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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Vermis on 14 May 2013, 03:29:13 PM
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Well, not plastics just yet. For your perusal:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/6mm-scale-armies (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/6mm-scale-armies)
(http://d2oadd98wnjs7n.cloudfront.net/medias/807971/primary_pictures/full/20130513135409-sprue.jpg?1368478453)
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Interesting! My suggestion would be to ditch the bases though and concentrate on getting more infantry and vehicles on the sprues though. They are also a bit similar to imperial guard with chimeras and orks with battle wagons too...
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Seconded. More akin the old Epic sprues.
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Just a technical question: is there an extra cost to make each model different? Ok, beside the sculpting cost (which is not that high honestly)
I mean, i understand that each sprue has to be identical to the others, since the single mould is really expensive. But as long as one mould is one piece of metal, why should it be cheaper with all the figures in the same pose? Expecially when the figures are really small, and modifying them is cheap and fast.
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All questions and issues I thought of myself. :) Answered in the forum link down the indiegogo page.
Lots of people have wondered about the bases on the planned sprue. From what I've been told, this sprue is designed to contain all someone (or sometwos) might need to build two (pretty) basic opposing forces, at or about the lowest cost possible. Including seperate bases would be an extra expense, but IIRC that's one of the stretch goals that would see changes to this initial, basic sprue.
Ditto with the poses. I'd guess the remodelling of the basic trooper is a relatively low (but not insignificant!) cost, and yeah, it all goes into one mould; but I asked this myself, and I was told the extra expense of extra poses was in setting the cutting machine to cut said extra poses from digital files.
The cost to do this for each pose? I nearly fell out of my seat: £600. Before kickstarter fees, paypal fees, manufacturing, delivery, etc.
(I wonder if that applies to ye olde method of 3-ups and pantograph cutting? Should've asked that too.)
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Argh, hit 'quote' when I meant 'modify'.
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Interesting! My suggestion would be to ditch the bases though and concentrate on getting more infantry and vehicles on the sprues though. They are also a bit similar to imperial guard with chimeras and orks with battle wagons too...
I agree, skip the bases and add more models. Bases are easy and cheap to get from other sources.
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I was told the extra expense of extra poses was in setting the cutting machine to cut said extra poses from digital files.
The cost to do this for each pose? I nearly fell out of my seat: £600.
Hum. that looks crazy. O.O
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While I have zero interest in it (though reasonable 6mm plastics for modern wargaming would be intriguing) they do remind of the old Epic, in a good way. About 20 years ago, EPIC was actually a pretty cool, fun game. I think they really slaughtered it with the re-release some years later.
Shame.
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While I have zero interest in it (though reasonable 6mm plastics for modern wargaming would be intriguing) they do remind of the old Epic, in a good way. About 20 years ago, EPIC was actually a pretty cool, fun game. I think they really slaughtered it with the re-release some years later.
Shame.
you said that, 20 years ago. Those minis look 20 years old already. If they can't afford a higher quality level of minis, maybe they should change their plans. Personally i don't see why i should need "counters" instead of minis, when Dark Realm games have such a great abundance of models: http://www.darkrealmminiatures.com/
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Wow, there is more plastic in the sprue than the product there.
No thanks....
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you said that, 20 years ago. Those minis look 20 years old already. If they can't afford a higher quality level of minis, maybe they should change their plans. Personally i don't see why i should need "counters" instead of minis, when Dark Realm games have such a great abundance of models: http://www.darkrealmminiatures.com/
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I'm not going to argue with you if you dislike the quality of these renders; that's your choice, and I don't think they're just perfect myself. But I bought a bunch of DRM minis when they first appeared on the scene, and I honestly wouldn't say those early rush jobs are a huge improvement on these.
Pics of the first stretch goal are up in the gallery - splitting off the bases to another sprue and pushing more infantry and a couple more vehicles on the first.
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/6mm-scale-armies?c=gallery
http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewtopic.php?p=475919#p475919
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I agree, skip the bases and add more models. Bases are easy and cheap to get from other sources.
Please! I use Litko for all my basing needs from 3 mm to "giant" superheroes.
Just my dos centavos.
Gracias,
Glenn
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Well, not plastics just yet. For your perusal:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/6mm-scale-armies (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/6mm-scale-armies)
(http://d2oadd98wnjs7n.cloudfront.net/medias/807971/primary_pictures/full/20130513135409-sprue.jpg?1368478453)
I have given this some thought and decided "no" because the "humanoid aliens" just don't cut it for me.
I will await something that catches my interest more and the pocketbook will follow.
Gracias,
Glenn
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They're interesting. I like the old Epic feel they have even to the point of forgiving the old epic quality they look to have, but the only 6mm gaming I do anymore is Battletech (at least until Robotech hits) and I've never felt the need to field anything in Battletech that isn't a big stompy robot.
The new sprues are definitely an improvement, but I think a few more poses are gonna be necessary before many people consider this. After all, you can still get the Epic figs and the plastic infantry are actually pretty reasonably priced. The metals are ridiculous, and the vehicle prices are a joke, but the Epic plastics are a good deal. Or were, I hear GW is ditching all specialist games. Still, I hope these guys get started and it does well for them, more figures on the market is never ever a bad thing.
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I'm not going to argue with you if you dislike the quality of these renders; that's your choice, and I don't think they're just perfect myself. But I bought a bunch of DRM minis when they first appeared on the scene, and I honestly wouldn't say those early rush jobs are a huge improvement on these.
Pics of the first stretch goal are up in the gallery - splitting off the bases to another sprue and pushing more infantry and a couple more vehicles on the first.
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/6mm-scale-armies?c=gallery
http://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd/viewtopic.php?p=475919#p475919
actually i'm more talking about the variety than the quality, and honestly i've never seen the DRM in flesh.
But what makes the different now are the poses: otherwise they're no better than tokens, IMHO! :-\
That said, i hope they will reach their goal, but probably plastic is a matter for bigger companies. :-\
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<snip> otherwise they're no better than tokens, IMHO! :-\
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Heresy alert!
Aren't all miniatures, other than 1:1 ratio skirmish and skirmish like, just tokens? Even then I supposed they can be seen as tokens. Very 3D, paintable (usually,) detailed tokens but really just tokens? ::)
Still the lack of variety is an issue.
Gracias,
Glenn
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... probably plastic is a matter for bigger companies. :-\
Are you saying that because of the start-up, mold costs?
Gracias,
Glenn
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I rather like them.
Now that GW has finally pulled the plug on Specialist Games these will come in handy for people who still like a game of Epic.
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While I have zero interest in it (though reasonable 6mm plastics for modern wargaming would be intriguing) they do remind of the old Epic, in a good way. About 20 years ago, EPIC was actually a pretty cool, fun game. I think they really slaughtered it with the re-release some years later.
Shame.
You should try Epic Armageddon (4th edition, Epic 40k, that you have disliked, was the 3rd one), it's a very good game.
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Heresy alert!
Aren't all miniatures, other than 1:1 ratio skirmish and skirmish like, just tokens? Even then I supposed they can be seen as tokens. Very 3D, paintable (usually,) detailed tokens but really just tokens? ::)
i tend to avoid any doubles in the same tabletop, because a miniature represents an individual model. It means that it points to a single individual, unity or group. When all the miniatures have the same look, you're just using them to count the units numerically. That's the difference.
Are you saying that because of the start-up, mold costs?
plastic has a critical startup cost, and a very low production cost. If you are sure that you will sell 10000 pieces, you can invest, say, 10000 euros in molding, and subdivide in 10000 kits, 1 euro per piece. If you save 5-6 euros per kit using plastic instead of metal, that is a great business.
For a small company it doesn't work, thus the quality has to be lower, as shown in this example.
A good solution was found by Studio Miniatures: they invested a little money in a very small mold: only 4 figures with a decent amount of hands-heads, but with a high quality. Enough to have a little horde, even though i'd never buy 60 of them, because of the similarity.
Still, that business model has a potential, since you're rescaling the whole process. Making a big mold with all the minis identical isn't a good solution, IMHO.
I'm not a company, but i'm pretty good in math, so in my thoughts there might be some leaks. :D
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The new sprues are definitely an improvement, but I think a few more poses are gonna be necessary before many people consider this. After all, you can still get the Epic figs and the plastic infantry are actually pretty reasonably priced. The metals are ridiculous, and the vehicle prices are a joke, but the Epic plastics are a good deal. Or were, I hear GW is ditching all specialist games. Still, I hope these guys get started and it does well for them, more figures on the market is never ever a bad thing.
You've got a point. The original idea, long before this crowdfunder, was for a sprueful of tanks - WW1-style battle tanks, Bradley-style IFVs, etc. Kinda wish he'd stuck with that, but que sera, sera. I should've read and posted on the taccom forums more regularly at that time...
Point about the variety too. I'm not fond of the 'it's just a counter' mentality either, and I like my minis look good as well-sculpted 'figurines' too. However, for me, some aspects get less important when you get down to about 6-10mm scale. One of those is variety: I wish there was a bit more in those old epic plastics, which are hardly hordes of freewheeling individuals! But I didn't mind it so much when I tried to put SM and ork armies together. And looking at my BoFA placcy elves, there's not a whole lot of of immediately-apparent variety when you step back and look at seven spearmen crammed together on a strip - let alone the strips on a base, or in a unit, or in the whole army. ;)
(Detail is another aspect. I don't mind a loss of detail as long at the sculpting of what remains is neat and defined. That's what eventually turned me off Bob Naismith's sculpts for DRM and Exodus Wars; partly why I'm interested to see if small-biz small-scale plastics are viable and can be funded; and partly why I think GW's Warmaster range is rarely matched or bettered. [Love their 10mm high elves and BoFA plastics, at least])
Anyway, I get the concerns, for what it's worth; but like I said, if the feedback is accurate, it's going to push the the cost of the mould up. Maybe the crowdfunder should've started with that higher cost as the initial goal, I dunno. Would it have looked more achievable and inviting with a couple of extra poses and an extra grand or more on the asking price?
Does the uncertainty of SG miniatures' future make it look any more desirable, too? :D That whole palaver lit a 6mm fire under me too, and put a few ideas in my head (involving variety, too ;) ); but I thought I'd hold off to see how this Indiegogo project went.
Though who am I kidding? It'd take me 45 weeks to get round to it, never mind 45 days. ;D
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Hey chaps!
Anyway, I get the concerns, for what it's worth; but like I said, if the feedback is accurate, it's going to push the the cost of the mould up. Maybe the crowdfunder should've started with that higher cost as the initial goal, I dunno. Would it have looked more achievable and inviting with a couple of extra poses and an extra grand or more on the asking price?
This was our primary concern: Do we pitch in with a fully featured sprue to start with and a £6000 funding target, or do we pitch a basic sprue and try and snowball the whole thing as the campaign goes on?
We went with the latter, obviously, because we're pessimistic types***, but we hope to achieve everything people here are asking for. More models on the sprue for no extra purchase cost, more poses, more model types, etc... Every stretch goal we hit will upgrade everybody's pledge to make it better.
And if we don't achieve all our goals, then people will still get some nice new toy soldiers (assuming we reach our basic funding target).
***Albeit not too pessimistic, we've put several thousand pounds of our own funding in behind the scenes too, in order to get the basics paid for.
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And if we don't achieve all our goals, then people will still get some nice new toy soldiers (assuming we reach our funding target).
I'm sure you will - even though it is not my piece of cake, many people here are attracted by old style miniatures, and will happily buy them! ^_^
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We're also currently looking into the possibility of getting the milling machine to simply mirror the basic alien pose left-to-right for half of the imprints (there's no reason they have to be left handed) for a negligible cost, which would add a bit of variety to the visuals.
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another possibility is to make the alien two pieced: the arm with the weapon could be glued in various position, and maybe adding another weapon will be still cheaper than adding a whole new model!
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you said that, 20 years ago. Those minis look 20 years old already. If they can't afford a higher quality level of minis, maybe they should change their plans. Personally i don't see why i should need "counters" instead of minis, when Dark Realm games have such a great abundance of models: http://www.darkrealmminiatures.com/
Yeah those guys have some great stuff, met them at salute, nice people too. Keep meaning to pick up a few of their spaceships and 6mm stuff.
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Yeah those guys have some great stuff, met them at salute, nice people too. Keep meaning to pick up a few of their spaceships and 6mm stuff.
A lot of DRM's later releases were sculpted by us after they stopped using Bob N., funnily enough.
The more limited poses in this project compared to our DRM/EW/UW 6mm work is all down to the funding required to add extra features to the sprue. The more funding we get, the better a quality of product we can deliver for everyone (all contributions are being put back into improving the sprue, we intend to take no profit out of this funding campaign itself so as to get the most bang for everybody's buck).
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A lot of DRM's later releases were sculpted by us after they stopped using Bob N., funnily enough.
The more limited poses in this project compared to our DRM/EW/UW 6mm work is all down to the funding required to add extra features to the sprue. The more funding we get, the better a quality of product we can deliver for everyone (all contributions are being put back into improving the sprue, we intend to take no profit out of this funding campaign itself so as to get the most bang for everybody's buck).
Oh I don't doubt it! Just wanted to chip in with some praise for peeps :)
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I'd also recommend checking out the Age of Tyrants upcoming range if what you're after is more poses - that's some of our most recent freelance stuff.
https://www.facebook.com/AgeofTyrants
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another possibility is to make the alien two pieced: the arm with the weapon could be glued in various position, and maybe adding another weapon will be still cheaper than adding a whole new model!
I'd note you're talking about an arm that's about 1mm wide there! :-)
As it's plastic, converting the models with a quick cut + re-glue at a new angle should be very simple to achieve.
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(I wonder if that applies to ye olde method of 3-ups and pantograph cutting? Should've asked that too.)
I have an old quote to do a similar kind of sprue the traditional way (actually it may have had less on it, from memory) from Renedra a few years ago - A smooth £20k before VAT.
Direct CAD cutting has brought the cost down a bit, but we're still talking thousands.
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I hope nobody else has brought this up already..... but
I noticed a sort of problem, there are 2 groups of 14 models for each faction, but the bases have 5 holes each, probably not a big issue in the scheme of things but would an extra figure for each faction prevent the annoyance of not being able to fill whole bases etc.
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I hope nobody else has brought this up already..... but
I noticed a sort of problem, there are 2 groups of 14 models for each faction, but the bases have 5 holes each, probably not a big issue in the scheme of things but would an extra figure for each faction prevent the annoyance of not being able to fill whole bases etc.
Here's my reply on that exact topic from TGN's newsfeed an hour ago:
Hey Haibane!
On the spare bases on the basic sprue, our idea is that we’ll be providing metal command figures if we don’t hit the first stretch goal (£3500), so people will need spare bases.
At £3500 we’ll have a separate sprue of bases (as well as twice as many tanks and troops on the armies sprue, giving 20% more models per box for no extra cost), so supplying extra bases in the box isn’t needed anymore. See the gallery page for what those sprues would look like.
Hope that makes sense. :-)
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I have an old quote to do a similar kind of sprue the traditional way (actually it may have had less on it, from memory) from Renedra a few years ago - A smooth £20k before VAT.
I think my 10mm plastic daydreams just guffed out my left ear.
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I think my 10mm plastic daydreams just guffed out my left ear.
Heh. This stuff is definitely still expensive, especially for the traditional sculpting method.
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Random news updates on our campaign:
- We've hit 75% funding on the way to our initial goal, which means we're that much closer to getting extra poses, more figures on the sprue, etc.
- The factory has confirmed that they can switch the injection feeds during the casting process, so we'll be able to cast one side in one colour, and the other side in a different colour. Which is useless, but awesome.
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Yay!
We hit our funding goal and are well on our way to stretch goal #1 (The advanced sprue that gives everyone who's already pledged 20% more models for no extra cost).
We've got some previews of the stretch goals available on the gallery page now too.
Cheers!
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/6mm-scale-armies
(http://d2oadd98wnjs7n.cloudfront.net/medias/826675/pictures/full/20130523054711-lank_copy.jpg?1369313235)
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Nice going! I haven't backed it yet... but that means I can bump it just a wee bit towards £3500.
And those lancastrian bombers look nice, but put the churchillian stretch goal in before them, willya? :-*
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And those lancastrian bombers look nice, but put the churchillian stretch goal in before them, willya?
The current public opinion seems to be asking me to hold off on them until we hit £3500 (so the 20% increase in models is guaranteed for everyone), rather than pushing the Advanced Sprue goal back a bit to account for the moulding costs of the metal vehicles...
...so unless pledges drop off in the next few days, I'm planning to unlock them for purchase when we hit £3500, basically. Their investment cost will have been paid off by the time we hit £4200 or so (off the top of my head, not done the break even calculation yet), and then we can look to implementing some more stretch goals that upgrade the plastics for everybody, I think.
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I'm oh so very nearly sold on this! But I want to see a little more on offer, Love a bit of variety I do.
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I'm oh so very nearly sold on this! But I want to see a little more on offer, Love a bit of variety I do.
I'll see what I can do to tempt you further - it'd be awesome to have you in on it. :)
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First stretch goal just achieved at time of writing. Looks like the bases will be seperated.
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/6mm-scale-armies
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Yup, bases will now be separate, and that means that we can afford to put in 20% more models into each box for no increase in price.
Here's the full text of our last update:
We’ve made it to £3500, the Advanced Sprue is Funded!
But in practical terms, what does that mean?!
Well for starters, it means everyone who’s pledged for Plastic Armies Boxes is now going to be receiving 20% more models, for free!
In addition, we’ve been able to open up four new pre-orders:
- Plastic Bases Sprues
- Churchillian Tanks
- Black Prince Tanks
- Alien Biker Gangs (they come with plastic bases)
We’ve also opened a new Perk type for the Alien Slaves (now named “Gobblers” after a fan bought the “Name The Slaves!” Perk) that includes the new plastic bases sprue.
As we take orders for the stretch goals, we’ll be able to put in some of the profits we make on them back into improving the plastic sprue. So once again, the more pre-orders we get, the better the plastic sprue will become!
We want to be able to offer extra troop types, like heavy weapons troopers, leaders, etc. on the plastic sprue, and whether you pre-order the Plastic Armies Box or Metal Stretch Goals, every purchase at this stage will help build towards that primary goal.
Thanks for your astounding continued support everyone!
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New stuff!
(http://d2oadd98wnjs7n.cloudfront.net/medias/847362/pictures/full/20130603035835-alien_AA_gun.jpg?1370257117)
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£22 gets you 8x AA vehicles, plus 22x bases of plastic infantry. Cool huh?
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From the latest Campaign Update:
INCOMING!
Here comes our biggest campaign update to date!
First of all, we’d just like to say thankyou for your continued support, without your financial backing this project would have failed at the first hurdle, and for that vote of confidence we can only be grateful.
Well, I suppose we could send you some toy soldiers, too…
Speaking of toy soldiers, here are our latest Product Additions, all of which are now available as Pledges:
Product Addition: Lancastrian Medium Bomber
They have a length of 7.3cm, and a wingspan of 9.1cm.
Product Addition: Beast Class Superheavy Mobile Bastion
They have a length of 6.1cm, and come with multiple configuration options of Transport, Laser Cannon, and Macro-Howitzer.
Product Addition: Heavy Guns Set
This set will contain two Infantry and IFV plastic sprues, 22x plastic bases, four Braveheart Artillery upgrades, two Alien Laser Cannons, and two Alien Macro-Howitzers.
All in all, a huge update, I think you’d have to agree!
As a final little tidbit, we’ve attached concept art for the “Ultimate” version of the Alien half of the plastic sprue. If we get enough funding, we’d like to add the extra sculpts and poses that can be seen on this sample sprue layout… indeed, we could think up a few more sculpt types we’d like to add too!
As ever, the final variety of figures found on the plastic Infantry & Vehicles sprue will be dependent on the level of funding we receive in this crowdfunding campaign.
Thanks for your time, your consideration, and your continued support.
- The Team @ Troublemaker Games
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2x Lancastrians for £18
(http://d2oadd98wnjs7n.cloudfront.net/medias/856701/pictures/full/20130607082639-The_Lancastrian_2.jpg)
2x Beast Class Superheavies for £16 (includes one of each superheavy weapon type)
(http://d2oadd98wnjs7n.cloudfront.net/medias/856774/pictures/full/20130607085221-beastc.jpg)
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4x Braveheart artillery, 2x Laser Cannon Flatbeds, 2x Macro-Howitzer Flatbeds, and 22x bases of plastic infantry, for £22
(http://d2oadd98wnjs7n.cloudfront.net/medias/857226/pictures/full/20130607124309-arty_copy.jpg)
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Interesting stuff but the beast tank thingy would look better if the gun was mounted in the rear rather than just stuck on top of the cab...
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Interesting stuff but the beast tank thingy would look better if the gun was mounted in the rear rather than just stuck on top of the cab...
Its been designed to be quite easy to do exactly that - you just use the hatchways that are used to make the "Transport" version of the Beast to add to the top of the cab, and mount the heavy cannon in the flatbed section instead. :)
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New update today: Now you can pre-order for just the faction you want - we'll go in and cut up the sprues for you before posting them out so you receive only the Humans or the Aliens, according to your preference.
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Are there plans for other aircraft to be added to the range, both human and alien? I would like to bulk out my 6mm aircraft collection for those factions.
Im going to pledge for a pair of Lancastrians I think.
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There are, either as stretch goals in the final week, or later on as a more conventional release - it depends on the funding we raise (the more we raise, the more we get to release)... Thanks for the support!
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From the latest Campaign Update:
Hello everyone!
And so the final week begins.
The last month has amazed us at every step, we are incredibly grateful for all the incredible financial support we’ve received so far.
We’re currently dedicating all the funds we can from new pre-orders towards improving the plastic sprue (adding extra poses & sculpts), but that doesn’t mean we can’t offer a cool bonus stretch goal in the final week…
So, without further prevarication, hesitation, delaying, pontificating, mis-direction, concealment, waffle (etc)…
If we hit £8000, every pledge of £45 or more will receive one free infantry & IFVs plastic sprue, and every pledge of £90 more more will receive two free plastic infantry & IFVs sprues.
Thankyou for your continued support!
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FREE STUFF, WOOP!
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/6mm-scale-armies (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/6mm-scale-armies)
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Based on feedback, we've introduced a new pledge for the last few days - a sample pledge that just nets you a single plastic infantry & IFV's sprue.
Thanks for your attention and feedback everyone!
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From our latest campaign update:
Holy wow!
We made it to £8000!
Can we (dare we say it) get to “Over 9000”?!
If we pass £9000, we’re prepared to DOUBLE our £8000 stretch rewards, so everyone who has pledged £45 or more will receive TWO free Infantry & IFV’s plastic sprues, and everyone who has pledged £90 or more will receive FOUR free plastic infantry & IFV’s sprues.
And if not, well, we’re still overwhelmed by the incredible support we’ve received.
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From the campaign :
35 Hours To Go!
The £9000 stretch goal point is nearly within reach, it’s so close that we can almost taste the free plastic sprues for contributors who’ve pledged £45 or more… so what happens when you go “over 9000”?
Well, if we pass £9000 and end up hitting the mighty £10,000, we’ll give a free metal Human Supreme Commander and a free metal Alien Supreme Commander to every pledger who’s contributed £50 or more.
We love you guys; This funding campaign has been amazing.
Here’s to the next 35 hours!
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With £9k smashed and £10k possibly within reach, we have an £11k stretch goal freebie prepared, just in case....
I wonder what it could be?
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First metal release from this campaign now available to purchase, the 9.5cm wingspan Lancastrian Bomber:
(http://www.troublemakergames.co.uk/lanc1.jpg)
http://www.troublemakergames.co.uk/webstore_DiD_LB.htm