 08 March 2013, 01:22:35 PM
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http://www.warlordgames.com/32456/pre-order-armies-of-the-soviet-union/?utm_source=Warlord%20Games%20Newsletter&utm_campaign=e2939f57bd-Warlord_Games_Newsletter_08_March_2013&utm_medium=email
Liking the cover art, no complaints on that front...but what the hell is that...that thing you get with it?, THAT is the exclusive model?, are you serious?...somebody please tell me that is a joke, nobody would surely want that lump of disfigured, bland, poorly sculpted piece of junk?, it looks like a GW model.
Other than that looks like a nice book in a boring overall newsletter.
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You really dislike Warlord Games lol
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It's a flag. What you never made them out of lead wine bottle top covers?
There must be a strong wind blowing on the steppes.
I think my favourite flag I made was from some rusted wire fence material, cardboard and sellotape.
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You really dislike Warlord Games lol
Not at all, I just dislike really awful stupid models, and since GW and mantic make faaaar too many to post about warlord gets it instead, this one gets it though because its an awful sculpt, a boring sculpt, a silly model AND its fobbed off as exclusive because they know it would never otherwise sell.
But if I hated warlord I would not of brought Albion triumphant, which I like allot...just wish they would hurry up releasing one for the important campaigns.
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Well, it's not really my taste either.
I don't know why, but the last couple of years worth of new releases from Bolt Action just don't interest me. I find the figures to be caricatures, and very roughly sculpted by the original BAM standards. And don't get me started on the gurning faces and hyperactive poses either- they simply do not match the older ones in terms of style. The vehicles, on the other hand, are still excellent.
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I don't know why, but the last couple of years worth of new releases from Bolt Action just don't interest me. I find the figures to be caricatures, and very roughly sculpted by the original BAM standards. And don't get me started on the gurning faces and hyperactive poses either- they simply do not match the older ones in terms of style. The vehicles, on the other hand, are still excellent.
Yes.
He's gonna lose his hat in that wind if he doesn't watch out.
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And don't get me started on the gurning faces and hyperactive poses either.
It's Warlord's hyperactive prose that does it for me - 'Wham! Bam! Sexy Waffen SS! Yeah! Super, smashing great! Superlative adolescent hyperbole! Gotcha!'
...It's like reading The Sun crossed with Commando Comic out of White Dwarf...
Ghastly.
;)
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I hesitate to join in with what is starting out as a Warlord bash as, by and large, I like warlord, and I like Bolt Action- but what is wrong with their BA Japanese? Have they never seen a Japanese person? T Hey are all buck toothed and squinting through bottle-bottom glasses. It's an unpleasant, cartoonist stereotype, and I think it's verging on being racist.
If I was Japanese I think I might be offended by it.
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Oh well can't win them all I suppose. One of mine I enjoy doing the special figures for the books. On closer look the detail is there and up to my usual standard otherwise I would not send him out.
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w15/paulhicks1975/DSCF0006-7_zpsd7b50334.jpg)
This was taken before the flag was removed for easier casting and also smartened up. Thanks for the constructive criticism ;)
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Oh well can't win them all I suppose. One of mine I enjoy doing the special figures for the books. On closer look the detail is there and up to my usual standard otherwise I would not send him out.
The figure is ok, but the flag doesn't seem quite right.
Don't know why.
Maybe it's the ragged edge - I've not seen a photo of a Russian flag with a ragged edge like that.
From a reenactment perspective, carrying a flag that size in a breeze would probably need 2 hands to avoid trouble, but I'm not a muscular Russian.
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Gentlemen- my apologies for adding my voice to this thread earlier.
I've made no secret of the fact that I really dislike the newer Warlord-era additions to the sculpting of the original Bolt Action Miniatures. I find the sculpting to be rougher than the original figures, and the hyper-dynamic poses and gurning faces leave me cold. As each person has their own tastes, it is up to each of us to determine what they do or don't like. While I can't sculpt a figure to save my life, I appreciate the talent that goes into it. I also appreciate that no two sculptors have the same style, and that the new crew at Warlord wanted to put their own stamp on the ranges, but I do feel that they could have stayed loyal to the general style that Warlord had, and not gone totally comic-book action figure or cartoon-style.
Now that I've got that off my chest, feel free to rap me across the knuckles if I should happen to say anything about Warlord again.
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That's a great figure - what's everyone going on about? ;)
(Still hate Warlord's crass, shouty marketing though)
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That figures is way overpriced.Oh wait its a freebie.Nevermind. lol
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seriously, how can people who have lived in the hobby for the last 10 years NOT see that Warlord is GW in historical disguise?
Same people, same strategies.... The new Bolt Action rules...
Even if they are not formally linked (which I will only believe when they lay open the funding on the Kayman islands)
isn't it obvious what spirit blows through the streets of Nottingham? ;)
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I hesitate to join in with what is starting out as a Warlord bash as, by and large, I like warlord, and I like Bolt Action- but what is wrong with their BA Japanese? Have they never seen a Japanese person? T Hey are all buck toothed and squinting through bottle-bottom glasses. It's an unpleasant, cartoonist stereotype, and I think it's verging on being racist.
If I was Japanese I think I might be offended by it.
I'm British and offended by them, I admit they were allot worse than this.
I have little issue with the warlord plastics though, its just all the WWII metals that just have terrible unrealistic poses and the faces, the shouting, grunting and taking a large dump faces ruin it, yet the ECW metals are lovely models, they did great on those.
The model would of been better in a more dynamic pose, or perhaps on a more scenic base, a basic trooper (maybe even female to make it unique) running forward, both hands on the flag, calling urrah as she runs forwards.
Or posed on a fallen statue, one leg standing on hitlers face, waving flag on high.
Standing, pointing a pistol, straining to take a dump is just your typical GW model.
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Warlord Games, the new Games Workshop discuss...
Warlord Games, The service is excellent, the new(ish) rule set is pretty good, the army lists are nicely produced and the miniatures are of a generally reasonable standard. Yes the pricing is sometimes a bit on the rich side and yes the marketing is a bit 'shouty'.
Sounding familiar so far?
Ok, but at this point they part ways...the GW model is tad more cynical, customer attrition strategy is carefully crafted but broadly breaks down to this...young men with straggly beards come on to you like rabid scientologists the moment you walk into a GW shop and if you take your male offspring they smell blood...get 'em young bleed 'em white and when they discover girls/booze/cannabis 90% of 'em will drop off. The remaining 10% (or core customer base) that's left will have more money for expensive, top end GW and Forgeworld kit as they live in their mums basements until they're 50, and don't waste money on things like deodorants...hurrah and kerching another sale. Thankfully here comes the next generation of awkward pre-pubescent's ready to plague their Parents for the New Space Marine Ballbagicon power scrotum for their inquisitors...
WG have tried with the Nisei and Buffalo soldier ranges to open up new ideas and OK, they may get it wrong from time to time (Cartoon Japanese) and the same tedious expensive dice ploy as FoW but without the pretty boxes...but they do try. While I don't buy their minis anymore I do buy their rules.
For the record Paul's sculpt is excellent as is 99.9% of his output, in this particular case not for me as I don't do Russians, but I really liked the Skozeny mini and the Dennis On mini (freebies with army lists) shame I couldn't get hold of them.
As a further aside I'm interested in the hard on that King Tiger seems to have for WG (albeit a little passive aggressive)...Do tell young fella, but only if it's salacious or juicy...If it's boring don't bother...
God save all here and mines a double Brandy.
OG
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Warlord Games, the new Games Workshop discuss...
Warlord Games, The service is excellent, the new(ish) rule set is pretty good, the army lists are nicely produced and the miniatures are of a generally reasonable standard. Yes the pricing is sometimes a bit on the rich side and yes the marketing is a bit 'shouty'.
Sounding familiar so far?
Ok, but at this point they part ways...the GW model is tad more cynical, customer attrition strategy is carefully crafted but broadly breaks down to this...young men with straggly beards come on to you like rabid scientologists the moment you walk into a GW shop and if you take your male offspring they smell blood...get 'em young bleed 'em white and when they discover girls/booze/cannabis 90% of 'em will drop off. The remaining 10% (or core customer base) that's left will have more money for expensive, top end GW and Forgeworld kit as they live in their mums basements until they're 50, and don't waste money on things like deodorants...hurrah and kerching another sale. Thankfully here comes the next generation of awkward pre-pubescent's ready to plague their Parents for the New Space Marine Ballbagicon power scrotum for their inquisitors...
WG have tried with the Nisei and Buffalo soldier ranges to open up new ideas and OK, they may get it wrong from time to time (Cartoon Japanese) and the same tedious expensive dice ploy as FoW but without the pretty boxes...but they do try. While I don't buy their minis anymore I do buy their rules.
For the record Paul's sculpt is excellent as is 99.9% of his output, in this particular case not for me as I don't do Russians, but I really liked the Skozeny mini and the Dennis On mini (freebies with army lists) shame I couldn't get hold of them.
As a further aside I'm interested in the hard on that King Tiger seems to have for WG (albeit a little passive aggressive)...Do tell young fella, but only if it's salacious or juicy...If it's boring don't bother...
God save all here and mines a double Brandy.
OG
I still like some GW stuff, and I regularly shower and use deodorant, I live with my girlfriend and I shave my weeny neck beards off. ;)
For the record, I like that flag bearing figure. I always have a soft spot for such things.
That said, I dislike what Warlord have done with the Bolt Action range for all the reasons mentioned above. Cartoony, muppet faces, near-racist Japanese and what may not yet have been mentioned, the most ridiculously thin rifles ever seen. Looks like the ham fisted men are holding onto sticks.
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I regularly shower and use deodorant, I live with my girlfriend and I shave my weeny neck beards off. ;)
Excellent work that man... ;)
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Oh well can't win them all I suppose. One of mine I enjoy doing the special figures for the books. On closer look the detail is there and up to my usual standard otherwise I would not send him out.
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w15/paulhicks1975/DSCF0006-7_zpsd7b50334.jpg)
This was taken before the flag was removed for easier casting and also smartened up. Thanks for the constructive criticism ;)
Personally Paul i think it'd a great figure. Yes the flag blowing may be over exaggerated but we look for stuff to have an impact on a table do we not and this will do that. Some people need to remember that we are playing with toys and chill out.
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I like the figure too, the flag might be just a bit dramatic, but it is serving its purpose.
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Hello,
Just following this thread and firstly I've amended the title. Doesn't require further description in subject heading.
There is no need to go further in describing the distaste for a miniature in such away that you come across as showing a lack of maturity.
Cheers,
Helen
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I like the figure.
I haven't noticed WL sculpts being cartoony... but mainly I have the plastics WWII figures. I do have a couple of US metal support teams, and they seem fine. Well, and some of the ECW figures, which I also quite like.
-Michael
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This is the kind of thing I am talking about.
(http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/7420/wgbjire10rifleman.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/802/wgbjire10rifleman.jpg/)
It just looks too- cartoony. Not good at all.
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This is the kind of thing I am talking about.
(http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/7420/wgbjire10rifleman.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/802/wgbjire10rifleman.jpg/)
It just looks too- cartoony. Not good at all.
Yep I painted this fellow up for the WSS magazine painting Japanese tutorial and whilst I agree there is a certain character reflection I believe this is a matter of own personal taste.
After all you don't need to buy them.
Cheers,
Helen
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Ugh, bad memories of those racial stereotype models, horrible little things, at least plenty of alternatives exist...................oh wait.
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My respect for Paul Hicks just went through the roof.
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Im not going to buy the book because it would ne no use to me ,I like about 50% of the warlord stuff ,personally think that figures great , plus as some onespointed out its free ,maybe Im just awkward . ;)
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I'm interested in the hard on that King Tiger seems to have for WG
God save all here and mines a double Brandy.
Has "hard on" changed meaning since I was young?
If not I think I'll join you on the double brandy. Maybe a horse's neck since it's just after lunch.
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Don't need the book but would still gladly paint the figure! All those who dislike it feel free to send it along my way if you buy the book!
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Has "hard on" changed meaning since I was young?
Apparently so, strange that one, but if it now expresses a dislike for poorly sculpted WWII metal models and overpriced plastic tanks and artillery I have no idea what expression to use to commend the majority of the ECW range of models they do and the quality of rulebooks, so I guess I am forced into a position of not being able to do so due to the sudden and odd change in the English language.
I've already mentioned several times what I like about WG in the past, but it gets ignored so I don't bother :P
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I met the guys from warlord at the tactica. Nice guys. New GW, I dont think so. They bring a lot of stuff. I like it, but it is my opion. They seem to have success, but they worked for it. A company needs success to go on.
They figure for the Sovietbook is nice, but typical Paul Hicks. You like it or you hate it. Nothing inbetween. I like it. And the good think is, that you can also use it for RCW.
Every time a company in this hobby-business becomes bigger it will be compared to GW. This is not good for the hobby, I think.
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I have bought the German & US army books from Amazon!
I will buy the Russian one from Warlord as I want the exclusive figure!
Think it's great!
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Every time a company in this hobby-business becomes bigger it will be compared to GW. This is not good for the hobby, I think.
... and having become bigger has to operate like a business and not some guy knocking stuff out in his shed. However for some reason being successful is disliked by some as a knee-jerk reaction... I don't get it.
I used to get fed up of companies producing a few figures for a range, then dropping it when it didn't sell as well as they thought it would. With companies like Warlord, they push and hype their stuff and ensure each 'army' of figures is as complete as possible. I really don't see anything wrong with that. In fact it gives me some confidence that by the time I actually paint the figures I bought, which is usually a while, I can still get some more.
They don't always get it right and there are a few figures which make me cringe. Having said that, there are a few manufacturers out there, whose whole ranges makes me cringe, there's even one or two ranges which look like they were modelled on present day 'super-size me' re-enactors - and people rave about them.
I would never suggest that anyone buys something on its name alone, nor should anyone be afraid to speak out when something is sub-standard... and yes that Japanese figure is awful, the others largely not so.
I'm not a Warlord fan boy (or maybe I am... hard to tell), but as far as I've experienced, they are responsive to customer comments and forge links with other manufacturers for mutual benefit, rather than compete with them. That's hardly the GW way of doing things.
:)
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(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w15/paulhicks1975/DSCF0006-7_zpsd7b50334.jpg)
I'll get you Butler!!!!
Seriously though, I think it's quite a nice figure and I quite like the flag as well. Would Mr Hicks be interested in producing some 1960s Russians?
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He's done these cold war ones already...
http://newlinedesigns.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=481_487
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I know of those, 1970s/ 1980s Red Army. IIRC correctly he also did the Brigade Games Atomic Café ones too. What I'd really like would be some in the WW2 era uniform with AKs, RPG 2 etc. Classic Cold War for me is the 1960s.
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why not use Warlord Games/Bolt Action plastic Russians with Metal AK47- I know The Assault Group do metal AK47's, and I am sure other companies do too. It shouldn't be too hard to do. It also has the added advantage of not having the barrels break off, like the plastic BA guns do, because they are so thin.
http://www.warlordgames.com/store/bolt-action/soviet-army/soviet-infantry-plastic-box-set.html
£28 for 40
http://www.warlordgames.com/store/bolt-action/soviet-army/soviet-infantry-plastic-box-set.html
£4 for 10 or £16 for 40 (including P+P)
£28+£16= £44 for 40 1960's Russians - Simples :D
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For a number of reasons Rob, largely because I'm a bit anal about these things and because the Warlord Russians are a quaint mix of the pre-1943 gymnastiorka with the falling collar and chaps in the padded winter jacket, neither of which are especially useful for what I want. There's also the issue of having to replace all the personal equipment. Yes it could be done but I'm not sure I can be bothered.
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What I'd really like would be some in the WW2 era uniform with AKs, RPG 2 etc. Classic Cold War for me is the 1960s.
Hear! Hear! Let's be honest, the 1980s was just the 'Slightly Chilly War' in comparison to the 1960s. ;)
Loved the AC57 Soviets and some more serious versions of the same would find a home in my cupboard forces. :)
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Hear! Hear! Let's be honest, the 1980s was just the 'Slightly Chilly War' in comparison to the 1960s. ;)
Loved the AC57 Soviets and some more serious versions of the same would find a home in my cupboard forces. :)
try the eureka modern line, they are more 60 style...
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try the eureka modern line, they are more 60 style...
The Wombles are a bit limited in scope due to the NBC gear, but fine models... anyway we're drifting away from WW2 and into the special happy land I mentally dwell in, where you can buy just about anything you want in 28mm, for any period.
:)
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That's why I always recommend Irregular Miniatures. Truly universal miniatures, they could be anything you imagine them to be and you don't have to squint too hard to get the effect.
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I hesitate to join in with what is starting out as a Warlord bash as, by and large, I like warlord, and I like Bolt Action- but what is wrong with their BA Japanese? Have they never seen a Japanese person? T Hey are all buck toothed and squinting through bottle-bottom glasses. It's an unpleasant, cartoonist stereotype, and I think it's verging on being racist.
If I was Japanese I think I might be offended by it.
Really? I guess I should really pissed because nearly every mad scientist in a movie or miniature game is a German? Dam I hope the pigmies in Africa never see those Pax Limpopo figures from Eureka!
Now god forbid we bring Political Correctness in to this hobby because that will be the death of it! Soon we will have the "Zombie Anti-Defamation League" accusing us of bias because the zombies lose over 50% of the time, or the Arabs getting pissed that the "Harem Girls" in your game are shamefully dressed! Some people like their figures to have that over stated "character" look and good on them. This is playing with toy soldiers and lets not take it so serious. Anybody that is offened by the look of a figure is wound way to tight to be playing games were War and Death provide the meat and potatos for many of the scenarios we play, hardly politicaly correct to begin with. lol
Figures are subjective to the person buying them, you buy them because they have the look YOU want. It may not be the other fellows cup of tea, you hear it all the tme in the smaller scales, 10,15, 20mm, where some sculpters exagerte the head, or uniform parts to make painting easier and things stand out, others make their figures very animated, others are sticklers for excat measurements.....buy what pleases YOU!
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Please, we don't use the 'Z' word on this forum... they are Partially Deceased. ::)
;)
But yes, I hear you... so it's okay to want a platoon of Mericans who look like this guy?
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-p6-2XKU4dyo/UUdT_HCV94I/AAAAAAAANiA/xyDPYnHCvlI/s607/hokefestwy0.jpg)
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oh please don't start this.....
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Funny, I thought the late John Candy was Canadian.
I'd be more concerned about Sturmbannfuhrer Randy Pinhead from Muncie, Indiana in the background. Postal service technician Monday to Friday, member of the elite EinKrappsgruppen of a weekend
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oh please don't start this.....
No, you're right I shouldn't and I'm going to leave it there. I'll take the advice though and just stick to buying figures which don't perpetuate stereotypes of any sort.
I like the Commissar figure and I can't believe I didn't comment on it previously. ::)